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https://www.whufc.com/news/graham-potte ... head-coach

​​​​​​In the past he's favoured a 3-4-3 formation...hard to see how we can do that currently with only 3 senior CBs, one of whom is injured. He's also played wingers (Solly March as an example) in the wing back roles.

Typically when a 3-4-3 gets announced on a match day the manager is immediately described as being too negative, too cautious etc. I guess it depends on the composition of the 4.

He's given young players chances...hopefully that continues at West Ham.

Welcome Graham.
 
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Anyway - FWIW - I am happy with the appointment. Yes, there was better out there, but it may be that Potter is the best fit of the available coaches that came free of charge. 

He is an excellent coach, of that there is no doubt. The problems with our squad are glaring and there for all to see and so a man with his experience and ability should be able to quickly make changes that have a positive impact. He also needs to very quickly get his transfer targets sorted and, I hope. the club don't dick about and just go out and get them. The board wasted six months on the Lope experiment and so the least they owe us and the new coach is some new faces in quickly. Long term Potter needs to rediscover our identity and get us moving up the table. 

Not an easy job. 
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Massive attack - here’s a couple of stats for you about Lopetegui 

Amount of games where players were played out of position ratio - 100%

amount of times this was necessary due to injuries - 0%
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roltrader wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 08:17 Graham PotterCareer win rate: 38.6 %Games managed: 440 gamesPremier League win rate: 28.3 %Honours: Swedish Cup Winner (2016/17)Clubs managed: Ostersund, Swansea, Brighton, ChelseaJulen LopeteguiCareer win rate: 54.9%Games managed: 419 gamesPremier League win rate: 34.4 per centHonours: Europa League (2019/20), U19 & U20 EurosClubs managed: Rayo Vallencano, Spain Youth, Porto, Spain, Real Madrid, Sevilla, Wolves, West Ham
 
 
What's your point?

Regardless of stats, who would you want as West Ham manager right now? Lope or Potter? 
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Right. I think we’ll be relegated
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Jean-Luc Paul Goddard" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 08:12
Massive Attack" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 08:02
Stop cutting corners, you.. Left them in 4th after just 6 games and De Zerbi over the course of the majority of the same season got them 6th. The previous season Potter also got off to a flying start in 4th spot in the League after a few games, only for them to finish in 9th place. Brighton also narrowly got knocked out on pens in the FA Cup to Man Utd under De Zerbi where they got knocked out in early rounds of both Cups the season before under Potter. 

You seriously also suggesting he did a better job at Chelsea having left them in 11th after being sacked than where they ended up finishing in 6th the following season under Pochettino? 
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm just giving the facts. Not sure why you have a problem with that. You can act like a jilted lover about Lopetegui's sacking all you want, it won't change Potter being here so you might as well wind your neck in for now and see how he does. 
 
 
Get you getting your knickers in a twist when I too put the facts in front of you to counter your spinned nonsense regarding Potter. 😂
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Graham PotterCareer win rate: 38.6 %Games managed: 440 gamesPremier League win rate: 28.3 %Honours: Swedish Cup Winner (2016/17)Clubs managed: Ostersund, Swansea, Brighton, ChelseaJulen LopeteguiCareer win rate: 54.9%Games managed: 419 gamesPremier League win rate: 34.4 per centHonours: Europa League (2019/20), U19 & U20 EurosClubs managed: Rayo Vallencano, Spain Youth, Porto, Spain, Real Madrid, Sevilla, Wolves, West Ham
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Massive Attack" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 08:02
Stop cutting corners, you.. Left them in 4th after just 6 games and De Zerbi over the course of the majority of the same season got them 6th. The previous season Potter also got off to a flying start in 4th spot in the League after a few games, only for them to finish in 9th place. Brighton also narrowly got knocked out on pens in the FA Cup to Man Utd under De Zerbi where they got knocked out in early rounds of both Cups the season before under Potter. 

