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[Come On You Irons]

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[ironsofcanada]

. But to expect no security guarantees and to be excluded from NATO leaves Ukraine in a lose lose situation. 

This is the most ignorant argument that has been floated up on here, repeatedly. It is taking Zelensky side and swallowing it whole.

America would be putting companies, people and money physically into the Ukraine.  Money from minerals does not magically show up in the US.  If Russia attacks again with that in place, the US is not going protect it's obviously signicant interests?  Or more realistically Russia is not going attack because it doesn't want to piss the US off.

That is a security guarentee.  Zelensky wants more, ie more money at least.  We can argue that but to say there are no guarentees in the realpolotik of this is crazy.  

And yeah, it is frusterating that thinking people lap this up.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

And I just have to say Nutstain.
It's thanks to your kind of visions that WW I and II happened.
Fascist thinking, nothing less.

What an idiot! 

Trump wants to stop the wars! It is the Dems that are the warmongers ffs!

As for fascist, that’s the new Left wing media talking point. One of these days you’ll think for yourself.

Could the owned minions replacing their facebook pictures with the Ukranian flag and constantly facepalming and fawning over this explain what they want to see? As far as I can see it the US wants peace and not to have to be the guarantor of Security or to be funding an endless war. I am glad Europe is visibly stepping up, its about time. All that has happened in the last few years is the US hoofing Billions over to Ukraine and men dying in their thousands with the result that Ukraine is no further forward. It has to end. 

I dont think anyone wants the war to continue least of all Zelensky. But to expect no security guarantees and to be excluded from NATO leaves Ukraine in a lose lose situation. You expect them to give up territory and leave them open to Russia stepping in for more. He needs something ffs or Putin wins again!

[BillyJenningsBoots]

The reason some people like myself like Trump is primarily he puts America first. However there is another reason. That is the left and there absolute lying, bullshit and corruption. 

I liked Bill Clinton and I was for Obama first time around. However I would not consider backing any of the current members of the Democrat party because it is so corrupt.

Lets take a look at what they have done to divide and damage the country with their lies and flat out corruption.

It started with Hillary’s fake Dossier and the Russian collusion hoax. Then they spied on Trumps campaign, which is a crime, Then they abused the FISA warrant process, trampling all over the civil liberties of American citizens. Then they tried to bankrupt Trump and have him thrown in Prison by arming the justice Dept to stop him from running for President. 

And when that failed they tried to have him assasinated…..TWICE!
They buried the Burisma story by impeaching him and they lied through their teeth on TV about having evidence they didn’t have, See Adam Schiff.

And yet you still support these crooks.

But why such extreme measure to stop one man from being elected President some of us have asked, Is it really just because they think he is racist? No of course it isn’t, It’s because they are all corrupt and on the take and are shit scared Trump will expose them.
The black and the Spanish vote caught on and voted with their heads last time around which is why He got so many of their votes this time around.

At some point you have to take a step back and look at the facts.

Trumps not perfect but I’ll take him over the embarrassingly incompetent and corrupt Biden, the corrupt and completely untrustworthy Hillary Clinton, and her dismissive and complete Cunty attitude to American soldiers, what happened in Benghazi is far worse than anything Trump has ever done ffs. The bullshitting, lying Lying, sleazy Adam Schiff and the despicable and corrupt Nancy Pelosi.

The Dirty Dems are toxic and Divisive and have not only created the divide in the USA but have also duped some of you into hating Russia and Putin.

Before Trump and the bullshit Collusion hoax the USA and Russia relations were good. Now we are on the brink of WW 3 and some of you STILL can’t see how easily you have all been manipulated by the corrupt Dems.

They are exposing the corruption now with DOGE and they are providing receipts and it’s still not enough because of your brainwashed TDS.

You need to take a look at yourself. 

Some of us knew Biden was in Cognitive Decline and didn’t believe a word when they were all saying he was sharp as a tac and yet some who can’t think for themselves believed what they were told and ignored what was plain to see.

One of these days you’ll wake the fuck up!

