NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[zebthecat]

Jets are going to interview Mike Vrabel.

https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-to-interv ... aching-job

[Takashi Miike]

I listen to a couple of Dallas blokes and they're sure Mccarthy's going nowhere, especially after Jerry's clown son Stephen said just days ago that nothing much will change in regard to talent hiring and it will be pretty much the same as this year, mainly due to them planning on making Micah Parsons the highest paid defensive player ever. The incompetence there is off the charts 

[southbankbornnbred]

Ron's a great person and had to deal with a psychopath owner while being treated for cancer. My only criticism was his choice of coaches and draft picks (pretty big concerns ), as a bloke he was spot on. He'd be ideal in a club president role. Repeating myself again, you need a younger man in charge. Johnson (Lions), Slowik (Texans), even Kingsbury though I don't want him to jump after one year. Another good coach suddenly being considered again by other clubs is Jon Gruden. I know that freak Gase didn't work for you, but that was the right idea. Sadly it showed in his opening press conference that he wasn't the full shilling

Rivera does strike me as a really nice bloke, but his record as a coach was not great as you know. I know he worked for a nutjob, but he'd have the same problem at the Jets. And his choices while working for a nutjob were not good.

He might actually be somebody we could look at as a potential GM, as he's experienced and has much wider knowledge. I also like the idea of the new GM being somebody who has been a bit more hands on as a coach in the past. But Rivera probably wants to coach again.

On the HCs, I think the three big candidates ought to be Ben Johnson (although everybody will be after him, and somebody like Dallas will throw huge money at him), Mike Vrabel and Aaron Glenn.

I like Vrabel. His record at Tennessee was very good until that final year. I like his proven win record. He's also very "fuck you" and his hard-ass mindset will help him in New York. I know other franchises don't like to admit it, but the media frenzy/pressure in New York does play on coaches in the Big Apple a bit more, and you have to have a very thick skin to cope with the incessant intrusion and potential cuntish-ness of the New York media (and I say that as a hack). Just today, the New York Post has devoted almost an entire back page to one message: don't appoint Rex Ryan as HC (which I happen to agree with).

Other potential HC candidates I'd look at if I were the Jets would be Todd Monken (currently OC at Baltimore). He's into his 50s and has the experience a new HC might need in New York, and he also runs a dynamic read-option offense that would help Jordan Travis if we turn to him next season.

Not so sure about Slowik. His record looks good on paper, as OC at Houston. But I'm not sure to what extent he calls the offensive plays. Don't Houston have quite a hands-on assistant HC (who is an offensive mind)? I might be wrong, but he sounds a bit Eric Bieniemy. If it's a choice of Slowik or somebody like Vrabel, I'd go with the proven HC (with a good win record) every time.

My choices would be: Johnson, Vrabel, Glenn or Monken. And I'm giving Glenn (also unproven as a HC) as an option purely because he loves the Jets and would hurl himself into the job.

[Takashi Miike]

Ron's a great person and had to deal with a psychopath owner while being treated for cancer. My only criticism was his choice of coaches and draft picks (pretty big concerns ), as a bloke he was spot on. He'd be ideal in a club president role. Repeating myself again, you need a younger man in charge. Johnson (Lions), Slowik (Texans), even Kingsbury though I don't want him to jump after one year. Another good coach suddenly being considered again by other clubs is Jon Gruden. I know that freak Gase didn't work for you, but that was the right idea. Sadly it showed in his opening press conference that he wasn't the full shilling

[southbankbornnbred]

Guess they can’t really interview Glenn until Detroit’s season has ended, which might be a while yet. So maybe they’re ticking the Rooney Rule box early.

That whole rule has become a shambles.

 

[southbankbornnbred]

TM - It looks like Ron Rivera’s interview with the Jets is merely the “Rooney Rule” interview.

As a Latino, it seems that Rivera meets the “minority” criteria. So it might just be a box-ticking exercise.

Not sure many people in New York think he will get the job. But you watch, he’ll probably “impress” Woody with some insane gobbledegook and land it anyway!

If true, though, this doesn’t bode well for Brian Flores or Aaron Glenn - both black coaches linked with the job.

[southbankbornnbred]

As things stand - and bearing in mind that there will be  many coaching changes on Monday next week - any Jets HC shortlist surely must include: Vrabel, Johnson and Glenn.

They’ll be on many shortlists, of course. But the Jets have got to start completing for top-level talent from the top down. At GM level, too.

I’d take Vrabel as HC (would probably have offered it to him or Glenn by now, to be honest) and then focused on bringing in the best team around him. Vrabel has a touch of the “fuck you” about him, which I think you need to succeed in Gotham. Glenn has the Jets in his veins and would throw himself into the role.

Ryan has surely been out of the game for too long (eight seasons). He was a brilliant defensive mind - even against Belichick and Brady. But he was hopeless on offense and he’s been away for too long.

We have to seek to appoint somebody better than the guy we ditched: Saleh. Rivera is not that man.

