Nayef Aguerd - signed (30m)

[Coffee]

"OS West Ham United complete Nayef Aguerd transfer West Ham United are delighted to announce the signing of Morocco international defender Nayef Aguerd. The 26-year-old joins the Hammers from French Ligue 1 club Rennes on a five-year contract and adds further quality and depth to David Moyes‚Äô squad. He will wear the No27 shirt. Aguerd has enjoyed two impressive seasons with Rennes, enhancing the reputation he established at FUS Rabat, Dijon and with the Moroccan national team. Now, the left-sided player will continue his career in the English Premier League, where his combination of talents will see him provide strong competition for Craig Dawson, Issa Diop, Angelo Ogbonna and Kurt Zouma. ‚ÄúI was really excited when I heard about West Ham United's interest,‚Äù said Aguerd, an impressive individual who speaks fluent French, English, Arabic and Spanish. ‚ÄúWhen I heard about it, I knew I needed to go to the Premier League, because it‚Äôs a dream for every player. ‚ÄúWest Ham is a historic Club. I saw a few of their games this year, and I saw the fans and the atmosphere were fantastic, with the bubbles! ‚ÄúI talked with the manager and he showed me that he was very interested, so it was easy to choose to come to West Ham.‚Äù Aguerd was born in the city of K?©nitra in the north of Morocco into a footballing family. His father played in the Moroccan top-flight, while his uncle Abdelmajid Bouyboud was capped 34 times and appeared at the 1994 FIFA World Cup finals ‚Äì an achievement his nephew could emulate in Qatar later this year. As a boy, Aguerd represented local club KAC of K?©nitra before being scouted and recruited to the national Mohammed VI Football Academy in the capital city of Rabat, where he spent four years playing alongside the likes of Sevilla striker Youssef En-Nesyri. In 2014, aged 18, he joined leading club Rabat FUS, making 12 appearances in his debut season and attracting the attention of a host of leading Spanish clubs. After bulking up and working hard on his game, Aguerd then inspired FUS to their first-ever Moroccan Championship in May 2016, scoring a vital goal against Ittihad Tanger that all but clinched the title. After scoring in the 2017 CAF Champions League and impressing regularly for FUS over the next two seasons, Aguerd joined French Ligue 1 club Dijon in 2018. Two encouraging seasons for Les Rouges led to a transfer to Rennes, where he started the club‚Äôs first-ever UEFA Champions League match at home to Russian side Krasnodar and featured in four of six group-stage fixtures in the autumn of 2020. Aguerd has thrived at Roazhon Park, making 66 Ligue 1 appearances and helping Rennes qualify for Europe in each of the last two seasons. He scored twice in seven UEFA Europa Conference League appearances and started 31 Ligue 1 games as Rennes finished fourth last term. At international level, the defender was capped at U20 and U23 level before making his senior debut against Albania in August 2016. Two years later, he helped Morocco win the African Nations Championship on home turf. He is now a regular in the Atlas Lions‚Äô starting XI with 25 senior caps and was an ever-present in Morocco‚Äôs successful 2022 World Cup qualifying campaign and run to the 2021 CAF Africa Cup of Nations quarter-finals. Everyone at West Ham United would like to welcome Nayef to London Stadium and wish him all the best for his career in Claret and Blue."

[Takashi Miike]

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[eusebiovic]

There's a good player in there somewhere but he started off on a bad foot injuring his ankle in pre season against Rangers (Moyes chucking him in straight away days after he signed in his usual cunty way) and Aguerd always seemed to be playing catch-up thereafter.

Dinosaur tactics and a team who conceded territory despite allegedly attempting to keep the lines tight didn't help matters much.

It wasn't all bad though...the few good games he had were very notable indeed.

[Russ of the BML]

For me, a back three of Todibo KIlman and Aguerd is decent. 

[goose]

depends how often those moments happen.

mavrapanos is good for pretty much one per game at the moment.
basic errors are nothing to do with tactics or formations etc etc.

 

Which is why I asked does he make those errors in his national side?
If he made those clangers regularly for stuggart and it was that obvious why did we buy him?
people making out it was an obvious bad buy. Hindsight being 20/20 maybe?

anyways, I’d rather play Todibo when fit. And if have a youth player who can step
up I’d go for that too. Scarles looks good already , maybe there’s more of that in the academy somewhere?
 

when we bought him there was a german poster on another site who warned about his ability to drop a clanger. Arsenal got rid for a reason.

i think Aguerd is a very talented footballer who is just not suited to the PL.

[threesixty]

depends how often those moments happen.

mavrapanos is good for pretty much one per game at the moment.
basic errors are nothing to do with tactics or formations etc etc.

 

 

Which is why I asked does he make those errors in his national side?
If he made those clangers regularly for stuggart and it was that obvious why did we buy him?
people making out it was an obvious bad buy. Hindsight being 20/20 maybe?

anyways, I’d rather play Todibo when fit. And if have a youth player who can step
up I’d go for that too. Scarles looks good already , maybe there’s more of that in the academy somewhere?
 