You seriously also suggesting he did a better job at Chelsea having left them in 11th after being sacked than where they ended up finishing in 6th the following season under Pochettino? 
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm just giving the facts. Not sure why you have a problem with that. You can act like a jilted lover about Lopetegui's sacking all you want, it won't change Potter being here so you might as well wind your neck in for now and see how he does. 
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OK I've bought in after reading this on the much liked BBC
Looking forward to this now...

Is Potter the right fit for West Ham?

It has been 647 days since Graham Potter was sacked as Chelsea manager, and he's been out of work since.Having been linked with a number of top jobs during this period, the former Brighton boss will now become the next West Ham manager.

Potter was in the frame for the England manager's role in the summer and has also been in the running for jobs at Ajax, Leicester City and Sweden. He admitted his dismissal from Chelsea "hurt a lot" and, while he was only in charge for seven months, his stock has remained high. In several recent media appearances the 49-year-old said he was "ready" to return to football but the role "still has to be the right thing".

So, why West Ham now? What went wrong at Chelsea after his impressive work with Brighton? BBC Sport examines whether Potter would be a good fit for the Hammers.

Thought-provoking' & 'meticulous' - what is Potter like as a manager?

A former defender at clubs such as Birmingham, Stoke and West Brom, Potter first gained recognition as a manager after guiding Swedish fourth-tier side Ostersunds FK to three promotions in five seasons. His seven-year spell also included a first major trophy with the Swedish Cup and a spot in the Europa League, where they famously beat Arsenal 2-1 at the Emirates Stadium, but lost the last-32 tie 4-2 on aggregate. It was an unconventional route for an English manager, but one which led him to Swansea in 2018 and Brighton a year later, before he joined Chelsea in 2022. Amid links to Tottenham and Everton jobs in the past, Potter said he will never be thought of as a "sexy" coach, saying: "It is hard to be a sexy name when you are called Potter, especially if your first name is Graham. Then it becomes even more difficult. Add into that a long face and a ginger beard and all the rest of it and I just have to stick to being a football coach and work with the players. "Often referred to as a compassionate and thoughtful coach, Potter cemented himself as one of the game's most exciting prospects at Brighton - where he was charged with turning them from a consistently relegation-threatened side to a stable Premier League club with a more adventurous style of play.Former Seagulls forward Glenn Murray played under him and said Potter was a "thought-provoking manager" who "meticulously studies every opponent". "He knows exactly what he wants, but he wants feedback from the players. It's a collective rather than a dictatorship," added Murray." One thing that really struck me about him, and he probably doesn't get enough credit for, is that we were a team that were in survival mode in the Premier League."He managed to change the culture and change the style of play. That's not an easy thing to do while remaining stable."Amid the focus on tactically dogmatic coaches such as Ange Postecoglou and Ruben Amorim, Murray said Potter's style was "fluid" and he was not opposed to making changes to formation or tactics during a game. "When I played under him, we would change formations two or three times in a single afternoon, which is quite a skill to be able to have your players understand everything you want from them and be able to change in-game," he admitted. While Brighton have gone on to achieve bigger things since Potter left the Amex - playing in Europe under Roberto de Zerbi after achieving a sixth-placed Premier League finish - sources at the Seagulls have suggested the Italian boss benefited massively from the work Potter had done during his stint.Off the pitch, Brighton sources said Potter was a "deep thinker" and a "very intelligent guy" who cares about the world. He once spent a night on the streets to raise awareness for homelessness and has a Masters degree in leadership.

 What went wrong for Potter at Chelsea?

