Sullivan on Transfers

[stubbo]

What a depressing return to the norm this is.  Say what you like about Steidten, but at least he could conclude a deal, and you didn't find out about it until it was mostly done.

Now he's been sidelined from any negotiation, and we've got the relic back on the case, we're back to the same old shit of big names being leaked, low ball bids for cash we dont have in the knowledge they'll never be accepted, and 'quotes' from 'sources' by the usual mouthpieces that "it's desperately hard in January" and "we're working flat out to find a striker, but times are hard".

It's not even cut and dry that Steidten's last window was a bust. 

He wasn't responsble for many end to end but got the deals done. The fraud of the manager he 'fell out with' (maybe he was just ahead of the curve on the charlatan he warned the Club off of) couldn't even get class like Paqueta or Kudus playing well...who's to say the guys he brought in aren't up to it but were just victims of the Spanish prick.  Even Rodriguez looked half decent last night, certainly like he could get a job done for us and as a freebie well worth having.  And when Sullivan wouldn't pay the extra for Duran (despite being able to find ebnough to bid for him now as to what they wanted then) he scrambled last minute to get Fullkrug in who when he's been on the pitch has been our best striker this season...and last I checked Steidten isn't in the business of conducting medicals.

But back to Sullivan....fucking depressing that his track record of failure has got him back in the transfer hotseat, demoted the guy who could sell the vision and get players over the line, and his real life game of Championship Manager is back up and running.

Until there is a concerted effort to oust him from the club, like cutting out an unsightly mole, we're blighted in all aspects.

Actually makes me angry thinking about his wither little hands, index fingers searching out the keys on his keyboard to offer grammatically disastrous risible bids to meaningful clubs around the continent, dragging our name through the mud. 

No doubt when it all fails, the parasite agents associated to him will be called to bail him out again with some washed up old hasbeen that used to sit on the bench for Barcelona.

"Razzle Dazzle" inept cսnt.

[stubbo]

Shock revelation from Ex today that Forest won't sell Awoniyi, Fulham won't sell Muniz, and we're not prepared to pay the going rate for Guessand. But we're trying desperately hard.

Sullivan at the wheel. But as usual he can't recall where he's going, has heard of loads of nice places but doesn't know how to get there, and hasn't prepped by booking somewhere to stay anyway...but should be able to rent a last minute caravan off his mate in Canvey Island, although it's a bit dilapidated with it's best years behind it. 

"although it's a bit dilapidated with it's best years behind it."

Is that Canvey Island or the caravan?

For the sake of the analogy....both are fine.

[Russ of the BML]

Shock revelation from Ex today that Forest won't sell Awoniyi, Fulham won't sell Muniz, and we're not prepared to pay the going rate for Guessand. But we're trying desperately hard.

Sullivan at the wheel. But as usual he can't recall where he's going, has heard of loads of nice places but doesn't know how to get there, and hasn't prepped by booking somewhere to stay anyway...but should be able to rent a last minute caravan off his mate in Canvey Island, although it's a bit dilapidated with it's best years behind it. 

"although it's a bit dilapidated with it's best years behind it."

Is that Canvey Island or the caravan?

[stubbo]

Shock revelation from Ex today that Forest won't sell Awoniyi, Fulham won't sell Muniz, and we're not prepared to pay the going rate for Guessand. But we're trying desperately hard.

Sullivan at the wheel. But as usual he can't recall where he's going, has heard of loads of nice places but doesn't know how to get there, and hasn't prepped by booking somewhere to stay anyway...but should be able to rent a last minute caravan off his mate in Canvey Island, although it's a bit dilapidated with it's best years behind it. 

[Massive Attack]

Wilson on loan is fine.

Not going down, not getting Europe, out of the cups….would rather spend money in the summer.

Of course he's not. Missed 172(!!!) days so far this season with injury.

If we want a guy to just pay the wages of for half a season because we've got too much money, then yes that's fine. If we want someone who can play football for us...he's not that guy. 

We've done it for Fullkrug, so why not add another drain to the Squad...

[stubbo]

Wilson on loan is fine.

Not going down, not getting Europe, out of the cups….would rather spend money in the summer.

Of course he's not. Missed 172(!!!) days so far this season with injury.

