Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[RootsRadical]

Said I'd give him until Xmas so here we are.
I went yesterday and witnessed the worst performance I can remember for a while.
Bizarre line up & tactics, no basic organisation, no fight, no energy, just a shambles.

My choice would be Frank at Brentford, they buzz (excuse the pun) around opponents and do not give them time & space, high energy, relentless pressing, speedy direct counter attacks, they have no respect for the "big clubs" which is the way forward for clubs like us.
Would also get our fans onboard seeing effort from the players and would improve the atmosphere which has reached a point of unbothered resignation.
High line tippy tappy playing out from the back is fine if you are a massive club with the best players.
Most of our players are totally unsuited to this style and the Premier league per se.

Frank would need to be allowed to shape his squad to suit but may get more of a tune out of some of our players.
Can't see the dwarf paying out for a manager though so my guess is we are fucked and in decline.


 

[scott_d]

Not defending Lop, he's been poor.  But let's not forget the team he inherited from Moyes was in rapid decline and in relegation form.

In Moyes final 19 games we accumulated 19 points (W4 D7 L8) and -17 GD
In Loppy's first 19 games, we accumulated 23 points (W6 D5 L8) and -14 GD

A less than remarkable improvement and certainly expected much better than this.  

But sometimes a little perspective is important.

Not least for anyone who is genuinely suggesting bringing back Moyes.




 

 

Yes, Moyes team and (very small) squad was in decline based on its optimum performance. But it still wasn't a bad team and squad. Lope had a whole window to get players in to strengthen and fill holes, yet we look just as bad now as we did under Moyes towards the end of his time. 

Yes, they are both pretty tragic records, but Moyes was on his way and knew he had lost the players. They weren't going to die for him anymore. His mis-management of the squad and suicidal tactics had taken their toll. What's Lope's excuse?

I think you do raise a valid point. But looking at the confused and insepid performances under Lope, with literally no sense of improvement, I am staggered he is still here. 

Not arguing with that Russ.  It's been far from ideal start from Lop and for me, the of lack of any optimism because it looks like he still doesn't know what his best team and formation is.  Obviously that might change per game and we can see that he's trying to play it out from the back, improving out posession stats etc but the team still don't look like they are playing as a team.

Expect he has some time to prove himself but there is allot of work to do and some of it you'd expect him to have addressed by now.

[Russ of the BML]

Apparently according to Talkshit, Flop has to win the cup game against Villa otherwise Potter is in the wings?

making a FA cup game away from home "win or get sacked" is fucking mental. But then nothing surprises me with the way this club is run.

I can't see that. Sullivan doesn't give two shits about the FA Cup so why make that a must win. Sullivan would rather come 17th in the PL than win the FA Cup. 

[Iron Duke]

I wouldn’t be against him going now. We’ve shown nothing to suggest we have a plan or a style of football. If Potter has agreed to a six month contract then I suppose we could see how it goes. It all seems so tentative. Like every decision we make is by committee and no one can agree on anything. There doesn’t seem to be any medium or long term vision at the club and we have no identity. We should be looking to give young players a chance, and unearthing gems. Instead, we keep giving contracts to overrated players with big egos and high wages.

There are a few managers I wouldn’t mind us going for in the summer - McKenna, Silva, Carrick are a few that spring to mind. But I don’t think it really matters because they will just go for a boring appointment of a so called established name. We will never take a chance and be ahead of the curve with our current ownership.

[Russ of the BML]

Not defending Lop, he's been poor.  But let's not forget the team he inherited from Moyes was in rapid decline and in relegation form.

In Moyes final 19 games we accumulated 19 points (W4 D7 L8) and -17 GD
In Loppy's first 19 games, we accumulated 23 points (W6 D5 L8) and -14 GD

A less than remarkable improvement and certainly expected much better than this.  

But sometimes a little perspective is important.

Not least for anyone who is genuinely suggesting bringing back Moyes.



