Lopetegui (sacked 8.1.2025)

[maverick180]

I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

[Fauxstralian]

Have we ever offered a manager a 6 month contract to start?
Just surprised he didn’t reject it out of hand when first mentioned
More Sullivan dithering because he doesn’t know whether he is the right man. 
18 months wouldn’t be unreasonable 
If it is Everton also chasing am sure they are offering more than 2 seasons (ie Winter & Spring)

[zico]

Personally think all manager contracts should be a rolling 12 months so you aren’t looking at multi year amounts of compensation 
Think many clubs do cap the payoff rather than make it the balance of the contract
You can always say if you are below half way for a certain period that you can be sacked with say a years money
When Pardew got an 8 year contract at Newcastle am sure he didn’t get the balance of those 8 years

 

 

Agree with that with maybe big bonuses for winning a Cup or European qualification, etc.,  That might even persuade managers to put out their best teams in the Cup Competitions.  I suspect Clubs do it to protect themselves from losing a Manager to a bigger Club if they are successfull but you could argue the PL or FA could get involved in that by creating certain rules about Clubs poaching managers.

[stubbo]

Anyone know when Potter's twenty four hours to think started, or will the little midget bastard string that out too?

Talk is that Everton have asked to talk to him...can't see him wanting to move North for another basket case if he doesn't need to given he lives in Bournemouth and his missus has a business there, but who knows.

[Takashi Miike]

Anyone know when Potter's twenty four hours to think started, or will the little midget bastard string that out too?

This 'wait and think' bollocks is the drip telling Everton to come and get him. 

[John Coffey]

Of course Potter has gone away to think about it: he's only been offered six months' work. He's gone off to find out if another club will offer him a longer contract.

I won't hold that against him: he's being sensible. Which is something I'd like our managers to be!

The problem is not Potter asking for more time. It's the reason. We should be offering him at least 18 months IF we think he's our man - or go for somebody else (heaven forbid they may be under contract).

But, more than that, none of this should be playing out in public. It's typical of West Ham that it is. It has made me feel a tiny bit sorry for Lopetegui - who is not a man who generally inspires sympathy.

Spot on. 

[Pub Bigot]

Another rumour (I know, I know) is that Potter has turned us down

Would be Martin O'Neil all over again. 

[Manuel]

Of course Potter has gone away to think about it: he's only been offered six months' work. He's gone off to find out if another club will offer him a longer contract.

I won't hold that against him: he's being sensible. Which is something I'd like our managers to be!

The problem is not Potter asking for more time. It's the reason. We should be offering him at least 18 months IF we think he's our man - or go for somebody else (heaven forbid they may be under contract).

But, more than that, none of this should be playing out in public. It's typical of West Ham that it is. It has made me feel a tiny bit sorry for Lopetegui - who is not a man who generally inspires sympathy.

 

 

My point was that it didn't sit right that he needed a day to think about it, so if nothing breaks today, either way, then I am right. And as mentioned below he would have known this alleged 6 month offer is likely to be on the table at some point soon, so has had plenty of time to think about it.

[Pub Bigot]

Typically embarrassing fuck up by the club, which shows the board for the market stall trader types they are. If you're Daniel Kretinsky, how are you letting the midget drag your name through the mud with his amateur hour approach. 

As for Graham Potter, I'm sure he is a good choice for manager, but he's walking into a circus and will be a scapegoated eventually. Or will he see that as Martin O'Neil did and walk away?



 

I think at this point we can say that Kretinsky is surfing the club and awaiting a big buyout so that he can cash in on his investment.

If he was going to takeover in full, he would probably have done it by now. Instead, he's about to spend several billion on Royal Mail's parent company. I can't see him being too interested in now purchasing the rest of West Ham for an inflated fee. Not for a while yet.

The question I have, has there been any interest from a buyer? If so, what's stopped the buyer? Is the valuation of the club too high, or are the current board waiting for the government to blink first and sell the white elephant ground to the club for a small fee? 

I may be biased, but less attractive clubs have had takeovers, while it feels we're stuck in a time warp with an owner who thinks and acts like it's the 1970s. 

[southbankbornnbred]

Of course Potter has gone away to think about it: he's only been offered six months' work. He's gone off to find out if another club will offer him a longer contract.

I won't hold that against him: he's being sensible. Which is something I'd like our managers to be!

The problem is not Potter asking for more time. It's the reason. We should be offering him at least 18 months IF we think he's our man - or go for somebody else (heaven forbid they may be under contract).

But, more than that, none of this should be playing out in public. It's typical of West Ham that it is. It has made me feel a tiny bit sorry for Lopetegui - who is not a man who generally inspires sympathy.

[LJC]

Another rumour (I know, I know) is that Potter has turned us down

[Fauxstralian]

Personally think all manager contracts should be a rolling 12 months so you aren’t looking at multi year amounts of compensation 
Think many clubs do cap the payoff rather than make it the balance of the contract
You can always say if you are below half way for a certain period that you can be sacked with say a years money
When Pardew got an 8 year contract at Newcastle am sure he didn’t get the balance of those 8 years

[Ron Eff]

The longer it drags on, the more time Sulli doesn’t have to spend in the transfer market. 

