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[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Lee Trundle]

Economically inactive is a bit harsh.

They seem to spend a fucking fortune in Sports Direct.

You sure they're spending anything though?

I thought they just rush in, grab what they want, and rush out?

[WHU(Exeter)]

Economically inactive is a bit harsh.

They seem to spend a fucking fortune in Sports Direct.

[Eerie Decent]

'However those migrant low skilled workers tend to be the ones that are orderlies, nurses, nursing assistans and porters in our hospitals'

Agreed but isn't this a circular argument?  The only reason we need more of the jobs listed is because we have over 10M people in this country who weren't born here, plus their dependants.  Had we had a sensible immigration policy over the last 20 years then we wouldn't need to import even more low paid workers to care for the people who have arrived in that time.

Bullseye.

Not only that, the number of dependents far outweighs the extra staff that need employing, hence why our healthcare system is absolutely shocking.

And no, it's not due to lack of funds, not when you've got roles like 'Diversity Officer', for which some are paid over £100k a year.

[goose]

'However those migrant low skilled workers tend to be the ones that are orderlies, nurses, nursing assistans and porters in our hospitals'

Agreed but isn't this a circular argument?  The only reason we need more of the jobs listed is because we have over 10M people in this country who weren't born here, plus their dependants.  Had we had a sensible immigration policy over the last 20 years then we wouldn't need to import even more low paid workers to care for the people who have arrived in that time.

Exactly. 
We’re not swapping them for low skilled native workers here, you’re just adding to the tax burden with every person.

and let’s not pretend they’re all working in hospitals here. There’s almost 2m economically inactive.

[Cony Tottee]

'However those migrant low skilled workers tend to be the ones that are orderlies, nurses, nursing assistans and porters in our hospitals'

Agreed but isn't this a circular argument?  The only reason we need more of the jobs listed is because we have over 10M people in this country who weren't born here, plus their dependants.  Had we had a sensible immigration policy over the last 20 years then we wouldn't need to import even more low paid workers to care for the people who have arrived in that time.

[goose]

And how does that cost differ from the Low Skilled UK nationals children's health care and education exactly?

Carry on name calling when completely missing the point.. top work!

Again its clear from people's posts that its not the cost to the UK thats the issue its that they are immigrants.

How is it clear Billy? Nobody has said anything that isn’t factual about immigration and immigrants.

There are already low skilled workers in the UK, why would you choose to import more?

I was referring to Surfaces angry response but if the cap fits!!

Yep I agree and those low paid low skilled workers whether migrants or UK nationals are a drain.  However those migrant low skilled workers tend to be the ones that are orderlies, nurses, nursing assistans and porters in our hospitals because the UK low skilled dont want to do those jobs so we have to fill those employment gaps.

 

 

Pointing out that they have dependents who require health & education is fair comment I would say.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

It's not their education expense that's the issue, it's the education of their children, their children's healthcare and their own healthcare, you utter moron.

And how does that cost differ from the Low Skilled UK nationals children's health care and education exactly?

Carry on name calling when completely missing the point.. top work!

Again its clear from people's posts that its not the cost to the UK thats the issue its that they are immigrants.

How is it clear Billy? Nobody has said anything that isn’t factual about immigration and immigrants.

There are already low skilled workers in the UK, why would you choose to import more?

I was referring to Surfaces angry response but if the cap fits!!

Yep I agree and those low paid low skilled workers whether migrants or UK nationals are a drain.  However those migrant low skilled workers tend to be the ones that are orderlies, nurses, nursing assistans and porters in our hospitals because the UK low skilled dont want to do those jobs so we have to fill those employment gaps.

[goose]

 

Yes and if you read through it those are not actual costs they are predictions based on low skilled workers earning half the uk average.

However, migrants earning the average UK wage actually generate a bigger surplus than people born here, mainly because they have not incurred costs for education or healthcare in childhood. 

It's not their education expense that's the issue, it's the education of their children, their children's healthcare and their own healthcare, you utter moron.

And how does that cost differ from the Low Skilled UK nationals children's health care and education exactly?

Carry on name calling when completely missing the point.. top work!

Again its clear from people's posts that its not the cost to the UK thats the issue its that they are immigrants.

How is it clear Billy? Nobody has said anything that isn’t factual about immigration and immigrants.

There are already low skilled workers in the UK, why would you choose to import more?

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/0 ... nerations/

The Times

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/ar ... -252gxprv6

both are quite clear that the U.K. since 2020 has imported largely low skilled migrants and their dependents.

 

Yes and if you read through it those are not actual costs they are predictions based on low skilled workers earning half the uk average.