If we want a guy to just pay the wages of for half a season because we've got too much money, then yes that's fine. If we want someone who can play football for us...he's not that guy. 

[Mad Ferret]

Wilson on loan is fine.

Not going down, not getting Europe, out of the cups….would rather spend money in the summer.

[kylay]

Say what you like about Steidten, pretty sure if it was between him and Sullivan the majority would prefer Steidten as the one picking the signings and doing the negotiations.

Yea yea, same old. Steidten the saviour, Sullivan the villain. It's really fucking boring and very cringe now. Change the record.

We'd all love to change the record, but the situation isn't going to stop repeating itself until Sullivan is gone. It's of no consequence whether Steidten is or isn't good for the club. Twas always thus since the chuckle brothers arrived.

[Alwaysaniron]

What a depressing return to the norm this is.  Say what you like about Steidten, but at least he could conclude a deal, and you didn't find out about it until it was mostly done.

Now he's been sidelined from any negotiation, and we've got the relic back on the case, we're back to the same old shit of big names being leaked, low ball bids for cash we dont have in the knowledge they'll never be accepted, and 'quotes' from 'sources' by the usual mouthpieces that "it's desperately hard in January" and "we're working flat out to find a striker, but times are hard".

It's not even cut and dry that Steidten's last window was a bust. 

He wasn't responsble for many end to end but got the deals done. The fraud of the manager he 'fell out with' (maybe he was just ahead of the curve on the charlatan he warned the Club off of) couldn't even get class like Paqueta or Kudus playing well...who's to say the guys he brought in aren't up to it but were just victims of the Spanish prick.  Even Rodriguez looked half decent last night, certainly like he could get a job done for us and as a freebie well worth having.  And when Sullivan wouldn't pay the extra for Duran (despite being able to find ebnough to bid for him now as to what they wanted then) he scrambled last minute to get Fullkrug in who when he's been on the pitch has been our best striker this season...and last I checked Steidten isn't in the business of conducting medicals.

But back to Sullivan....fucking depressing that his track record of failure has got him back in the transfer hotseat, demoted the guy who could sell the vision and get players over the line, and his real life game of Championship Manager is back up and running.

Until there is a concerted effort to oust him from the club, like cutting out an unsightly mole, we're blighted in all aspects.

Actually makes me angry thinking about his wither little hands, index fingers searching out the keys on his keyboard to offer grammatically disastrous risible bids to meaningful clubs around the continent, dragging our name through the mud. 

No doubt when it all fails, the parasite agents associated to him will be called to bail him out again with some washed up old hasbeen that used to sit on the bench for Barcelona.

"Razzle Dazzle" inept cսnt.

Is that supposed to be "for Barcelona" or just in Barcelona?  I've been there once and sat on a bench, must make me in with half a shout ... 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Sullivan's approach is obviously the more professional "Well, the laws of probability state that (even) I must bag a decent striker sometime. Let's keep at it, boys."

[Lee Trundle]

I predicted Wilson could join, half as a joke and half being serious knowing how Sullivan works.

[El Scorchio]

Just seen this. Fucking hilarious and probably guaranteed to happen especially as C&H are spewing it. It's CLASSIC Sullivan. (You'll never guess who Wilson's agent is....)

Over 30? CHECK
Bad Injury history? CHECK
No resell value? CHECK
'Name' striker in the league? CHECK
Scored some goals against us? CHECK
Will Sullivan's mate get a slice of the pie? CHECK CHECK CHECK

https://www.claretandhugh.info/west-ham ... -concerns/

Salthouse? CHECK
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so we currently have three injured forwards, and the midget wants to bring in another? 
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Seems that way if his mouthpiece is trumpeting it. I actually laughed out loud when the article expressly mentioned it was Salthouse. It sounds more like a PR piece prior to a nailed on move rather than any sort of genuine news story. What's he even going to do? Make his podcast with Antonio from neighbouring hospital beds after one game?

[Takashi Miike]

Just seen this. Fucking hilarious and probably guaranteed to happen especially as C&H are spewing it. It's CLASSIC Sullivan. (You'll never guess who Wilson's agent is....)