[Fauxstralian]

Potter has seemingly been in the frame for weeks so has had plenty of time to decide whether he wants the job
As below can only think he has also been approached by Everton so is playing one off against the other.
If he jumps the other way good riddance but means Sullivan has created an intolerable situation for the dead duck Lopetegui
Think there was a similar situation with Pellegrini where he knew he was going & phoned in his work for the last period
Usual shambles isn’t it?

[threesixty]

Surely it's getting into constructive dismissal territory? He could easily quit and still get compensated, maybe even more than he was due?
You cant let stories hang in the air and do nothing as a club in terms of an official statement to confirm or deny. Ridiculous behaviour from the club.

The way I see it is, unless you think JLo is going to relegate you it makes no sense giving someone a 6 month contract because it means you don't believe they're the right person either.
So might as well stay with him and line up someone you actually believe in.

Unless they have been arguing with each other (which might be the real reason), I dont really understand it.
 

[the exile]

I completely get Potter wanting a bit of time to think about it. If he had been offered two and a half years, or even one and a half, he'd be straight in there. Offering him six months is an insult, or is it, given that he's been out of work for two years? It's a difficult position to be put into. For me the obvious solution is to make Noble caretaker manager for the rest of the season. He knows the club and the players inside out, he has leadership abilities and I reckon he would have the respect of the players.

[Manuel]

I'm staggered clubs still promise long contracts to managers as it always ends up with massive compensation if they get rid, but even a good first season doesn't guarantee continued success.  Didn't the club offer Glenn Roeder a short term contract then after a good first year upped it to three of four years and it went all pear shaped?  Six months though sounds shabby.  You have to give anyone coming in a summer transfer window at least.  

I agree and it's only really an English thing, in Europe it's 2 years.

[zico]

I'm staggered clubs still promise long contracts to managers as it always ends up with massive compensation if they get rid, but even a good first season doesn't guarantee continued success.  Didn't the club offer Glenn Roeder a short term contract then after a good first year upped it to three of four years and it went all pear shaped?  Six months though sounds shabby.  You have to give anyone coming in a summer transfer window at least.  

[Manuel]

Fwiw, if Lop is taking training today then this is likely to drag on imo. Potter allegedly 'needing a day to think about it' don't sound right to me. I don't think it really works like that in football ''cheers fella, will let you know tomorrow yea''

[Metroplex]

He must still desperately want to be a course co-director for the certificate in Football Psychology, Emotional Intelligence and Leadership at the Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) Business School.
Or summink.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Talksport saying Potter has been offered the job, but he has gone away to think about it.

What a shambles. I can't see Potter being the answer.

Talksport saying Potter has been offered the job, but he has just gone away.

There, I fixed it

[greenie1]

Talksport saying Potter has been offered the job, but he has gone away to think about it.

What a shambles. I can't see Potter being the answer.

[southbankbornnbred]

Typically embarrassing fuck up by the club, which shows the board for the market stall trader types they are. If you're Daniel Kretinsky, how are you letting the midget drag your name through the mud with his amateur hour approach. 

As for Graham Potter, I'm sure he is a good choice for manager, but he's walking into a circus and will be a scapegoated eventually. Or will he see that as Martin O'Neil did and walk away?



 

I think at this point we can say that Kretinsky is surfing the club and awaiting a big buyout so that he can cash in on his investment.

If he was going to takeover in full, he would probably have done it by now. Instead, he's about to spend several billion on Royal Mail's parent company. I can't see him being too interested in now purchasing the rest of West Ham for an inflated fee. Not for a while yet.

Basically, we have an entire, disparate, board of hawks eagerly awaiting the purchase of the club for an inflated fee (considering we don't even own a stadium). The move to the plastic athletics stadium has delivered the boost in club value that GSB (at the time) wanted and means that other investors (Kretinsky, that weird Yank, Terry "he's back" Brown etc) can also cash in.

They're just waiting for a very wealthy and naive Arab, or Yank/Chinese investment hawks to turn up and get won over by the Jubalympic stadium.

[southbankbornnbred]

Typically embarrassing fuck up by the club, which shows the board for the market stall trader types they are. If you're Daniel Kretinsky, how are you letting the midget drag your name through the mud with his amateur hour approach. 

As for Graham Potter, I'm sure he is a good choice for manager, but he's walking into a circus and will be a scapegoated eventually. Or will he see that as Martin O'Neil did and walk away?


 

I think at this point we can say that Kretinsky is surfing the club and awaiting a big buyout so that he can cash in on his investment.

If he was going to takeover in full, he would probably have done it by now. Instead, he's about to spend several billion on Royal Mail's parent company. I can't see him being too interested in now purchasing the rest of West Ham for an inflated fee. Not for a while yet.

[Pub Bigot]

Typically embarrassing fuck up by the club, which shows the board for the market stall trader types they are. If you're Daniel Kretinsky, how are you letting the midget drag your name through the mud with his amateur hour approach. 

As for Graham Potter, I'm sure he is a good choice for manager, but he's walking into a circus and will be a scapegoated eventually. Or will he see that as Martin O'Neil did and walk away?

 

[stubbo-admin]

Whats all the 6 month contract bollocks about? If he isnt the right man in 6 months he isnt the right man now.

The better run clubs have a list of potential managers/coaches to appoint if needed.

This circus is 2 bob

"The better run clubs have a list of potential managers/coaches to appoint if needed."

Exactly.  You answered your own question....that approach only works if you're prepared to pay for the coach you want.  Sullivan isn't.