[goose]

depends how often those moments happen.

mavrapanos is good for pretty much one per game at the moment.
basic errors are nothing to do with tactics or formations etc etc.

[threesixty]

"And with the unreliable Mavropanos patrolling Stuttgart’s backline, the home side really fancied their chances. And he was at fault for Stuttgart's second goal. While he could have done better to prevent Dominick Drexler’s headed opener from Michael Frey’s cross, it’s Marius Bülter's sensational, yet avoidable backheel flick that he should be held accountable for. Why did he not stick his boot out? Why did he not attack the ball? Why was he so far away from Schalke’s centre-forward? Why did he not anticipate the move? Sure, Borna Sosa was left trailing too easily by Rodrigo Zalazar. But the Arsenal misfit had to handle the situation much better than what he did. He defended like a rookie and was beaten to the low cross way too cheaply."

 

 

Pretty much every defender has those moments. Most goals are defensive errors after all. 

I’m just wondering whether it’s more frequent than others, and if it’s based on the system and not just a brain fart once a match. 

I can’t tell sometimes because over the last few years we’ve shipped so many goals with pretty much EVERY defender we put in there. So looking for the common denominator here. It’s too simple to just say “he’s shit, he’s shit” all the time. 

but at 

[Eerie Decent]

Come on goose, you can't blame him for those mistakes, he was no doubt playing in a system that didn't suit him. We've seen it before, a lad who prefers playing in a back 4, all of a sudden he's stuck in a back 5, and he wallops a 50 yard screamer past his own goalkeeper.

[goose]

"And with the unreliable Mavropanos patrolling Stuttgart’s backline, the home side really fancied their chances. And he was at fault for Stuttgart's second goal. While he could have done better to prevent Dominick Drexler’s headed opener from Michael Frey’s cross, it’s Marius Bülter's sensational, yet avoidable backheel flick that he should be held accountable for. Why did he not stick his boot out? Why did he not attack the ball? Why was he so far away from Schalke’s centre-forward? Why did he not anticipate the move? Sure, Borna Sosa was left trailing too easily by Rodrigo Zalazar. But the Arsenal misfit had to handle the situation much better than what he did. He defended like a rookie and was beaten to the low cross way too cheaply."

[goose]

BERLIN – VfB Stuttgart defender Konstantinos Mavropanos left his teammates stunned as he scored a 48-metre own goal with a no-look pass in a German Cup clash against second-division side Paderborn on Tuesday.The Greek international, 25, steered the ball from near the right touchline past his own goalkeeper Florian Muller after a fourth-minute throw in.The German Football Federation tweeted it was the furthest distance for an own goal in the competition’s history.To the former Arsenal man’s relief, Stuttgart fought back with late goals from Gil Dias and Serhou Guirassy to sneak a 2-1 win and reach the quarter-finals.“It was a memorable start with the own goal. A real setback. Konstantinos will be telling his grandchildren about it,” Stuttgart sports director Fabian Wohlgemuth told Sky TV.

[Eerie Decent]

It's not my word you have to take for it, it's a German bloke who watches German football.

Mores to the point, it's hard to argue against what we can all see with our fucking eyes. You are arguing against grass being green, but then again, you've always had form for that.

[threesixty]

Mavropanos was making clangers at Stuttgart, he was making clangers under Moyes, and now he's making mistakes under Potter. And if you were going to compare him, you would say he's closer to Zouma and Dawson in style.

Aguerd's problem wasn't the system, it was English football. He's not strong enough, he was a rag doll over here, the game is too physical, which led to an absolute catalogue of errors.

Yes, I do know best.

I dont know who to believe here, you (unknown expert sporting consultant)
or....

https://totalfootballanalysis.com/playe ... is-tactics

There are a few players, though, that still hold the hope for a better outcome at the end of the season and do their best in each game. One of them is the centre defender Konstantinos Mavropanos. The Arsenal loanee is the best performer for Stuttgart in the 2021/22 campaign so far, not only due to providing defensive stability but also contributing to the attacking actions.Despite his position in the back three, he is currently the team’s top goalscorer with four goals, which shows his versatility but also underlines Stuttgart’s struggles in possession. Mavropanos’ decision making and confidence have helped the team in scoring on a few occasions, but it has also affected their vulnerable defensive performance positively as he is one of the most active players out of possession.

 

Have to take your word for it as to the clangers at Stuggart.. 

[Far Cough UKunt]

If there's a choice between Aguerd or Mavropanos, it isn't the walking Greek ricket, that's for sure.

[Eerie Decent]

Mavropanos was making clangers at Stuttgart, he was making clangers under Moyes, and now he's making mistakes under Potter. And if you were going to compare him, you would say he's closer to Zouma and Dawson in style.

Aguerd's problem wasn't the system, it was English football. He's not strong enough, he was a rag doll over here, the game is too physical, which led to an absolute catalogue of errors.

Yes, I do know best.

[threesixty]

The last time I watched Greece play, John Travolta was up front.