When Potter was appointed Chelsea manager in September 2022, he had just led Brighton to a ninth-placed finish - the club's highest in the top flight at the time. His ability to get the best out of young players made him attractive to a Blues side under new ownership with an ever-expanding squad and a strategy of signing exciting prospects on long-term contracts. But Potter immediately felt the pressure of a packed dressing room and an instant weight of expectation.In an interview with the High Performance Podcast, external in November last year, he said the "conditions were challenging" as the new owners made extensive changes."If you change 20-30 players in three transfer windows, the instability of that is hard to deal with," added Potter." It was not that I couldn't do it, but if you go in and take a sledgehammer to a place and change it that quickly then sometimes there's some collateral damage. I was a bit of collateral damage."Potter said he felt he had been thrown in at the deep end with 14 matches in his first six weeks in charge across the Premier League and Champions League." It was an overload situation for me," he explained. "Looking back, one of my mistakes - if you are going to set up, then give yourself some time to plan and train. "Maybe I decided to join too quickly, but it was Chelsea and the owners were speaking about building a young team capable of competing at the top end. I had spoken about bringing a lot of the things I did at Brighton to Chelsea. "We weren't winning as much and the obvious answer was the coach isn't good enough. Pretty quickly you are written off, I thought I was written off fairly quickly."Although Potter would not have to juggle the demands of European football at West Ham, he would be joining the club midway through the season - which can bring challenges with the January transfer window open and potential comings and goings to deal with.Potter admitted he had to work through feelings of "bitterness, frustration and sadness" about his Chelsea spell, before considering a return to the game.And, while it may have been a case of wrong place, wrong time for Potter at Stamford Bridge, his extended period of time away from management perhaps indicated he has simply been reluctant to make a rash decision which could result in a similar situation.

 Can Potter deliver 'the West Ham way'?

West Ham have enjoyed success in recent years under previous boss David Moyes - winning the 2022-23 Europa Conference League and competing in the Europa League in the seasons either side of that.While his departure at the end of last season seemed unusual from the outside, there was a feeling Moyes' time at the London Stadium had run its course, with fans calling for a more progressive style.Former Hammers boss Harry Redknapp said: "It's not an easy place to manage - the expectation there is very high. Whoever goes there, not only do they have to produce a winning team, they've got to produce a team that plays what West Ham fans see as the West Ham way. "But Murray, who also played for Crystal Palace, Bournemouth and Nottingham Forest, felt West Ham was a "good fit" for Potter if given the time to implement his own philosophies."They want a better brand of football to be played at the London Stadium, and I think he'll be able to deliver that," he said. Murray also added "entertaining football" does not just come overnight but Potter has experience of juggling style with substance.In the Premier League era, West Ham managers have been given an average of 32 months in charge - or just over two-and-a-half years. That is longer than Newcastle, Everton, Tottenham and Aston Villa.Sources with an understanding of the situation told BBC Sport that Potter had received other offers since leaving Chelsea, but he had chosen West Ham given the stable ownership and a track record of allowing managers time to build.He also felt the club had a good squad compared to others in the lower end of the Premier League and the job felt like a good fit.

 What is West Ham and Potter's ceiling?

West Ham are currently 14th in the table, seven points off the drop zone. A ninth-placed finish in last year's Premier League meant they did not qualify for Europe, but a turnaround in form could still see them replicate the achievements of the previous campaigns by booking themselves a place in European competition."It's a very attractive job," said Murray. "They've shown desire to climb the league and I think everything is there at West Ham. "Everything is geared up for a charge on the top six, and that is where that fanbase expects to be, fighting among those European places and going deep into competitions."Last season there was a split between West Ham technical director Tim Steidten and boss David Moyes - and sources said on Tuesday that Steidten was working away from the club's training ground, amid widespread speculation Lopetegui was set to lose his job.It remains to be seen how Potter fits into their existing hierarchy.West Ham podcaster and fan Sean Whetstone told BBC 5 Live Sport: "I don't think Potter is the first choice for most West Ham fans, same as Lopetegui wasn't the first choice. Critics would say Potter was flattered by Tony Bloom and Dan Ashworth's recruitment formula at Brighton. It didn't work at Chelsea and what has he done elsewhere? "That's why I think there was some nervousness and talk of a short-term contract until the end of the season."I think some fans are turning against Steidten. He spent a lot of money on Brazilian winger Luis Guilherme, a player who hasn't come up to spec. [West Ham vice-chair] Karren Brady has led the push for Potter all the way. Let's see if he lasts the two-and-a-half years or if he feels he's ripe for a bigger club."There's a view from some West Ham fans that he needs the club more than the club needs him. We'll give him a chance and hope he can replicate what he did at Brighton and push us further up the league - maybe even into Europe. We're optimists and dreamers at West Ham."