Trumps only just got started, there is more to come and with all this new transparency we will all get to see just how corrupt and evil they are. 







 

 

 

And you are totally confident that Trump is not just putting him self and his billionaire cronies first.

For example the $2.4bn govt contract SpaceX maybe getting. Doesnt that ring any alarm bells as to their motives. 

I havent seen any proof yet of any govt corruption. Lots of waste perhaps but all those USAID payments have to go through congress and everytime Trump quotes a number its massively exagerated. 

And while all this turning the govt over to shake out the pennies where's the promises to reduce prices, interest rates and inflation. We all knew it was bullshit as you just cant do those overnight but where are the policies to bring those changes about? All he seems to have is govt cost saving bug will that alone fulfill the economic promises?

Here you go Billy, perfect timing!

We just rec’d the inflation numbers which show inflation has dropped. Then we have Interest rates, the 10 year T-Bill is down which is the proxy for the long term mortgage rates, so mortgage rates have dropped too, from an average of 7% to 6.75%.

Ill be happy to provide some charts if you like?

Gotta admit Trump has gotten through a lot so far, not possible to do it all straight away but it’s not as if he isn’t working now is it.

Give him another 30 days, we will have even more exposure and transparency to discuss, that’s if you still care to show up then. Chances are you’ll be crying in your cornflakes because Trump is delivering on his promises.

 

 

This article paints a negative picture of the Federal Banks fear of potential stagflation - where do you get your confidence from? The inflation figures arw sticky at best!

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-c ... 025-02-28/

Or maybe Reuters are too left wing!?

[nychammer]

And I just have to say Nutstain.
It's thanks to your kind of visions that WW I and II happened.
Fascist thinking, nothing less.

What an idiot! 

Trump wants to stop the wars! It is the Dems that are the warmongers ffs!

As for fascist, that’s the new Left wing media talking point. One of these days you’ll think for yourself.

Could the owned minions replacing their facebook pictures with the Ukranian flag and constantly facepalming and fawning over this explain what they want to see? As far as I can see it the US wants peace and not to have to be the guarantor of Security or to be funding an endless war. I am glad Europe is visibly stepping up, its about time. All that has happened in the last few years is the US hoofing Billions over to Ukraine and men dying in their thousands with the result that Ukraine is no further forward. It has to end. 

[ironsofcanada]

For example the $2.4bn govt contract SpaceX maybe getting. Doesnt that ring any alarm bells as to their motives. 

 

 

"Maybe"
I don't agree with Nutsin on everything but if this is your first evidence against, it's a problem.

You are asking us to take the speculation of a couple of news outlets, which have been historically incorrect in Trump matters, purposefully or not. As evidence of motives.

But let's say it happens.  Do you believe Verizon has done a job with air traffic control on that contract. If not, do you actually think that no other bids would be considered?

The whole Musk in for the money argument is easy but ahistorical.  You don't buy Twitter for price he did, if it's about money.  You don't be as vocally divisive if its just about money. That's the opposite of evidence.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

And I just have to say Nutstain.
It's thanks to your kind of visions that WW I and II happened.
Fascist thinking, nothing less.

What an idiot! 

Trump wants to stop the wars! It is the Dems that are the warmongers ffs!

As for fascist, that’s the new Left wing media talking point. One of these days you’ll think for yourself.

 

 

Im not sure the Dems started the war! I think youll find it was Russia. Supporting a sovereign state in its war against an oppressor is not war mongering, it has extended the war bug if that country does not want to surrender its land to an invading sate then the free world should support it. 

You'd have supported the non-intervention of the US in WWII then and you'd find yourself speaking german. I dont know your background religious or otherwise but maybe you and uour family woild have been ones that were persecuted and murdered in your beds. Who knows but thats the point! Sleepy Joe may have been an idiot but there are many people around the world that would agree with his policy of supporting Ukraine. We should all learn from history!

And your confidence in Trump not swayed at all by more contracts for Musk?

[Nutsin]

The reason some people like myself like Trump is primarily he puts America first. However there is another reason. That is the left and there absolute lying, bullshit and corruption. 