 

 

 

Yes, Moyes team and (very small) squad was in decline based on its optimum performance. But it still wasn't a bad team and squad. Lope had a whole window to get players in to strengthen and fill holes, yet we look just as bad now as we did under Moyes towards the end of his time. 

Yes, they are both pretty tragic records, but Moyes was on his way and knew he had lost the players. They weren't going to die for him anymore. His mis-management of the squad and suicidal tactics had taken their toll. What's Lope's excuse?

I think you do raise a valid point. But looking at the confused and insepid performances under Lope, with literally no sense of improvement, I am staggered he is still here. 

[Massive Attack]

Not defending Lop, he's been poor.  But let's not forget the team he inherited from Moyes was in rapid decline and in relegation form.



 

 

 

Very true and why I never thought just the 9 new signings in the summer would be enough to weed out all the deadwood and wrongens. And the fact we needed 9 new summer signings to begin with tells you how much work has been needed to address an aged, injury prone and more quality needed. There's also a lot more work that needs doing regardless of who is manager. 

Ings, Mavropanos, Areola, Cresswell, Paqueta, Coufal, Antonio (although could now naturally change unless we offer a new 6 year contract), Fabianski (probably gone in the summer touching 40)

And we've still got Zouma, Cornet, Aguerd still on our books looking to shift on big money. Aguerd I'd actually put back in th3 squad but looks like leaving now. 

That's another 11 players that will soon need replacing and many of them sitting on an absolute fortune in wages draining us for little return. 

In some respects it's similar with the big surgical work Man Utds Squad needs doing with too many on big wages producing little and it's impossible to achieve it all in 2 windows, let alone 1.

Most West Ham fans choice once it looked serious we were in for Amorim was for him to be our No. 1 target, only for Sullivan to royally fuck it all up. Now even he is getting justified pelters for a shocking run of form for Man Utd but when you look deeper in to what he's had to deal with, you can see why they are a mess. People expected him to just rock up turn their fortunes around and play much better than before and yet he's breaking unwanted managerial records for getting off to a bad start at Man Utd. Is everyone seriously suggesting Amorims a fraud or is there a lot more to it than just flicking a switch and turning it on all of a sudden? No of course he ain't.

This goes beyond any manager taking charge of us in this mess and it's going to take a long time to sort it all out, especially when we have a cretin of a Chairman overseeing it all.. 

[Fauxstralian]

This idea of one more must win game is complete nonsense
It is clear he isn’t up to it
Doesnt know what he is doing with the players he has and after half a season is just floundering
Should have gone after Arsenal and nothing has changed since then 

[eusebiovic]

I'm not sure if Potter would be a good fit either.

From what I've seen he's another coach who likes to line up his players in bizarre formations and out of position just to justify his reputation as a tactical genius. He properly lost the plot at Chelsea doing that kind of thing instead of keeping it simple for a squad that was completely new to each other.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Get this cսnt out today and get Fonseca in.

Fonseca's light years ahead of this fraud tactically and the one we should have gone for in the 1st place.

[goose]

Apparently according to Talkshit, Flop has to win the cup game against Villa otherwise Potter is in the wings?

making a FA cup game away from home "win or get sacked" is fucking mental. But then nothing surprises me with the way this club is run.

[scott_d]

Not defending Lop, he's been poor.  But let's not forget the team he inherited from Moyes was in rapid decline and in relegation form.

In Moyes final 19 games we accumulated 19 points (W4 D7 L8) and -17 GD
In Loppy's first 19 games, we accumulated 23 points (W6 D5 L8) and -14 GD

A less than remarkable improvement and certainly expected much better than this.  

But sometimes a little perspective is important.

Not least for anyone who is genuinely suggesting bringing back Moyes.
 

[greenie1]

Apparently according to Talkshit, Flop has to win the cup game against Villa otherwise Potter is in the wings?