However, migrants earning the average UK wage actually generate a bigger surplus than people born here, mainly because they have not incurred costs for education or healthcare in childhood. 

It's not their education expense that's the issue, it's the education of their children, their children's healthcare and their own healthcare, you utter moron.

And how does that cost differ from the Low Skilled UK nationals children's health care and education exactly?

Carry on name calling when completely missing the point.. top work!

Again its clear from people's posts that its not the cost to the UK thats the issue its that they are immigrants.

[Lee Trundle]

What's the reasoning on Pickled posting under another username?

Did I miss something?

[Lee Trundle]

Reckon life might work out better for you if you ignored what he says, and (if you have to) comment on what he does, Hammer I am.

If what you and others have constantly said over and over is true, then Trump always delivers on what he says he will do, so where's the sense in ignoring what he says Mr Trundle?

I said that, did I?

I reckon you have an issue with what happens in reality, and what goes on in your head.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

 

Ha ha ... Yes I thought that might wind you up!!!!

Hmmm Is that really from the OBR I googled it and found that statement in the CPS report which is in no way impartial its the Tory think tank and probably not based on any facts I also found it in a report from the Centre for Migration Control a right wing think tank whose name sums them up.

Id say it was scare mongering and Ill stick to the stuff I posted thanks! But nice try!

Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/0 ... nerations/

The Times

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/ar ... -252gxprv6

both are quite clear that the U.K. since 2020 has imported largely low skilled migrants and their dependents.

 

Yes and if you read through it those are not actual costs they are predictions based on low skilled workers earning half the uk average.

However, migrants earning the average UK wage actually generate a bigger surplus than people born here, mainly because they have not incurred costs for education or healthcare in childhood. 

It's not their education expense that's the issue, it's the education of their children, their children's healthcare and their own healthcare, you utter moron.

[Hammer I am]

Reckon life might work out better for you if you ignored what he says, and (if you have to) comment on what he does, Hammer I am.

If what you and others have constantly said over and over is true, then Trump always delivers on what he says he will do, so where's the sense in ignoring what he says Mr Trundle?

[Lee Trundle]

Reckon life might work out better for you if you ignored what he says, and (if you have to) comment on what he does, Hammer I am.

[Hammer I am]

Donald Trump's 'vision for Gaza' is branded a 'grotesque fantasy' after president posted AI generated video | Daily Mail Online

Video that Trump posted on "Truth" Social has to be seen to be believed, including a 100 foot Trump golden statue, at least some on here will finally be able to worship their golden idol. Crass isn't even the word

[goose]

 

 

 

Yes and if you read through it those are not actual costs they are predictions based on low skilled workers earning half the uk average.

However, migrants earning the average UK wage actually generate a bigger surplus than people born here, mainly because they have not incurred costs for education or healthcare in childhood. 

Completely ignoring the fact that their dependents will incur cost of education & healthcare before the wage earners have contributed anything.

Low skilled migrants are net consumers of tax resources. That’s a fact. The numbers have grown massively, that’s also a fact.

Just the same as low skilled UK nationals then only theyll already have incurred health and education costs.

Next time you or members of your family are in hospital Id check the nurses, cleaners and orderlies to see if they were migrants and then refuse treatment on that basis. Also a large number of Drs and consultants. But you cherry pick them to suit your argument.

Good luck!

Yes Billy, a sensible immigration policy would be to import high skilled migrants who contribute.
As proven, the opposite is happening in this country.

we have plenty of low skilled workers without importing more (and their dependents).

[BillyJenningsBoots]

 

 

 

Yes and if you read through it those are not actual costs they are predictions based on low skilled workers earning half the uk average.

However, migrants earning the average UK wage actually generate a bigger surplus than people born here, mainly because they have not incurred costs for education or healthcare in childhood. 

Completely ignoring the fact that their dependents will incur cost of education & healthcare before the wage earners have contributed anything.

Low skilled migrants are net consumers of tax resources. That’s a fact. The numbers have grown massively, that’s also a fact.

Just the same as low skilled UK nationals then only theyll already have incurred health and education costs.

Next time you or members of your family are in hospital Id check the nurses, cleaners and orderlies to see if they were migrants and then refuse treatment on that basis. Also a large number of Drs and consultants. But you cherry pick them to suit your argument.

Good luck!

[goose]

 

 

 

Yes and if you read through it those are not actual costs they are predictions based on low skilled workers earning half the uk average.