I liked Bill Clinton and I was for Obama first time around. However I would not consider backing any of the current members of the Democrat party because it is so corrupt.

Lets take a look at what they have done to divide and damage the country with their lies and flat out corruption.

It started with Hillary’s fake Dossier and the Russian collusion hoax. Then they spied on Trumps campaign, which is a crime, Then they abused the FISA warrant process, trampling all over the civil liberties of American citizens. Then they tried to bankrupt Trump and have him thrown in Prison by arming the justice Dept to stop him from running for President. 

And when that failed they tried to have him assasinated…..TWICE!
They buried the Burisma story by impeaching him and they lied through their teeth on TV about having evidence they didn’t have, See Adam Schiff.

And yet you still support these crooks.

But why such extreme measure to stop one man from being elected President some of us have asked, Is it really just because they think he is racist? No of course it isn’t, It’s because they are all corrupt and on the take and are shit scared Trump will expose them.
The black and the Spanish vote caught on and voted with their heads last time around which is why He got so many of their votes this time around.

At some point you have to take a step back and look at the facts.

Trumps not perfect but I’ll take him over the embarrassingly incompetent and corrupt Biden, the corrupt and completely untrustworthy Hillary Clinton, and her dismissive and complete Cunty attitude to American soldiers, what happened in Benghazi is far worse than anything Trump has ever done ffs. The bullshitting, lying Lying, sleazy Adam Schiff and the despicable and corrupt Nancy Pelosi.

The Dirty Dems are toxic and Divisive and have not only created the divide in the USA but have also duped some of you into hating Russia and Putin.

Before Trump and the bullshit Collusion hoax the USA and Russia relations were good. Now we are on the brink of WW 3 and some of you STILL can’t see how easily you have all been manipulated by the corrupt Dems.

They are exposing the corruption now with DOGE and they are providing receipts and it’s still not enough because of your brainwashed TDS.

You need to take a look at yourself. 

Some of us knew Biden was in Cognitive Decline and didn’t believe a word when they were all saying he was sharp as a tac and yet some who can’t think for themselves believed what they were told and ignored what was plain to see.

One of these days you’ll wake the fuck up!

Trumps only just got started, there is more to come and with all this new transparency we will all get to see just how corrupt and evil they are. 





 

 

 

And you are totally confident that Trump is not just putting him self and his billionaire cronies first.

For example the $2.4bn govt contract SpaceX maybe getting. Doesnt that ring any alarm bells as to their motives. 

I havent seen any proof yet of any govt corruption. Lots of waste perhaps but all those USAID payments have to go through congress and everytime Trump quotes a number its massively exagerated. 

And while all this turning the govt over to shake out the pennies where's the promises to reduce prices, interest rates and inflation. We all knew it was bullshit as you just cant do those overnight but where are the policies to bring those changes about? All he seems to have is govt cost saving bug will that alone fulfill the economic promises?

Here you go Billy, perfect timing!

We just rec’d the inflation numbers which show inflation has dropped. Then we have Interest rates, the 10 year T-Bill is down which is the proxy for the long term mortgage rates, so mortgage rates have dropped too, from an average of 7% to 6.75%.

Ill be happy to provide some charts if you like?

Gotta admit Trump has gotten through a lot so far, not possible to do it all straight away but it’s not as if he isn’t working now is it.

Give him another 30 days, we will have even more exposure and transparency to discuss, that’s if you still care to show up then. Chances are you’ll be crying in your cornflakes because Trump is delivering on his promises.

[Nutsin]

And I just have to say Nutstain.
It's thanks to your kind of visions that WW I and II happened.
Fascist thinking, nothing less.

What an idiot! 

Trump wants to stop the wars! It is the Dems that are the warmongers ffs!

As for fascist, that’s the new Left wing media talking point. One of these days you’ll think for yourself.

[Keep dreaming]

And I just have to say Nutstain.
It's thanks to your kind of visions that WW I and II happened.
Fascist thinking, nothing less.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

The reason some people like myself like Trump is primarily he puts America first. However there is another reason. That is the left and there absolute lying, bullshit and corruption. 

