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Frankly I'd rather watch the way Potter has us setup playing football, than watch the way Moyes set us up. Even in ght Conference league final....take that occasion away, and our performance was borderline unwatchable...it was only the occasion that made it ok. That plus the batterings when the players got tired of it.
It can work for a while with siege mentality set in, and everyone battling for the cause...but like an office worker putting in overtime for a few days to get something over the line....when that becomes the norm and days turn into weeks and months, they fatigue, swtich off, want out, and it falls apart. The same will happen for Moyes at Everton as the way he plays football and his whole mentality is totally unsustainable long term, and nothing like what the players their will have grown up wanting to be involved in.
Delighted he's gone. Delighted the only time I'll see him at a West Ham game is when he's setting up his latest charges for a 30% posession, passive, smash and grab attempt.
Potter said the other day (or words to this effect):
"I think the fans want to watch attacking football. But when we don't have the ball, they also want us to be aggressive in getting the ball back and working hard".
The bloke has immediately grasped what fans at a club like ours are interested in, more so than winning trophies. If you want to follow a club that wins stuff....we're not really that club.
It can work for a while with siege mentality set in, and everyone battling for the cause...but like an office worker putting in overtime for a few days to get something over the line....when that becomes the norm and days turn into weeks and months, they fatigue, swtich off, want out, and it falls apart. The same will happen for Moyes at Everton as the way he plays football and his whole mentality is totally unsustainable long term, and nothing like what the players their will have grown up wanting to be involved in.
Delighted he's gone. Delighted the only time I'll see him at a West Ham game is when he's setting up his latest charges for a 30% posession, passive, smash and grab attempt.
Potter said the other day (or words to this effect):
"I think the fans want to watch attacking football. But when we don't have the ball, they also want us to be aggressive in getting the ball back and working hard".
The bloke has immediately grasped what fans at a club like ours are interested in, more so than winning trophies. If you want to follow a club that wins stuff....we're not really that club.
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Completely agree with Russ.
Let’s see where Everton are this time next year.
At some point it will turn ugly, and he will remind everyone how he “saved” them from relegation, when they weren’t in any real danger.
I don’t want to come across as a Moyes hater. We had some good times. But his time was up with us. We were only going one way, and doing it in a shit, boring fashion. The myth that has been built up around him has become incredible.
Let’s see where Everton are this time next year.
At some point it will turn ugly, and he will remind everyone how he “saved” them from relegation, when they weren’t in any real danger.
I don’t want to come across as a Moyes hater. We had some good times. But his time was up with us. We were only going one way, and doing it in a shit, boring fashion. The myth that has been built up around him has become incredible.
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Much more chance of Nuno lifting a trophy with Forest.
Good manager at a proper club.
Good manager at a proper club.
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Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑13 Feb 2025, 10:39 As I said before, Everton right now is perfect club for Moyes. Their only expectation level is to stay in PL. Nothing more. That's pretty much the level he works at. They have fuck all money so he has no expectation to go out and get decent transfer business done. They have a small, limited squad with very little depth and so he works with a core of players. It's fucking teed up perfectly for him. He is in his element and can't lose. That's when Moyes comes into his own. When he has low expectation and a book full of excuses if or when it goes wrong. As it stands, right now its going right and he will be the Moyesiah. He will keep them in the PL. No doubt.
Roll forward to next season. They move home. New stadium. New chapter. New expectation. There will come a point when the Everton fans will demand to see a return for the move. I am sure they have been given the drivel of bigger stadium, bigger attendance, bigger returns, better players. If that turns out to be the case, that's when Moyes will start to struggle. If Everton do turn it around financially and they do start to spend some decent money and get in some decent players, that is when things will turn toxic for Moyes. And I can just see him now peddling the old "This is Everton. At least we're not in relegation battle" bollocks.
That's it. When things have been so bad that all you crave is a positive result no matter how you obtain it, then he's perfect. When the expectation is low and you're happy to see it ground out in an ugly draw or 1-0 win, then it's perfect to sit through anything just to go home happy. It's when expectations of performances as well kick in that it becomes tedious and uninspiring and painful even to watch.
When you expect to be on the back foot all the time even against the other worst sides in the division you can look past it but when you expect to be the aggressor and play some football, then you just cannot.
When you expect to be on the back foot all the time even against the other worst sides in the division you can look past it but when you expect to be the aggressor and play some football, then you just cannot.
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Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑13 Feb 2025, 10:39Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑13 Feb 2025, 10:34 Yeah I agree completely with that Everton and him are a perfect match.