The other thing I'd say about the Jets and its utterly faltering offense next season is that, whoever the head coach is next term, if Rodgers retires or leaves (and I hope he does) and they try Jordan Travis for one season, then they should pick a HC or at least an OC who runs a read-option offense.

Travis is savvy, quick and a good runner and, while he can drop back and throw, looks well-suited to a run-heavy read-option style offense where both the RB and he are live options to run the ball at the point of play. We've already got two good RBs - Hall and Allen - and what we need is a good o-line to start moving the ball. In the absence of a top-ten QB, and being unlikely to draft one in 2025, we'd be best suited to playing to Travis' strengths. He doesn't strike me as a pocket QB. We could probably pick up another back-up QB well-suited to the read-option approach: even somebody like Fields (who will probably leave the Steelers) - providing he's aware he would be the back-up.

All unless a very fine QB falls to us in the draft, which I can't see happening.

[Trilby55]

I did feel for the Niners kicker last night ….. missed two field goals and an extra point . His onside kick at the end almost ended up in a camera crew on the side lines . It looks like they’ve stuck by him when he’s been going thru a purple patch after an injury . Apology if I’ve got any of this wrong . 

[southbankbornnbred]

One thing I'll say about Ron is he was put in pretty much an impossible position approaching last year, and was stitched up (like every other HC we had during that time) by that cսnt Snyder. He (Ron) allowed him (Snyder) to bring in Eric Bienemy as OC and assistant HC, and I've no doubt he would have had Rivera's job the next season if it had gone well. It got off to the worst of starts with EB falling out with senior players in training camp, and it never ever recovered. It didn't take many games to realise that Andy Reid calls everything in Kansas, and Eric was pretty much fucking useless at calling plays, and it continued this past season with UCLA


I'd go younger and an offensive minded coach if it was me making the decision, but coaches with experience. I like Vrabel, he gets on well with his players and likes running the ball

Yeah, I know what you mean about a preference for an offensive mind as a new HC. But the problem is that, Johnson (OC) in Detroit aside, there aren’t currently many options that are either on the market or likely to hit the market as a potential HC.

The Jets, like many sides, should inquire about Johnson. But my gut feeling is that he’ll have his pick of some better established franchises. If he came to Gotham - great!

Vrabel and Glenn are probably more realistic targets for us. We’d probably like Vrabel: good Jets football (admittedly not a regular feature of recent seasons!) had tended to be hard-ass defense and running the ball behind a savvy and non-starry QB who doesn’t want to throw all of the time.

But it could all change next week, when the coaching merry-go-round begins.

[Takashi Miike]

One thing I'll say about Ron is he was put in pretty much an impossible position approaching last year, and was stitched up (like every other HC we had during that time) by that cսnt Snyder. He (Ron) allowed him (Snyder) to bring in Eric Bienemy as OC and assistant HC, and I've no doubt he would have had Rivera's job the next season if it had gone well. It got off to the worst of starts with EB falling out with senior players in training camp, and it never ever recovered. It didn't take many games to realise that Andy Reid calls everything in Kansas, and Eric was pretty much fucking useless at calling plays, and it continued this past season with UCLA


I'd go younger and an offensive minded coach if it was me making the decision, but coaches with experience. I like Vrabel, he gets on well with his players and likes running the ball

[southbankbornnbred]

As things stand - and bearing in mind that there will be  many coaching changes on Monday next week - any Jets HC shortlist surely must include: Vrabel, Johnson and Glenn.

They’ll be on many shortlists, of course. But the Jets have got to start completing for top-level talent from the top down. At GM level, too.

I’d take Vrabel as HC (would probably have offered it to him or Glenn by now, to be honest) and then focused on bringing in the best team around him. Vrabel has a touch of the “fuck you” about him, which I think you need to succeed in Gotham. Glenn has the Jets in his veins and would throw himself into the role.

Ryan has surely been out of the game for too long (eight seasons). He was a brilliant defensive mind - even against Belichick and Brady. But he was hopeless on offense and he’s been away for too long.

We have to seek to appoint somebody better than the guy we ditched: Saleh. Rivera is not that man.

[southbankbornnbred]

Been watching since the early 80s, he's the best rookie QB I've seen for any team. I noticed he was different in a press conference before the Bengals game, early in the season, and I've watched every game this season and apart from the Carolina match when he got hurt, he's never look stressed. Watch him in the final minutes of games and he's still smiling, looking like he's over the park with friends (regarding the playoffs, we can beat anyone but we're a year early regarding roster strength and lack of weapons)

I noticed Rivera had interviewed for your job. He's a nice man but he's not what you need. He has questionable evaluation abilities regarding staff hires, poor judgement recruiting players and you should be looking at younger coaches like Johnson or the OC at Texas. Ron and Rex Ryan should be given a wide berth

Rivera would likely be another disaster for the Jets.

We have to do better than that.

[southbankbornnbred]

Contrast Daniels’ attitude in his rookie year with that of Zach Wilson after we drafted him.

World’s apart.

Wilson had (has) talent, but his attitude and ego stunk the place out.