Like it matters how he plays for Greece, and as if any of us watch their games, you plank. Everyone is raving over Potter, myself included, yet the lad is still making glaring errors as he has done since the day he turned up. He has all the physical attributes, but unfortunately at his age, he will always be error prone too regularly. Apparently (according to a German) he was known for these brainfarts whilst at Stuttgart.

Aguerd won't cut it in English football, he turns 29 soon, so cash in while we can and let him play in that non contact league.

 

 

 

 

Of course it matters. Different systems, different management etc. You want to find out if it's an overall problem with his game. We have just seen Aguerd go to Spain and not make the mistakes he was making under Moyes in this league. The common denominator for years is we have been asking all our defenders to defend wave after wave of attacks. It's not normal. No other team in Europe plays like that. I'm not surprised defenders who play for us make clangers all day but not in other teams. Kherer was the same, German international, 1st choice RB for them, played for Moyes, looks like shit.
I think we had the same issue with Diop, who looked better at Fulham but again, clangers for us.
There's a pattern there, it's pretty obvious.

In fact the only defenders we've had since the Moyes era that you could rely on was Dawson and Zouma. Dawson, who was as basic as it gets which is why he did so well here. And Zouma who, if it wasnt for his wooden leg would have been one of the best defenders in world football.

Anyways.. you know best!

[Eerie Decent]

Not in English football for me, Russ.

We really do need to remember just how consistently bad he was. As someone mentioned, the Newcastle game when we shipped 5 I think it was, and his hat-trick for Man Utd against us were as bad as it gets.

[Russ of the BML]

Apologies, I hadn't realised it was that easy.

So why is everyone so strung up on Mavropanos making mistakes? He'll be like Baresi in no time given how easy it is to coach out of him.

Does anyone else think this isn't actually Ed? 

Fraser, I'm hardly important enough for anyone to care for fuck sake, but yes, it is.

I still think Soucek is shit.

Eerie - I genuinely believe that Aguerd in a 3 at the back in a possession based team is a good player. 

[Eerie Decent]

why cant you coach out basic defensive errors? It's a concentration issue, it can be dealt with if they're given time. Maguire seems to have stopped making howlers every week

Apologies, I hadn't realised it was that easy.

So why is everyone so strung up on Mavropanos making mistakes? He'll be like Baresi in no time given how easy it is to coach out of him.

Does anyone else think this isn't actually Ed? 

Fraser, I'm hardly important enough for anyone to care for fuck sake, but yes, it is.

I still think Soucek is shit.

[Eerie Decent]

The last time I watched Greece play, John Travolta was up front.

Like it matters how he plays for Greece, and as if any of us watch their games, you plank. Everyone is raving over Potter, myself included, yet the lad is still making glaring errors as he has done since the day he turned up. He has all the physical attributes, but unfortunately at his age, he will always be error prone too regularly. Apparently (according to a German) he was known for these brainfarts whilst at Stuttgart.

Aguerd won't cut it in English football, he turns 29 soon, so cash in while we can and let him play in that non contact league.

[fraser]

why cant you coach out basic defensive errors? It's a concentration issue, it can be dealt with if they're given time. Maguire seems to have stopped making howlers every week

Apologies, I hadn't realised it was that easy.

So why is everyone so strung up on Mavropanos making mistakes? He'll be like Baresi in no time given how easy it is to coach out of him.

Does anyone else think this isn't actually Ed? 

[threesixty]

why cant you coach out basic defensive errors? It's a concentration issue, it can be dealt with if they're given time. Maguire seems to have stopped making howlers every week

Apologies, I hadn't realised it was that easy.

So why is everyone so strung up on Mavropanos making mistakes? He'll be like Baresi in no time given how easy it is to coach out of him.

 

 

Does he make the same errors playing for Greece? 

[Eerie Decent]

why cant you coach out basic defensive errors? It's a concentration issue, it can be dealt with if they're given time. Maguire seems to have stopped making howlers every week

Apologies, I hadn't realised it was that easy.

So why is everyone so strung up on Mavropanos making mistakes? He'll be like Baresi in no time given how easy it is to coach out of him.

[Django]

Mavropanos is in top five worst centre backs we've had at the club, makes a vital mistake every other game. 

Behave. He’s had some decent games for us. He’s certainly not in a category that includes - Roger Johnson, Margas, Breen, Mackay, Davenport etc….

Add to that list George Hilton and Gary Strodder and probably the brainless Thomas Repka.

Yep. And Andy Melville, Hayden Foxe, Rigobert Song and Da Costa

[goose]

Was it Newcastle at home where Aguerd was especially bad? I think we got done for 5 that day.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Mavropanos is in top five worst centre backs we've had at the club, makes a vital mistake every other game. 

Behave. He’s had some decent games for us. He’s certainly not in a category that includes - Roger Johnson, Margas, Breen, Mackay, Davenport etc….

Add to that list George Hilton and Gary Strodder and probably the brainless Thomas Repka.