However, migrants earning the average UK wage actually generate a bigger surplus than people born here, mainly because they have not incurred costs for education or healthcare in 

Completely ignoring the fact that their dependents will incur cost of education & healthcare before the wage earners have contributed anything.

Low skilled migrants are net consumers of tax resources. That’s a fact. The numbers have grown massively, that’s also a fact.

There’s 1.7m economically inactive migrants in this country that cost £20bn when you include healthcare & education.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Firstly, mega lolz @ the last paragraph. Did you actually read it before posting?

secondly, more recent data from the OBR paints a different story which reflects the wave of low skilled migrants who are bringing in multiple dependents. For every £1 they contribute they take out £1.86.

“Post Brexit the cost of the public services and welfare they consume, representing a net fiscal cost of £8,200 for every UK household”

 

Ha ha ... Yes I thought that might wind you up!!!!

Hmmm Is that really from the OBR I googled it and found that statement in the CPS report which is in no way impartial its the Tory think tank and probably not based on any facts I also found it in a report from the Centre for Migration Control a right wing think tank whose name sums them up.

Id say it was scare mongering and Ill stick to the stuff I posted thanks! But nice try!

Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/0 ... nerations/

The Times

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/ar ... -252gxprv6

both are quite clear that the U.K. since 2020 has imported largely low skilled migrants and their dependents.

 

 

Yes and if you read through it those are not actual costs they are predictions based on low skilled workers earning half the uk average.

However, migrants earning the average UK wage actually generate a bigger surplus than people born here, mainly because they have not incurred costs for education or healthcare in childhood. 

[Eerie Decent]

BillyJenningsBoots » 24 Feb 2025, 21:06

 

Fancy now posting up the crime statistics?

Also, you never said what area you live in. Wonder why..

[goose]

And where can you see the cost of immigration in the tax burden brain of Britain?

Answer : you cant!

And for your information migrants tend to be of working age and are net contributors to the economy!

With your tactical switch from asylum seekers to general immigration you have shot your argument square in the face. Well done you!

Read and weep.. oh but I suspect you’ll change back to blaming asylum seekers for increased tax again... carry on!

3. Statistics Showing the Impact of Immigrants on the UK Economy and Society

 

The economic and societal impacts of immigration in the UK are significant.

 

According to the Office for National Statistics, migrants contribute approximately £83 billion to the UK’s economic output annually.

 

Research also shows that migrant workers play a crucial role in sectors like healthcare, STEM industries, and finance. For instance, as of 2020, 13.8% of the UK’s healthcare workforce were non-British nationals.

 

Foreign-born nationals are also disproportionately likely to start businesses in the UK. A report by the Migration Policy Institute noted that migrants in the UK are about 7% more likely to start businesses than UK-born individuals.

 

Finally, cultural festivals, culinary diversity, and artistic contributions by migrants have substantially enriched British cultural life, promoting greater understanding and cohesion among different communities.

Firstly, mega lolz @ the last paragraph. Did you actually read it before posting?

secondly, more recent data from the OBR paints a different story which reflects the wave of low skilled migrants who are bringing in multiple dependents. For every £1 they contribute they take out £1.86.

“Post Brexit the cost of the public services and welfare they consume, representing a net fiscal cost of £8,200 for every UK household”

 

Ha ha ... Yes I thought that might wind you up!!!!

Hmmm Is that really from the OBR I googled it and found that statement in the CPS report which is in no way impartial its the Tory think tank and probably not based on any facts I also found it in a report from the Centre for Migration Control a right wing think tank whose name sums them up.

Id say it was scare mongering and Ill stick to the stuff I posted thanks! But nice try!

Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/0 ... nerations/

The Times

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/ar ... -252gxprv6

both are quite clear that the U.K. since 2020 has imported largely low skilled migrants and their dependents.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Yeh you’re so fine that you’ve spent the last day trying to prove how fine you are, and that your tax bill hasn’t gone up since 2000 (it has).

Where did I associate population growth with illegal immigration? Nowhere.
I’ve linked it very clearly to immigration though, because that’s exactly what has happened. And guess what? The tax burden has gone up alongside it.

I’ve not compared to the US or run the country down in any way. I’ve given you facts proving the rise in tax burden linked to population growth, which you chose to ignore. 

And where can you see the cost of immigration in the tax burden brain of Britain?

Answer : you cant!

And for your information migrants tend to be of working age and are net contributors to the economy!

With your tactical switch from asylum seekers to general immigration you have shot your argument square in the face. Well done you!

Read and weep.. oh but I suspect you’ll change back to blaming asylum seekers for increased tax again... carry on!