[southbankbornnbred]

Been watching since the early 80s, he's the best rookie QB I've seen for any team. I noticed he was different in a press conference before the Bengals game, early in the season, and I've watched every game this season and apart from the Carolina match when he got hurt, he's never look stressed. Watch him in the final minutes of games and he's still smiling, looking like he's over the park with friends (regarding the playoffs, we can beat anyone but we're a year early regarding roster strength and lack of weapons)

I noticed Rivera had interviewed for your job. He's a nice man but he's not what you need. He has questionable evaluation abilities regarding staff hires, poor judgement recruiting players and you should be looking at younger coaches like Johnson or the OC at Texas. Ron and Rex Ryan should be given a wide berth

Yeah, Daniels is impressively relaxed-yet-focused in those crucial final minutes of games. Doesn’t seem to tighten up or get nervous. It’s what marks out the top-level QBs. And his skill set is already high.

You just need to keep his feet on the ground, and he looks and sounds like he will.

[Takashi Miike]

Been watching since the early 80s, he's the best rookie QB I've seen for any team. I noticed he was different in a press conference before the Bengals game, early in the season, and I've watched every game this season and apart from the Carolina match when he got hurt, he's never look stressed. Watch him in the final minutes of games and he's still smiling, looking like he's over the park with friends (regarding the playoffs, we can beat anyone but we're a year early regarding roster strength and lack of weapons)

I noticed Rivera had interviewed for your job. He's a nice man but he's not what you need. He has questionable evaluation abilities regarding staff hires, poor judgement recruiting players and you should be looking at younger coaches like Johnson or the OC at Texas. Ron and Rex Ryan should be given a wide berth

[southbankbornnbred]

A few sides gaining momentum at a crucial time - including the Vikes and Washington.

Still hard to look past the Chiefs, Bills or Lions. But the play-offs are shaping up nicely.

That kid Daniels at TM’s mob is a cracking player. He’s got the intangibles that drag victories out of nowhere. They probably won’t win it, but it certainly looks like the Commanders have found their franchise QB.

[Trilby55]

Watched the Lions game , it was a good watch . As a suffering Jets fan I can sit back and be pretty neutral watching games . Same with the Hammers I guess , just remain neutral and enjoy the game , unless it’s Tottenham. Lions have a fair few injuries though ? 

[Far Cough UKunt]

Lions and the Chiefs are both impressive but no team has a better win streak than the Vikings currently at nine.

Vikes meet the Lions in Detroit next Monday for the Black and Blue division title.

SKOL VIKES!

[RBshorty]

Impressive win by the Lions. Got to fancy them for the NFC spot in February. 

GO G MEN.

[southbankbornnbred]

Next season, I want two massive “don’t fuck with us” bookend tackles or guards - or a centre - from the draft, and for the Jets to start running the ball again alongside this kid Travis at QB. A veteran back-up QB in case it doesn’t work out. And go for a QB1 in 2026 if necessary.

But it’s time to move on from Rodgers.

[southbankbornnbred]

He was a superb QB for many years - one of the best ever. But he’s in severe decline just as his ego has blown the roof off.

[Lee Trundle]

I'd love to have seen him play for the 49ers at some point in career.  Obviously not now though!

[southbankbornnbred]

Aaron rogers did set one record yesterday.
He took Tom Brady's record as the most sacked QB of all time.

 

I really hope that Rodgers sees sense and announces his retirement in January. The Jets’ experiment with him has been - as I feared at the time - an unmitigated disaster.

He’s declining in quality (albeit from a high benchmark at Green Bay), injury prone and - more than anything else - a terrible distraction and circus for the club.

He’s been the graveyard of two head coaches, a general manager and his mate at OC. It’s time this whole shitshow ended.

Of course others are also to blame for the continued debacle in New York. None more than Woody Johnson. But just at the tipping point when Joe Douglas and Rob Saleh could have gone either way (in terms of success with the Jets: they had briefly built a decent defense, at least), Johnson insisted on going all in on Rodgers - and it brought the whole house down (not enough cap space or draft picks to build an o-line, took Saleh’s attention away from the defense etc).

I won’t miss him at all.

[zebthecat]

Aaron rogers did set one record yesterday.
He took Tom Brady's record as the most sacked QB of all time.

[lowlife]

I’ve been hoping that the loss of Tua for a run games didn’t cost us. Play offs looked out of reach for the Dolphins a few weeks back, still not too likely but in with a chance going into the last game - wasn’t expecting that.

I am beginning to hope.
We need to beat the Jets and the Chiefs to do us a favour.
Having said that it would be travesty if we make the play-offs and Joe burrow doesn't.
I wonder what Aaron Rogers.Madden score will be next time around?

Yeah - I’ve got a lot of respect for Burrow. Suspect if we do get through we’ll go out in the first round. I remember getting that sinking feeling when it was away vs. Bills in the snow.

I’ve started watching the Madden game documentary, pretty good stuff so far - funny watching the players reaction to how they’ve been scored. What an industry to work in when one of the jobs is a score evaluator