 

I heard that. If that is the case and that is how the directors feel, shouldn't he go now? I can't see it improving, it would be a miracle if it did improve.

Potter is a no from me, but then who in their right mind would want to work under Sullivan and the way we go about business?

[LJC]

Isn’t Potter best mates with Brady’s bloke?

[LJC]

Apparently according to Talkshit, Flop has to win the cup game against Villa otherwise Potter is in the wings?

[Far Cough UKunt]

Apparently according to Talkshit, Flop has to win the cup game against Villa otherwise Potter is in the wings?

[Vexed]

Fucking hell, has this cսnt been sacked yet? The only thing that comes close to how depressing watching us is at the moment is the thought that Graham Fucking Potter is who these hapless pricks want to replace him if they ever find their testicles long enough to sack the pidgin English speaker.

I live in hope that Sully is as tight fisted with his helicopter servicing as he is with his managerial appointments. 

[Lee Trundle]

He's also been out of the game for almost 2 years now.  That's a long time not to be involved.

[LJC]

It's not really a great pool to choose from, in my point of view.

I think I'd prefer us to write off the season, and start all again in the summer with someone new.

See I think it is the perfect season to get someone in half way through. Blood some youth to see if they are good enough. Couple of signings in the window and start to build and have a proper look at the players, ready for a full preseason and get back up there next season. Someone like potter needs a bit of time to build. I think he would be a good fit for us but I agree doesn’t have a track record either really.

I remain unconvinced about Potter given how easily he melted at Chelsea.  Being appointed our manager is probably more closer to the Chelsea job than it is to the Brighton job, in terms of prestige/pressure/etc.

Yeah I can see the arguments against Potter.

[Lee Trundle]

It's not really a great pool to choose from, in my point of view.

I think I'd prefer us to write off the season, and start all again in the summer with someone new.

See I think it is the perfect season to get someone in half way through. Blood some youth to see if they are good enough. Couple of signings in the window and start to build and have a proper look at the players, ready for a full preseason and get back up there next season. Someone like potter needs a bit of time to build. I think he would be a good fit for us but I agree doesn’t have a track record either really.

I remain unconvinced about Potter given how easily he melted at Chelsea.  Being appointed our manager is probably more closer to the Chelsea job than it is to the Brighton job, in terms of prestige/pressure/etc.

[Ladysmith]

It's not really a great pool to choose from, in my point of view.

I think I'd prefer us to write off the season, and start all again in the summer with someone new.

I think that but we get Moyes back as an interim.

[LJC]

It's not really a great pool to choose from, in my point of view.

I think I'd prefer us to write off the season, and start all again in the summer with someone new.

See I think it is the perfect season to get someone in half way through. Blood some youth to see if they are good enough. Couple of signings in the window and start to build and have a proper look at the players, ready for a full preseason and get back up there next season. Someone like potter needs a bit of time to build. I think he would be a good fit for us but I agree doesn’t have a track record either really.

[LJC]

I don’t care about the jobs for the boys lookout and don’t believe any player would have respect for a manager that has won nothing. According to their supporters he won’t give youth a chance, sets a stop watch as to when to make subs (remind you of anyone), plays players out of position (remind you of anyone), sticks to his favourites (remind you of anyone), cannot change tactics during a game (etc etc). I could go on but I don’t believe anyone, including me, watches enough of their games to be a judge but their supporters should be. When they are not worried if he leaves then we should be thinking twice.

[Lee Trundle]

It's not really a great pool to choose from, in my point of view.

I think I'd prefer us to write off the season, and start all again in the summer with someone new.

[twoleftfeet]

Carrick is no where near ready for the premiership, you only have to read their forums to see what their fans think of him.

I disagree. He plays football the right way, he has a West Ham background, he speaks English and he would have the respect of the players due to his wonderful playing career.

[LJC]

Carrick is no where near ready for the premiership, you only have to read their forums to see what their fans think of him.