3. Statistics Showing the Impact of Immigrants on the UK Economy and Society

 

The economic and societal impacts of immigration in the UK are significant.

 

According to the Office for National Statistics, migrants contribute approximately £83 billion to the UK’s economic output annually.

 

Research also shows that migrant workers play a crucial role in sectors like healthcare, STEM industries, and finance. For instance, as of 2020, 13.8% of the UK’s healthcare workforce were non-British nationals.

 

Foreign-born nationals are also disproportionately likely to start businesses in the UK. A report by the Migration Policy Institute noted that migrants in the UK are about 7% more likely to start businesses than UK-born individuals.

 

Finally, cultural festivals, culinary diversity, and artistic contributions by migrants have substantially enriched British cultural life, promoting greater understanding and cohesion among different communities.

Firstly, mega lolz @ the last paragraph. Did you actually read it before posting?

secondly, more recent data from the OBR paints a different story which reflects the wave of low skilled migrants who are bringing in multiple dependents. For every £1 they contribute they take out £1.86.

“Post Brexit the cost of the public services and welfare they consume, representing a net fiscal cost of £8,200 for every UK household”

 

 

Ha ha ... Yes I thought that might wind you up!!!!

Hmmm Is that really from the OBR I googled it and found that statement in the CPS report which is in no way impartial its the Tory think tank and probably not based on any facts I also found it in a report from the Centre for Migration Control a right wing think tank whose name sums them up.

Id say it was scare mongering and Ill stick to the stuff I posted thanks! But nice try!

[goose]

 

No you have bashed on about asylum seekers just as much as I have. Making out their rising numbers are costing me in higher taxes which they are not and you have consistently failed to prove that they ard a direct cause. Bonzo brought them up in response to me glibly saying to Nutsack that the UK is fine. I was comparing it to the shitshow that is the US right now.

You seem to think population growth is a bad thing and costs the country more in tax per capita. But thats because you associate it with undocumented immigrants somehow sitting on the dole but as I aleady told you the vast majority of immigration is made up of workers with visas and students. Who are both paying taxes and contributing to this country.

You all get your knickers in a twist about nothing. Why are you all so bothered about something Im not bothered about! Get on with your lives and stop worrying about me I'm fine If its so shit in the UK fuck off to the states like noncey nutsack!

Its people like you that keep running this country down giving a voice to the likes of Trumps new lapdog Farage! We'll end up like Germany and France but I guess thats what you want a far right government to expel all the immigrants.

Yeh you’re so fine that you’ve spent the last day trying to prove how fine you are, and that your tax bill hasn’t gone up since 2000 (it has).

Where did I associate population growth with illegal immigration? Nowhere.
I’ve linked it very clearly to immigration though, because that’s exactly what has happened. And guess what? The tax burden has gone up alongside it.

I’ve not compared to the US or run the country down in any way. I’ve given you facts proving the rise in tax burden linked to population growth, which you chose to ignore. 

And where can you see the cost of immigration in the tax burden brain of Britain?

Answer : you cant!

And for your information migrants tend to be of working age and are net contributors to the economy!

With your tactical switch from asylum seekers to general immigration you have shot your argument square in the face. Well done you!

Read and weep.. oh but I suspect you’ll change back to blaming asylum seekers for increased tax again... carry on!

3. Statistics Showing the Impact of Immigrants on the UK Economy and Society

 

The economic and societal impacts of immigration in the UK are significant.

 

According to the Office for National Statistics, migrants contribute approximately £83 billion to the UK’s economic output annually.

 

Research also shows that migrant workers play a crucial role in sectors like healthcare, STEM industries, and finance. For instance, as of 2020, 13.8% of the UK’s healthcare workforce were non-British nationals.

 

Foreign-born nationals are also disproportionately likely to start businesses in the UK. A report by the Migration Policy Institute noted that migrants in the UK are about 7% more likely to start businesses than UK-born individuals.

 

Finally, cultural festivals, culinary diversity, and artistic contributions by migrants have substantially enriched British cultural life, promoting greater understanding and cohesion among different communities.

Firstly, mega lolz @ the last paragraph. Did you actually read it before posting?

secondly, more recent data from the OBR paints a different story which reflects the wave of low skilled migrants who are bringing in multiple dependents. For every £1 they contribute they take out £1.86.

“Post Brexit the cost of the public services and welfare they consume, representing a net fiscal cost of £8,200 for every UK household”

[BillyJenningsBoots]

I’ve referenced population growth about ten times to you billy son - it’s part of immigration which you said has no impact on your life. 
tell me how the population is growing, because it certainly isn’t through the birth rate.