I liked Bill Clinton and I was for Obama first time around. However I would not consider backing any of the current members of the Democrat party because it is so corrupt.

Lets take a look at what they have done to divide and damage the country with their lies and flat out corruption.

It started with Hillary’s fake Dossier and the Russian collusion hoax. Then they spied on Trumps campaign, which is a crime, Then they abused the FISA warrant process, trampling all over the civil liberties of American citizens. Then they tried to bankrupt Trump and have him thrown in Prison by arming the justice Dept to stop him from running for President. 

And when that failed they tried to have him assasinated…..TWICE!
They buried the Burisma story by impeaching him and they lied through their teeth on TV about having evidence they didn’t have, See Adam Schiff.

And yet you still support these crooks.

But why such extreme measure to stop one man from being elected President some of us have asked, Is it really just because they think he is racist? No of course it isn’t, It’s because they are all corrupt and on the take and are shit scared Trump will expose them.
The black and the Spanish vote caught on and voted with their heads last time around which is why He got so many of their votes this time around.

At some point you have to take a step back and look at the facts.

Trumps not perfect but I’ll take him over the embarrassingly incompetent and corrupt Biden, the corrupt and completely untrustworthy Hillary Clinton, and her dismissive and complete Cunty attitude to American soldiers, what happened in Benghazi is far worse than anything Trump has ever done ffs. The bullshitting, lying Lying, sleazy Adam Schiff and the despicable and corrupt Nancy Pelosi.

The Dirty Dems are toxic and Divisive and have not only created the divide in the USA but have also duped some of you into hating Russia and Putin.

Before Trump and the bullshit Collusion hoax the USA and Russia relations were good. Now we are on the brink of WW 3 and some of you STILL can’t see how easily you have all been manipulated by the corrupt Dems.

They are exposing the corruption now with DOGE and they are providing receipts and it’s still not enough because of your brainwashed TDS.

You need to take a look at yourself. 

Some of us knew Biden was in Cognitive Decline and didn’t believe a word when they were all saying he was sharp as a tac and yet some who can’t think for themselves believed what they were told and ignored what was plain to see.

One of these days you’ll wake the fuck up!

Trumps only just got started, there is more to come and with all this new transparency we will all get to see just how corrupt and evil they are. 




 

 

 

 

 

And you are totally confident that Trump is not just putting him self and his billionaire cronies first.

For example the $2.4bn govt contract SpaceX maybe getting. Doesnt that ring any alarm bells as to their motives. 

I havent seen any proof yet of any govt corruption. Lots of waste perhaps but all those USAID payments have to go through congress and everytime Trump quotes a number its massively exagerated. 

And while all this turning the govt over to shake out the pennies where's the promises to reduce prices, interest rates and inflation. We all knew it was bullshit as you just cant do those overnight but where are the policies to bring those changes about? All he seems to have is govt cost saving bug will that alone fulfill the economic promises?

[Keep dreaming]

Someone is putting far to much into this....

Ill fine the European leaders a free advice.
Cut the ties to USA.
Make a EU base Meta, X and Other social platforms.

[happygilmore]

Are you OK Nut Son?

Don't be afraid to reach out on the anxiety/depession thread for help

[Nutsin]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-cl ... 1653084709


In your defense Anon, you probably don’t get to hear the truth considering the press in the UK is gutter press and only want to stick to their narrative.

Funny how you think you are so informed though.
weird really how you can be so adamant and yet so ignorant at the same time.

What is obvious is you have no clue what you are talking about.

But you keep drinking the ko aid these left wing propagandist rags are feeding you while your country is ruined and your voice is crushed by your Gov’t.

Look at the people you have decided to follow and believe and then ask yourself are you really in any position to criticize anyone?