Over 30? CHECK
Bad Injury history? CHECK
No resell value? CHECK
'Name' striker in the league? CHECK
Scored some goals against us? CHECK
Will Sullivan's mate get a slice of the pie? CHECK CHECK CHECK

https://www.claretandhugh.info/west-ham ... -concerns/

Salthouse? CHECK
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so we currently have three injured forwards, and the midget wants to bring in another? 
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[El Scorchio]

Just seen this. Fucking hilarious and probably guaranteed to happen especially as C&H are spewing it. It's CLASSIC Sullivan. (You'll never guess who Wilson's agent is....)

Over 30? CHECK
Bad Injury history? CHECK
No resell value? CHECK
'Name' striker in the league? CHECK
Scored some goals against us? CHECK
Will Sullivan's mate get a slice of the pie? CHECK CHECK CHECK

https://www.claretandhugh.info/west-ham ... -concerns/

[Mike Oxsaw]

Something I've often repeated on here, and now I've seen one or two other posters reference it: Sullivan is only interested in maintaining a PL presence - it's his guaranteed cash-cow which gives him an assured minimum income year-in, year-out, with any extra sliding down the back of his sofa.

All he needs to hear (from his agent mates) is that "This player will guarantee you PL status next year", and he'll be fully on-board.

And what does the agent care if Sullivan buys a dud? 100% certain he'll fall for the same chutzpa/marketing ploy in the next window = Kerching! Yet more agent commission.

[eusebiovic]

I suspect the clubs at the end of the dwarfs shenanigans. The potter appointment is the most telling of all . Of where the power currently lays . Dwarf dosent rate GP yet still couldn't get his way . 

I also think that the meddling, poor man's David Rappaport days as chairman might be coming to an end sooner rather than later.

Kretinsky might not be in charge yet, but he must definitely be pulling strings in the background for when the opportunity presents itself. He only needs to buy 5% of Vanessa's shares on the promise that 20% of the club under him will be far more valuable to her than 25% under Sullivan. Then he just has to make an offer for the Tripp Smith shares which are obviously just a punt to make a killing at some point when the current incumbent isn't in control.

I think Sully has always been a pain in the arse it was only David Gold who probably had a bit more diplomacy to smooth things over whenever the comandante went postal.

[Pshyco scored all 4]

I suspect the clubs at the end of the dwarfs shenanigans. The potter appointment is the most telling of all . Of where the power currently lays . Dwarf dosent rate GP yet still couldn't get his way . 

[Sir Alf]

Everything at West Ham is influenced by Sullivan which is why it will take a manager or head coach to be almost perfect to achieve material and sustained success. Problem is that the older fans seem to be the only ones that understand this although there was that article in the Guardian ( I think ) a week or so back that also talked about the disfunction Sullivan creates and how we are stuck in the past.  

The fans need to tell him to stop meddling or sell up. But how do you do that when over half the fans attending are tourists and younger fans ( in their 20s early 30s etc ) who perhaps do not understand how a modern football club should be run? 

It has to get very bad before fans are motivated to act collectively via chanting, pitch invasions etc.  Sullivan gets away with his inconpetence and self indulgence while we stay above the relegation struggles.

So only hope is Potter being smart and cunning enough to work around Sullivan and his cronies.  Potter is alleged to have very high emotional intelligence, something Moyes, BFS, Lop didnt, so that will help. He needs not to appear too smart though, Sullivan will be intimidated by that I reckon

[Russ of the BML]

Just when the fog and negativity is lifted, the ultimate cսnt Sullivan says "Hold my beer". As I said on the Moneyball thread, Sullivan uses his own system with literally no other criteria involved:

1) Who is available and fancies a move?
2) What does the selling club value the player at?
3) Will they accept 40% less of what they value the player at?

if the answer to 3 is 'no' then spend three weeks trying to get them to accept. If after 3 weeks the answer is still 'no' then revert back to stage 1.

It's so fucking tragic. I hope Potter goes into Sullivan and lends his weight to using Steidten and a more sophisticated transfer policy and approach. Potter benefitted from this at Brighton, and at one point Brighton actually had a very decent team with the likes of Caicedo, Cucurella, Trossard, Veltman, Macallister, Mwepu....All relatively unknown at time of joining Brighton and have all gone onto have succesful careers.

