VAR - can it be saved?

[Coffee]

"A lot of people think it should be scrapped, but don't want it to disappear. It's got things going for it - reversing ref cock-ups - but then makes new cock-ups of its own. Makes you want to pull your hair out, if you've got hair. Would you like to see it go, or should it stay?"

[LongTimeUser]

Mike Oxsaw 10:10 Fri Mar 15 the day is coming!!

[Vexed]

"VAR offsides given by a toenail with blurry lines that ain't even fucking straight are the main thing that's ruining the game. If the pricks looking at it were competent it would be much better. The two handball decisions we didn't get in the last couple of weeks were fucking outrageous, VA ought to ha e awarded two pens there. Egregious fucking shit."

[Mike Oxsaw]

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[Lee Trundle]

"North Bank 3:08 Thu Mar 14 ""you say we can't go back to the days before VAR, why not?"" 2 words. GRAVY TRAIN You've even got Mark Clattenburg milking it as a ""referee analyst"" at Nottingham Forest as a result of this."

[Helmut Shown]

"VAR is a machine. It is not VAR making mistakes, its the fuckwits sitting in front of the screens. VAR is there because they fucked up in the first place. To add insult to injury they put arch fuckwit Mike Dean in charge of it. Luckily they got rid of him but then Sky stepped in and gave the odious cսnt a job pontificating on other referees. Hasn't the wanker got a mirror in his house. The PGMOL has a brief from the FA and the sponsors to make sure the ""right"" teams get into Europe. This means its members have the difficult task of telling the punters black is white. So Wolves, Brighton, West Ham, and any other team who have tge audacity to challenge Liverpool and Manchester United have to swallow it."

[Gaffer58]

"Liverpool supporter here ( only joking) but if I was I would say, “it’s the best thing since sliced bread, cannot understand why fans of other clubs complain as we seem to agree with VAR as 90% of decisions go our way”"

[Manuel]

"Yea incorrect sending off's are a true stain. The ref gives a yellow for a bad challenge which most seem happy enough with but then var turns into ''grass'' mode - ''fucking hell ref you can't let him get away with that, go and have another look and send the cսnt off and ruin the game for everybody.'' Wankers."

[Eerie Descent]

"Incorrect sending offs are what truly ruin a game unfairly, as a spectacle the game is completely changed, that and goalline technology is all it should be there for. Everything is is ref & lino call, to keep the emotion in the game. It really is that simple. If you asked, the majority of fans would agree, only a few dullards like coma that wouldn't agree."

[wils]

"It offers nothing to the game. It doesn't fix the problem of dodgy decisions it just pushes the dodgy decisions to Stockley Park and the fans lose out on the drama of goals. Proper technology like the offside tech in the world cup is good, or the goal line tech. Anything that removes interpretation and give definitive judgements is welcome but VAR can get in the bin. There's a rather good Twitter thread from one of our own fans present at the Brighton game just before Covid where she muses on the philosophy of why VAR can never achieve what it promises. A pertinent quote from it: ""So in the worst-case scenario, VAR undermines the legitimacy of human judgement without replacing it with anything better. Far from removing arbitrary human judgement, VAR simply emphasises just how arbitrary it is."" https://twitter.com/daisychristo/status/1223648194019631104?lang=en"

[kylay]

"CARTERS 2:37 Thu Mar 14 That's exactly right. The first sport I can remember it being implemented is gridiron football, and it has ruined that sport. It has changed the way officials call the games anywhere it is implemented. It presents a false impression of removing errors from the game, and as many have pointed out, it sucks the air out of the spontaneity and joy from the game. Get rid of it. Calls will still be missed, but the game will be more fun. Every once in a while copa america or some other competition won't have VAR for whatever reason, and it's always a reminder of how bad it is now with VAR."

[pdbis]

Scrap VAR and get fit officials who have good eyesight.

[Manuel]

"BRANDED - Yep, looking forward to it. I couldn't get that much into last season as I maintain the Conference League is a joke competition, highlighted by the fact that Aston Villa are not getting any press, but this is the real thing. have to be in the QF/SF draw tomorrow."

[carters]

"The other issue I forgot in my post is: The officials today, compared to 20 years ago, are so pathetic they fuck up and say to themselves, ""Oh well. -VAR will sort it, In a nutshell they don'r."

[BRANDED]

Like a child in a sweet shop Manuel Only downside is we’ve had to find another place as they dont like us too near the away fans in European games further dampening the atmosphere. You?

[BRANDED]

(nt)

[Manuel]

"BRANDED - You all fired up for tonight, bet you're buzzing??"

[ludo21]

Do away with the VAR officials but just have a 2nd ref who looks at anything contentious and asks the on field ref to look at it again... ref then looks at the screen and gets another look. On field ref then makes all the decisions... no VAR recommendations or stigma attached to changing mind etc...

[BRANDED]

"Here’s my take. In theory, the officials should be there to get a fair outcome. If there is doubt about the fairness then another system that is better should be found. Captain or Manager objections could be one but there needs to be a penalty for cuntishness. In the ground VAR is a killer of everything joyful about being a supporter. If I were to keep it I would restrict its time to 30 seconds to overturn or confirm categorically without doubt a decision. This might not be the fairest implementation but it would stop the worst nonsense."

[Yorkammer]

"Needs a 30 second time limit from the VAR officials. Decision is then clear handball, not handball or take a look ref and decide on your own in no more than 30 seconds. Taking 3 minutes to ask the ref to take a look followed by a couple of minutes of discussion before making a decision is ridiculous."

[Manuel]

"I still think there are some goals where you can see live it was a good goal, but yea most of them you can't be sure but you still get players and fans celebrating wildly still, let's be honest.."

[North Bank]

", you say we can't go back to the days before VAR, why not? The officials still make mistakes even with VAR, we've had quite a few so far his season?"

[North Bank]

", you say we can't go back to the days before VAR, why not? The officials still make mistakes even with VAR, we've had quite a few so far his season?"

[62Hammer]

"We score a goal in the last minute of a European Final and I can't celebrate because of waiting for VAR. It's given, I celebrate, but the moment has gone, you can't get that immediate reaction back. Same every game. I hate it."

[Nagel]

"No. It can't be saved. It's a shit idea, badly implemented. Probably the thing it's most commonly used for is offside, and it's meant that linesmen often don't call out clear offsides ""just in case"", so the game goes on even though it will get pulled back eventually. And then they spend fucking ages deciding whether it is actually offside or not. Seems like the actual point of having an offside rule has been forgotten. It was supposed to stop the game being boring, with hoofball/goal hanging as the only tactic. If an attacker is just a few inches ahead of the defender, so what? Obviously it's different when there's clear daylight between players and a massive advantage to the attacker, but the linesmen can usually spot them easy enough."

[zico]

Reason also why it works in Tennis is players are limited to three challenges each in each set I think. Otherwise they would be challenging an awful lot of calls. Maybe VAR should limit managers to three challenges in the game or something similar.