You’re desperate to focus solely on asylum seekers in some last ditch attempt for a credible argument.

 

No you have bashed on about asylum seekers just as much as I have. Making out their rising numbers are costing me in higher taxes which they are not and you have consistently failed to prove that they ard a direct cause. Bonzo brought them up in response to me glibly saying to Nutsack that the UK is fine. I was comparing it to the shitshow that is the US right now.

You seem to think population growth is a bad thing and costs the country more in tax per capita. But thats because you associate it with undocumented immigrants somehow sitting on the dole but as I aleady told you the vast majority of immigration is made up of workers with visas and students. Who are both paying taxes and contributing to this country.

You all get your knickers in a twist about nothing. Why are you all so bothered about something Im not bothered about! Get on with your lives and stop worrying about me I'm fine If its so shit in the UK fuck off to the states like noncey nutsack!

Its people like you that keep running this country down giving a voice to the likes of Trumps new lapdog Farage! We'll end up like Germany and France but I guess thats what you want a far right government to expel all the immigrants.

Yeh you’re so fine that you’ve spent the last day trying to prove how fine you are, and that your tax bill hasn’t gone up since 2000 (it has).

Where did I associate population growth with illegal immigration? Nowhere.
I’ve linked it very clearly to immigration though, because that’s exactly what has happened. And guess what? The tax burden has gone up alongside it.

I’ve not compared to the US or run the country down in any way. I’ve given you facts proving the rise in tax burden linked to population growth, which you chose to ignore. 

And where can you see the cost of immigration in the tax burden brain of Britain?

Answer : you cant!

And for your information migrants tend to be of working age and are net contributors to the economy!

With your tactical switch from asylum seekers to general immigration you have shot your argument square in the face. Well done you!

Read and weep.. oh but I suspect you’ll change back to blaming asylum seekers for increased tax again... carry on!

3. Statistics Showing the Impact of Immigrants on the UK Economy and Society

 

The economic and societal impacts of immigration in the UK are significant.

 

According to the Office for National Statistics, migrants contribute approximately £83 billion to the UK’s economic output annually.

 

Research also shows that migrant workers play a crucial role in sectors like healthcare, STEM industries, and finance. For instance, as of 2020, 13.8% of the UK’s healthcare workforce were non-British nationals.

 

Foreign-born nationals are also disproportionately likely to start businesses in the UK. A report by the Migration Policy Institute noted that migrants in the UK are about 7% more likely to start businesses than UK-born individuals.

 

Finally, cultural festivals, culinary diversity, and artistic contributions by migrants have substantially enriched British cultural life, promoting greater understanding and cohesion among different communities.

[goose]

Oh so now its not about asylum seekers its population growth in general that causes increased taxes. So why doesnt taxation rise every year again because the population rises every year but not just because of asylum seekers.

Public services are crap Ill grant you, but really are they crap because of asylum seekers?! 

I think you just have a problem with asylum seekers lets face it!

I’ve referenced population growth about ten times to you billy son - it’s part of immigration which you said has no impact on your life. 
tell me how the population is growing, because it certainly isn’t through the birth rate.

You’re desperate to focus solely on asylum seekers in some last ditch attempt for a credible argument.

 

No you have bashed on about asylum seekers just as much as I have. Making out their rising numbers are costing me in higher taxes which they are not and you have consistently failed to prove that they ard a direct cause. Bonzo brought them up in response to me glibly saying to Nutsack that the UK is fine. I was comparing it to the shitshow that is the US right now.

You seem to think population growth is a bad thing and costs the country more in tax per capita. But thats because you associate it with undocumented immigrants somehow sitting on the dole but as I aleady told you the vast majority of immigration is made up of workers with visas and students. Who are both paying taxes and contributing to this country.

You all get your knickers in a twist about nothing. Why are you all so bothered about something Im not bothered about! Get on with your lives and stop worrying about me I'm fine If its so shit in the UK fuck off to the states like noncey nutsack!

Its people like you that keep running this country down giving a voice to the likes of Trumps new lapdog Farage! We'll end up like Germany and France but I guess thats what you want a far right government to expel all the immigrants.

Yeh you’re so fine that you’ve spent the last day trying to prove how fine you are, and that your tax bill hasn’t gone up since 2000 (it has).

Where did I associate population growth with illegal immigration? Nowhere.
I’ve linked it very clearly to immigration though, because that’s exactly what has happened. And guess what? The tax burden has gone up alongside it.

I’ve not compared to the US or run the country down in any way. I’ve given you facts proving the rise in tax burden linked to population growth, which you chose to ignore.