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Jean-Luc Paul Goddard" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 07:53
Massive Attack" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 07:26 When he leaves Clubs in the English Leagues, they usually go on to perform better once he's left them, not the other way around. 
 
It's not that simple.

In the 12 months after he left Chelsea they had actually got worse, with a win rate of just 30% (12 wins in 39 league games).

As for Brighton, he left them 6 games into the season, in 4th place with 13 points. If he hadn't made that strong start to the season would they have finished in 6th? Highly doubtful, especially as they finished only 3 points higher than 9th. The following season they finished 11th, which was worse than Potter had achieved the season before he left. Currently they're 10th. In terms of results they haven't changed really. They have scored more but they've also conceded more. 
Stop cutting corners, you.. Left them in 4th after just 6 games and De Zerbi over the course of the majority of the same season got them 6th. The previous season Potter also got off to a flying start in 4th spot in the League after a few games, only for them to finish in 9th place. Brighton also narrowly got knocked out on pens in the FA Cup Semi Final to Man Utd under De Zerbi where they got knocked out in early rounds of both Cups the season before under Potter. 

You seriously also suggesting he did a better job at Chelsea having left them in 11th after being sacked than where they ended up finishing in 6th the following season under Pochettino? 
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Massive Attack" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 07:26 When he leaves Clubs in the English Leagues, they usually go on to perform better once he's left them, not the other way around. 
 
 
It's not that simple.

In the 12 months after he left Chelsea they had actually got worse, with a win rate of just 30% (12 wins in 39 league games).

As for Brighton, he left them 6 games into the season, in 4th place with 13 points. If he hadn't made that strong start to the season would they have finished in 6th? Highly doubtful, especially as they finished only 3 points higher than 9th. The following season they finished 11th, which was worse than Potter had achieved the season before he left. Currently they're 10th. In terms of results they haven't changed really. They have scored more but they've also conceded more. 
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Mike Oxsaw" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 07:32 So, David, what was it that attracted you to the only manager in the world willing to have a go at the role?
 
 
This one's down to Karren Brady and her poncey husband Peschisolido who they're close pals and Ex Team mates of at Birmingham City when the spivs used to run them and a couple of Clubs after that together. Essentially an old pals act.
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I’m not overly fussed about loads of possession and the brand of football. I want a team that will give everything and a manager who has a well thought out plan about how to win games.

I want people to look at the fixture and know that West Ham won’t be an easy game.
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So, David, what was it that attracted you to the only manager in the world willing to have a go at the role?
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Andy Brassell talking about the appointment....

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The one big positive about Potter is he speaks very good English and looks suave as fuck in front of a camera. The other good thing is he tends to get a very good 'managerial bounce' initially before results tail off. Beyond that though it beats me what anyone sees in his managerial career that suggests he can do well at West Ham.

When he leaves Clubs in the English Leagues, they usually go on to perform better once he's left them, not the other way around. Here's hoping he bucks that trend and his almost 2 years away from management to reflect has done the trick and we can benefit from it. 
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Hope I'm wrong but I'm not expecting to be blown away by the style of football. Expect it will be much like Pellegrini's and Lopetegui's, focusing on keeping possession and slowly recycling the ball, hoping for an opening. Meanwhile the opposition defence has had time to park the bus and the attack ends with a desperate attempt from distance or a cross going nowhere. 

