Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[Vexed]

 

Fullkrug a passenger?

You clearly didn’t watch the game.

 

 

Homesick Nic was just as shit as anyone else yesterday. I hope he fucks off back to Germany WHERE it seems his poor little achy heart yearns to eat curry wurst out of his big hairy mother's cսnt.

Oh well done you scored another meaningless fucking consolation goal nobody gives a fuck about, have a fucking slow clap you shit toothed bricklayer masquerading as a professional footballer looking prick. May as well stick a lamppost in their box and just ping balls at it. Better yet a fucking swingball set so at least some cսnt can derive even the lowest level of enjoyment out of a trip to watch West Ham, rather than watch this shovel faced speng standing around offering fuck all. 

Yeah great fucking game, brilliant yeah, we scored a goal BRILLIANT, FUCKING LOPPY IN, FULKRUG FOR FUCKING HAMMER OF THE YEAR, cսnt IS BRILLIANT AINT HE? . 

The absolute worst signing. Wurst signing HAHAHAHAHAHABABABABABABABABBBBHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABABAH. Funny innit. What a great performance we put in, only 4-1. Brilliant progress. Better than 5-0 innit yeah brilliant, serve me up some more 4-1 losses I fuckin love em. Prideless cunts. 

Fuck off. 

[Massive Attack]

It was the 1st time I've seen him play well for us after his 10th appearance and 4th start of the season. Hopefully he can keep that level up now. He needs to for the massive outlay.

[Mad Ferret]

I wouldn’t mind more passengers who score goals.

[twoleftfeet]

We will lose the next three games. We actually played well at times yesterday, but it was the Leicester game all over again. Kudus wants to score on his own, Soucek missed a good chance. Fullkrug is a passenger. No leadership at allwhich is why there is no fight

Fullkrug a passenger?

You clearly didn’t watch the game.

[WHUFCUSA]

We will lose the next three games. We actually played well at times yesterday, but it was the Leicester game all over again. Kudus wants to score on his own, Soucek missed a good chance. Fullkrug is a passenger. No leadership at allwhich is why there is no fight

[Hammer and Pickle]

Sir Alf

Do you think media spin will be enough to shield Sullivan from the fallout of a relegation battle and player walkout?

[Sir Alf]

Sullivan will be working hard on the propaganda effort now rather than admit to being wrong.

Steidten is going to appear as the problem once, as I expect, we sink into the relegation conversation over the next 6 weeks.  

Then he will use his media friends to finally throw Lop under the bus.  All this is part of his smoke screen tactic to deflect blame and most fans will buy into what the media, web sites churn out. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

The question for me is, now that we are half way through the season, are we better off giving Lopetegui until the summer in the hope that the style of play will eventually bring results or do we get rid of him now and trust that Sullivan will find the right man for the job.

That's the real question because Sullivan isn't going anywhere.

I’m no fan of the school of thought that it has to get worse before it gets better but, in this case, we’re only going to get rid of the cause, which we are agreed is Sullivan, when he completely humiliates himself and is forced to cut his losses and sell up. So, unfortunately, the quickest way to that is, I guess, sticking with the blinking clown. Nobody in their right mind is coming to this smoking hulk anyway.

[Lee Trundle]

Swiss will be on here bleating after we get thumped by Villa, most likely.

[Sir Alf]

With Bowen out for 2 months plus a few weeks getting back to speed, there is every chance we will get pulled into the relegation equation. Wolves and Ipswich both improving and Everton good defensively, Palace getting better.

Its the Avram season all over again. Sullivan’s ego and little man syndrome will mean he cannot bear admitting he was wrong with the appointment and he will involve himself in transfers that will be all wrong and not address the weaknesses.

Its looking ominous even tho we sit 7 points above the zone. We just concede for fun and that never ends well

[scott_d]

The question for me is, now that we are half way through the season, are we better off giving Lopetegui until the summer in the hope that the style of play will eventually bring results or do we get rid of him now and trust that Sullivan will find the right man for the job.

That's the real question because Sullivan isn't going anywhere.

[Sir Alf]

Ipswich looking well organised. Mckenna their coach has adjusted his tactics to play on the break and they are getting better results. 

Without Bowen I see us sliding fown further

[Russ of the BML]

Didn’t see the match yesterday, due to work. But caught up on highlights etc. Can’t say I’m remotely surprised by the result.

Having not seen the full 90 minutes, I won’t wang on about yet another thrashing. But we are still shipping far too many goals.

Was there anything in it that offered a glimmer of hope?

The only glimmer of hope is that we could have been 2-0 up before City got going. 

The only other glimmer of hope is that they didn't thrash us - We gifted them four goals basically. I realise that may make me sound like a nutcase. But why I see it as a glimmer of hope is that, if we cut out those mistakes, we may fair better. 

Its scraping the barrel yes, but the bottom of the barrel is all I really have left. 

[only1billybonds]

Southbank.

You are being to kind. If you disregard cup football then we will have the record of winning NOTHING in our entire history. Absolutely laughable to dismiss cup games.

[southbankbornnbred]

But cup games are first-class matches, Swiss. Or do you not count cups? If not, West Ham would have a (major) trophyless history.

I’m not one for defending Grant (or Lopetegui, for that matter). But if you don’t accept cup games as wins, then we’ve achieved very little as a club, historically.

 

[Swiss.]

Lop The Flop currently has a lower win percentage than Avram Grant...

Should be a shot in the arm for his supporters.

He's fucking dreadful.

Only if you include the 8 wins out of 10 in the cups. In the PL Grant is like 20%. But Lee you will believe anything written on the side of a bus even if ts not true. Thick cսnt easily conned . 