Surely Potter must lend his weight to that - Rather than have some old cսnt flicking through his Panini sticker album and throwing a dice to see which player it lands on. 

[Sir Alf]

Well said, Jean Luc. Spot on.

As I and others bore on relentlessly, getting the “best value” which includes going thru preferred agents to minimise agent fees is not a strategy for success on the pitch. Recruitment has to be part of a wider long term plan and vision driven from the top and everyone at the club aligned to it.  Potter will have to be successful in spite of Sullivan who has and still is the biggest impediment to progress. 

 

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

Some people will talk about Sullivan's picks that have been decent players, eg Summerville and AWB, but it's kind of missing the point. Sully will always look for the best player he can get within the budget. He won't just go for the cheapest option. Sounds fine, but the problem is that he NEVER thinks about how a player fits into the team tactics. AWB might well have been our best signing of the summer but bringing in a manager whose preferred method of attack is bunging in crosses and bringing in a striker who relies on crosses, perhaps it would have been an idea to buy a right back who likes to get forward and actually cross the ball. 

Same goes for any position in the team. If we need a defensive midfielder will Sully care if we want one who can initiate attacks by passing the ball forward or one who mainly disrupts the opposition? If we need a keeper would he care about his distribution or only his ability to save the ball? I reckon he'd just look for the "best" player he can afford who plays in that position and not think about anything else at all. And by "best" I mean based on the players reputation and recommendations he gets from agents, etc. This is how you end up with players like Ings.

[Manuel]

Say what you like about Steidten, pretty sure if it was between him and Sullivan the majority would prefer Steidten as the one picking the signings and doing the negotiations.

Yea yea, same old. Steidten the saviour, Sullivan the villain. It's really fucking boring and very cringe now. Change the record.

[scott_d]

Say what you like about Steidten, pretty sure if it was between him and Sullivan the majority would prefer Steidten as the one picking the signings and doing the negotiations.

[stubbo-admin]

[El Scorchio]

How depressing if true. It was only a matter of time until he decided to put his greasy little fingers back into the pot again. Time and time again he can't fucking help himself and just stay out of it. 

Great. He (allegedly) did Summerville and AWB. Doesn't make up for the millions and millions he's wasted on utter shit by getting it wrong, getting his pants pulled down or getting hoodwinked by his mates to gift them a slice of pie out of our coffers. Funny how he only ever tries to associate himself with transfers that seem to have worked and completely tries to disassociate himself with any that don't. I remember him boasting repeatedly about Issa Diop six months in. Went pretty fucking quiet after that on that one didn't he. He's more obsessed with crowing about 'winning' a deal than winning football matches, of that there is no doubt. Get ready for more expensive middle aged players with no resell value but 'friendly' agents.

Fucking embarrassing. We'll always be a joke while we're run like a fucking second hand car dealership with that barrow boy in charge.

Certainly not briefing his mates to shout about how he masterminded the signing of Ings is he?!

Exactly! That one is conveniently never mentioned. Along with stacks of others. We could all have seen Ings was absolutely not the right striker for us with anything like the needed attributes or skill set. Imagine he did happen to have a friendly agent though?

If someone else at the club had signed Ings they’d have been hung out to dry about it. It would have been the pathetic old ‘my family begged me not to sign him’ bullshit made up scenarios. 

[stubbo]

How depressing if true. It was only a matter of time until he decided to put his greasy little fingers back into the pot again. Time and time again he can't fucking help himself and just stay out of it. 

Great. He (allegedly) did Summerville and AWB. Doesn't make up for the millions and millions he's wasted on utter shit by getting it wrong, getting his pants pulled down or getting hoodwinked by his mates to gift them a slice of pie out of our coffers. Funny how he only ever tries to associate himself with transfers that seem to have worked and completely tries to disassociate himself with any that don't. I remember him boasting repeatedly about Issa Diop six months in. Went pretty fucking quiet after that on that one didn't he. He's more obsessed with crowing about 'winning' a deal than winning football matches, of that there is no doubt. Get ready for more expensive middle aged players with no resell value but 'friendly' agents.

Fucking embarrassing. We'll always be a joke while we're run like a fucking second hand car dealership with that barrow boy in charge.

Certainly not briefing his mates to shout about how he masterminded the signing of Ings is he?!