West Ham fans say they like possession based football, playing out from the back, etc. but really most like a more direct style of play, not dithering about but getting the ball quickly into the final third, like we often saw under Redknapp, Pardew and Bilic.
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Exactly what Manuel said. Give him the rest of thus season to form his own ideas and analysis of the squad and a summer transfer window and let the real business start next August. No harm in having  a real go at the FA cup though.
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I don't think where we finish is that big a deal at this point, second half of the season should be about getting a new system in place, conceding less goals, and all the other usual stuff that contributes towards success, and then have a proper go at next season after a summer window. Staying in the FA Cup would be good though.
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Fauxstralian wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 06:07 Good luck to him
Change had to happen & look forward to understanding what our manager is saying 
The problems in the team are obvious with a turgid midfield & strikers with bus passes & limited mobility so hopefully those will be addressed asap 
We have enough in the squad to climb the table 
 
 
Whilst I agree in principle that we have enough in the squad to climb the table, I suspect that with Antonio and Bowen out for a while much will depend on January additions.

Looking at the standings I would be surprised not to see the Mancs or the N17 mob improve so in reality I think that to climb we would need one or more of Brentford, Brighton and Fulham to have a poor run.. I could be wrong but I'll temper my expectations and anticipate a 14th place finish but with hopefully an improvement on our points per game tally and not a GD of  minus 0.75 goals per game.
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Mike Oxsaw" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 06:13
John Coffey" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 04:44 Just sat and watched that podcast. Very interesting. He speaks very well and insightfully. Has used his time away from the game to look inside himself, deal with his disappointment, anger and grief. Admits he made mistakes. But obviously there were many things going on behind the scenes at Chelsea that contributed to his failure there. 
Looking forward to seeing what he can do with us now, assuming he’s actually announced. He definitely seems ready for the challenge. Quotes his style as being possession based, attacking, using young players and finding players from different markets (at Brighton). Also enjoyed working within a structured hierarchy. 
Fingers crossed. 
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True. Potter might be in for another shock. 
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John Coffey" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 04:44 Just sat and watched that podcast. Very interesting. He speaks very well and insightfully. Has used his time away from the game to look inside himself, deal with his disappointment, anger and grief. Admits he made mistakes. But obviously there were many things going on behind the scenes at Chelsea that contributed to his failure there. 
Looking forward to seeing what he can do with us now, assuming he’s actually announced. He definitely seems ready for the challenge. Quotes his style as being possession based, attacking, using young players and finding players from different markets (at Brighton). Also enjoyed working within a structured hierarchy. 
Fingers crossed. 
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Good luck to him
Change had to happen & look forward to understanding what our manager is saying 
The problems in the team are obvious with a turgid midfield & strikers with bus passes & limited mobility so hopefully those will be addressed asap 
We have enough in the squad to climb the table 
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Monsieur merde de cheval" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 04:50
John Coffey" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 04:44 Just sat and watched that podcast. Very interesting. He speaks very well and insightfully. Has used his time away from the game to look inside himself, deal with his disappointment, anger and grief. Admits he made mistakes. But obviously there were many things going on behind the scenes at Chelsea that contributed to his failure there. 
Looking forward to seeing what he can do with us now, assuming he’s actually announced. He definitely seems ready for the challenge. Quotes his style as being possession based, attacking, using young players and finding players from different markets (at Brighton). Also enjoyed working within a structured hierarchy. 
Fingers crossed. 
All very NICE and STRUCTURED 
 fuckin hell  is this the level of WHU  now???
We’ll see if any of it means anything. Won’t we. 
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John Coffey" wrote: 09 Jan 2025, 04:44 Just sat and watched that podcast. Very interesting. He speaks very well and insightfully. Has used his time away from the game to look inside himself, deal with his disappointment, anger and grief. Admits he made mistakes. But obviously there were many things going on behind the scenes at Chelsea that contributed to his failure there. 
Looking forward to seeing what he can do with us now, assuming he’s actually announced. He definitely seems ready for the challenge. Quotes his style as being possession based, attacking, using young players and finding players from different markets (at Brighton). Also enjoyed working within a structured hierarchy. 
Fingers crossed. 
All very NICE and STRUCTURED 
 fuckin hell  is this the level of WHU  now???
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