He's stopped milking the Conference League win in every interview, which I suppose he had to do after taking that job.A matter of time before he lifts a trophy with them, once they get in to the new stadium.
yup, his CV is littered with trophies won...........................
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Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑13 Feb 2025, 10:34 Yeah I agree completely with that Everton and him are a perfect match.
He's stopped milking the Conference League win in every interview, which I suppose he had to do after taking that job.
A matter of time before he lifts a trophy with them, once they get in to the new stadium.
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As I said before, Everton right now is perfect club for Moyes. Their only expectation level is to stay in PL. Nothing more. That's pretty much the level he works at. They have fuck all money so he has no expectation to go out and get decent transfer business done. They have a small, limited squad with very little depth and so he works with a core of players. It's fucking teed up perfectly for him. He is in his element and can't lose. That's when Moyes comes into his own. When he has low expectation and a book full of excuses if or when it goes wrong. As it stands, right now its going right and he will be the Moyesiah. He will keep them in the PL. No doubt.
Roll forward to next season. They move home. New stadium. New chapter. New expectation. There will come a point when the Everton fans will demand to see a return for the move. I am sure they have been given the drivel of bigger stadium, bigger attendance, bigger returns, better players. If that turns out to be the case, that's when Moyes will start to struggle. If Everton do turn it around financially and they do start to spend some decent money and get in some decent players, that is when things will turn toxic for Moyes. And I can just see him now peddling the old "This is Everton. At least we're not in relegation battle" bollocks.
Roll forward to next season. They move home. New stadium. New chapter. New expectation. There will come a point when the Everton fans will demand to see a return for the move. I am sure they have been given the drivel of bigger stadium, bigger attendance, bigger returns, better players. If that turns out to be the case, that's when Moyes will start to struggle. If Everton do turn it around financially and they do start to spend some decent money and get in some decent players, that is when things will turn toxic for Moyes. And I can just see him now peddling the old "This is Everton. At least we're not in relegation battle" bollocks.
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Yeah I agree completely with that Everton and him are a perfect match.
He's stopped milking the Conference League win in every interview, which I suppose he had to do after taking that job.
He's stopped milking the Conference League win in every interview, which I suppose he had to do after taking that job.
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Lee Trundle" wrote: ↑13 Feb 2025, 09:50 We rarely got that performance under Moyes.
Listening to him after the game reminded me what a dour, negative bloke he was with us. All he pretty much did was talk about keeping Everton in the league.
take your point, but must admit I've been mildly impressed how modest he has been after games, not been bigging himself up at all. Everton is def the right club for him.
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Will always be grateful for all the Euro trips and trophy.
Glad he's doing well at Everton.
Glad he's doing well at Everton.
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We rarely got that performance under Moyes.
Listening to him after the game reminded me what a dour, negative bloke he was with us. All he pretty much did was talk about keeping Everton in the league.
Listening to him after the game reminded me what a dour, negative bloke he was with us. All he pretty much did was talk about keeping Everton in the league.
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Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑13 Feb 2025, 09:17 goose, why focus on 4 negative results?
His tenure here was a roaring success, which peaked at us winning European honours.
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it was a roaring success for two years and then went wrong.
those 4 results were all in his last 5 months of management - there are plenty of others over the last two seasons he was in charge.
watching Everton last night made me think "why were we so shit for the last two years under Moyes?".
lets be honest, it was a scrappy and niggly game which was very low on true quality.
those 4 results were all in his last 5 months of management - there are plenty of others over the last two seasons he was in charge.
watching Everton last night made me think "why were we so shit for the last two years under Moyes?".
lets be honest, it was a scrappy and niggly game which was very low on true quality.
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goose, why focus on 4 negative results?
His tenure here was a roaring success, which peaked at us winning European honours.
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His tenure here was a roaring success, which peaked at us winning European honours.
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Watching Everton last night did make me think it's true what they say - 'You don't know what you've got until it's gone'.
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Lynn on TS must be feeling a bit daft now. I know most will say they don't care but to be below Everton is a fucking joke. Come on Potter, enough talking now, we need to beat Brentford.
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Why are people still even talking about Moyes?
Any west ham fan who would still want him at our club is some sort of cսnt.
He's back at his level and can now continue in his quest to make it 100 games without a win against top 4 sides away from home.
What a guy.
Any west ham fan who would still want him at our club is some sort of cսnt.
He's back at his level and can now continue in his quest to make it 100 games without a win against top 4 sides away from home.
What a guy.