[Lee Trundle]

Lop The Flop currently has a lower win percentage than Avram Grant...

Should be a shot in the arm for his supporters.

He's fucking dreadful.

[Snodders' Beard]

Lop The Flop currently has a lower win percentage than Avram Grant...

[Far Cough UKunt]

Didn’t see the match yesterday, due to work. But caught up on highlights etc. Can’t say I’m remotely surprised by the result.

Having not seen the full 90 minutes, I won’t wang on about yet another thrashing. But we are still shipping far too many goals.

Was there anything in it that offered a glimmer of hope?

Their four goals flattered them, City are really shit....not a shite as us though.

[southbankbornnbred]

Didn’t see the match yesterday, due to work. But caught up on highlights etc. Can’t say I’m remotely surprised by the result.

Having not seen the full 90 minutes, I won’t wang on about yet another thrashing. But we are still shipping far too many goals.

Was there anything in it that offered a glimmer of hope?

[onsideman]

Oi, Lop...

If Cresswell isn't able to step up as second choice left back then why give him a new contract? That's on you.

If you hold out for Rodriguez and Soler and realise half way through the season that they don't improve you, that's on you.

If you continue to play a desperately out of form Paqueta and stand by and watch as he repeatedly concedes possession and fails to ever track back, that's on you.

If you insist on signing - and spunk a third of your budget on - Kilman before realising he's a run of the mill centre back, that's on you.

If you play multiple players out of position rather than play with shape and balance,  that's on you.

If you fail to take advantage of having the least disruptive injury record in the division over the first 4 months of the season, that's on you

And if you still don't know your best team after more than half a season, that's on you

[northbankboy68]

Only the bottom 2 clubs have a worse goal difference than us!

[Sir Alf]

Yeah not clear am I Mike, Im referring to the first 18 -24 months of Moyes tenure. You are correct tho, the last season Moyes team was a sieve too. I think Moyes was attempting to get us to keep the ball more but it failed. Moyes was aware of fan unrest and need for more entertaining style but just didntbknow how.  

But my poorly explained point is that Lop needs to get more balance and get the team better organised and compact without the backs and midfield jumping out to try and press or overload the opposition because we dont have the players for it.  A blend of the low block Moyes strengths with more build up and passing thru teams. Forest have the balance but also possess a more athletic midfield with the likes of Gibbs White. All their players work their socks off tho and believe in what they are doing. Moyes did in thise first 2 years have the players onside with what we were doing and Lop sems to have totally failed in that respect. Players just dont look like they are giving everything. 


 

[Takashi Miike]

Alf, again you're gaslighting. How were we more compact/solid with Moyes when we lost twenty league games two years ago, and conceded 74 league goals last season? 

[John Coffey]

Its all so very predictable. Lope's time in charge is like looking out to sea and predicting the weather. Its easy. 

For anyone who reads my two pennies worth, I said weeks back that there has not been one player that's improved under Lope and week after week we look just as dumb and confused as we did in his first games in charge. And I predicted, rather easily, that we won't see any improvement because the players do not like him, understand him or want to play for him. The same problems still exist that existed at the very start of the season. Lope has done nothing to change it. 

I predicted we would not beat Bournemouth and Brighton. Did not have a clue what we would do a Soton (good result but questionable performance). And so it came to pass. I said we would get beat comfortably by Liverpool and predicted 6. I said we would get beat comfortably by City and predicted 5-0 which almost came to pass. I also said in the week we would get beat comfortably by Villa in the cup and predicted 3-0. This doesn't make me some specialist or some clever bastard. Quite frankly, we are so poor a fucking child could predict we would get beat. And that, I am afraid, is the legacy of a coach that is obviously totally out of his depth. 

The only positive from yesterday is that we should've been 1 up and the most blinkered West Ham fans would argue 2-0 up. But then we revert to type. 

The problem, that I also called in the week, is that Liverpool and City were free hits. Lope has reduced expectations to such a low level, people do not even expect us to get nil. He is not going to be sacked after losing to Liverpool and City. I also said that I doubt he will get sacked if we get beat by Villa in the cup. Lope is riding a wave of unbelievable goodwill from Sulli. But it is not genuine goodwill. It is goodwill shadowed by a fear of being proven wrong. The egomaniac will tell all that he doesn't like to sack managers, but deep down, it is not liking to be made to look a fool. 

So my prediction is beaten 3-0 by Villa. Then we move into two huge games at home to Fulham and Palace. Sadly, I predict we get beat by Fulham, but Sullivan will then have no choice but to jettison Lope. But if we do, against all odds, turn up and beat Fulham Lope will go into the Palace game...... Then, who know's?

Spot on Russ. Lopetegui is still in a job because sacking him makes Sullivan look stupid, as it was evident right from the start that HE appointed the wrong man, despite his technical director  wanting someone else. 
But also as you said, he won’t be sacked due to us being thrashed by the likes of the scouse and City or even by Villa in the Cup. 
The other consideration of waiting until Fulham or Palace is that the transfer window will be well under way, and we then only have one more match (Villa away) before it closes.
Does Sullivan allow Lopetegui any signings without knowing if he will still be here come 1st February? Our business, if any, could be a guide as to how Sullivan will proceed with Lopetegui. IF there’s money available but Sullivan wants a new manager, surely now is the time to make the change and let the  new manager have this window too? 
I’ll stick my old neck out and say that we’re stuck with Lopetegui now for the season. Sullivan has messed up royally and won’t lose face by admitting it publicly.