[Nutsin]

There’s more,

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/hillar ... obby-mook/


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58591969.amp

[Nutsin]

Here’s another

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/hillar ... obby-mook/

[Nutsin]

Here is an article from CNN

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/24/poli ... n-campaign

[Nutsin]

Then there is this lil nugget

https://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-th ... den-harris

 

[Nutsin]

An article from the Wall Street journal about Steeles loss in a U K court to Russian Oligarchs

https://www.wsj.com/articles/christophe ... 1594247095


Bet you didn’t hear about this on CNN

[Nutsin]

I do admire your ability to confidently state unsubstantiated theories as fact Nutsin

 

 

That’s all you got Anon, burying your head in the sand now are you?
Ok, I’ll be happy to spell it out for you, seeing as you’re so ignorant.
Under oath in a UK court Christopher Steele admitted the Dossier was fake. He was sued by Russian Oligarchs for slander.

The head of Hillary’s campaign, under oath admitted Hillary created the Collusion hoax to take the heat off her because of the email scandal.

What the Dems say on live TV is completely different to what they say under oath.

It’s easily verified.

Its a fact that the FBI lied on the FISA warrants, it’s been investigated and proven easily verifiable.

Its also been proven that they spied on Trumps campaign.
Again investigated and proven.
Schiff was caught in an obvious blatant lie which is why he was kicked out of an intelligence committee along with Swallwell.
agin easily verifiable.

With The bought and paid for left wing media they bought the narrative on Impeaching Trump over a phone call because Trump was about to expose the Hunter Biden laptop story before they found the laptop.

Something the media tried to cover up as Russian disinformation, remember that? Again throwing verbal bombs at Putin and Russia, which we now know to be a lie. The laptop has been verified as Hunters laptop. So no, it wasn’t Russian disinformation, was it!

Then we have the blatant lies by all in the Dem party and by the bought and paid for left wing media that Biden was as sharp as a tac, when we all saw just how poorly he actually was.

How many more examples do you need ffs?

Dont worry, if you’re not quite there yet, there is more evidence coming.

As for the Epstein list Bondi the attorney General has demanded that the FBI branch in New York release to her all the Epstein docs, they have apparently hidden away.
What a surprise, New York again. You’ll get to see them. Please don’t sit there and try to proclaim that Trump is not being transparent when we just had Biden’s admin in office. The difference between Trump and Biden is night and day when it comes to transparency. I bet Trymp won’t have to pardon His kids when he is about to walk out the door of the whitehouse.

Your argument is pathetic!

[ironsofcanada]

Any which way - and to tie the two topics together - Pam Bondi, no doubt, appreciated the Friday fireworks.

[ironsofcanada]

I've never really understood how it could be explosive anyway, isn't it likely to contain many more innocent associates as guilty? Or is it explicitly labelled "A list of visitors to my island that engaged in sex with minors"?

I guess "list" is an oversimplification.  They did send out a Rolex of names. But as you say, he had dealings with a good portion of the powerful people in the States/world. Like Jimmy Saville, say.

A whistleblower said that video etc was being held back.  If there is real evidence of wrong doing in there that would be the real "list". I guess. 

[Mr Anon]

what happened to this anyway Nutsin? as far as I can tell was already released last year anyway, and Trump was on it

My very speculative guess is that it doesn't exist anymore.

If it as explosive as has been said, why would people in power at various levels let it just sit around for years?

I've never really understood how it could be explosive anyway, isn't it likely to contain many more innocent associates as guilty? Or is it explicitly labelled "A list of visitors to my island that engaged in sex with minors"?

[ironsofcanada]

what happened to this anyway Nutsin? as far as I can tell was already released last year anyway, and Trump was on it

My very speculative guess is that it doesn't exist anymore.

If it as explosive as has been said, why would people in power at various levels let it just sit around for years?

[Mr Anon]

Tomorrow we get to see the Epstein list according to Bondi the Attorney General. 


All this winning, it’s too much! 

MAGA!

More promises made being kept. 

 

what happened to this anyway Nutsin? as far as I can tell was already released last year anyway, and Trump was on it

[Mr Anon]

I do admire your ability to confidently state unsubstantiated theories as fact Nutsin