The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Hammer I am]

It seems IOC's grand plan is to effectively surrender to two countries at once, one of them they're not even at war with, what a statesman!

[BRANDED]

AG AG AG AG AG AG AGGGGGGG

[ironsofcanada]

I said it was a starting point from which you negotiate. Not giveaway everything you've got like your plan! You keep believing that Zelensky will give up territory and membership of NATO without concrete security guarantees - welcome to fantasyland!

 

 

So no actual plan you think will work. Let's keep 'em dying.




Zelensky is in the weakest postion of the parties in question, if he wants to honour his people's desire for peace, he will realistical have to give up the most. 



(We have discussed security guarantees, having a the US with a massive imbedded presence and counting on your resources is a huge one.  You pretend that is not a thing.) 

[nychammer]

As I keep saying Russia hand back the land they are occupying to Ukraine or NATA membership / Security guarantees will be provided. I suspect that Zelensky will want both. But the compromise is his and Putins to make as part of the ongoing negotiations - not sure why you are struggling to understand it!

You keeping saying that and keep asserting you live in a fantasy realm.

Russia wants neither of those options so they keep fighting.
Now what?

 

 

As unsavory as it sounds you will have to give up something to Russia to obtain a peace agreement. The alternatives  are either war we (increasing Europe) keep funding or the European nations and maybe the US  getting involved actively which sparks regional conflict or worse. 

[Far Cough UKunt]

It seems Iyawnsofcanada, has all the fucking answers, what say we tell Zelensky baby to take a back seat at the next summit in the White House and insert the aforementioned, IyawnsChamberlain?

I'm sure he'll come out of the White House waving a piece of paper and announcing peace in our fucking time?

 

[BillyJenningsBoots]

As I keep saying Russia hand back the land they are occupying to Ukraine or NATA membership / Security guarantees will be provided. I suspect that Zelensky will want both. But the compromise is his and Putins to make as part of the ongoing negotiations - not sure why you are struggling to understand it!

You keeping saying that and keep asserting you live in a fantasy realm.

Russia wants neither of those options so they keep fighting.
Now what?

I said it was a starting point from which you negotiate. Not giveaway everything you've got like your plan! You keep believing that Zelensky will give up territory and membership of NATO without concrete security guarantees - welcome to fantasyland!

[ironsofcanada]

As I keep saying Russia hand back the land they are occupying to Ukraine or NATA membership / Security guarantees will be provided. I suspect that Zelensky will want both. But the compromise is his and Putins to make as part of the ongoing negotiations - not sure why you are struggling to understand it!

You keeping saying that and keep asserting you live in a fantasy realm.

Russia wants neither of those options so they keep fighting.
Now what?

[Lee Trundle]

Why would Russia hand back the land they now occupy?

[BillyJenningsBoots]

BillyJenningsBoot

Billy 

I don't care who you are.  

Just enter a Zen state, clear Trump from your mind...

Now without thinking of him or his country (visualise him being  fully America First and taking all money and influence out of Europe)


Now present your plan for peace in the Ukraine.

 

 

Capitulation is not a Peace plan its a surrender!

As I keep saying Russia hand back the land they are occupying to Ukraine or NATA membership / Security guarantees will be provided. I suspect that Zelensky will want both. But the compromise is his and Putins to make as part of the ongoing negotiations - not sure why you are struggling to understand it!

[ironsofcanada]

Nag reminds us as to how we should learn from history and sometimes it seems to repeat itself.

Like Hitler and Stalin divided Poland to suit their aggressive needs, in September 1939,  the carve up of Ukraine to suit the Putin and Trump needs is an echo from more than eighty years ago. This carve up, like the previous one mentioned, shows no consideration as to the needs and desires of the citizens affected and what is even worse is that neither of this nasty duopoly will feel any compunction in breaking their agreement.

 

 

Yes comma, let's repeat some history

1) Like the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, a modern deal between the States and Russia is a secret pact that no one in other governments and the press (and thereby the Ukraine citizens it affects) has heard  of until well after it came into play...oh wait.
2) Like the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, this modern deal comes before any fighting started was not part of a peace structure to stop an existing, bloody war...oh wait.
3) (really the only one that needs to be considered) Like in the time of Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the parties involved do not have nuclear weapons and thankfully those weapons do not change dramtatically the dynamic in enforcing a dissolution of such an agreement...oh wait. 

So yes comma, carbon copy of the 1939 world power dynamic. 

But I really do appreciate you letting us know the "needs and desires" of Ukranian people.  Where did you get that information?

1) The most sure indicator would surely be elections, which Zelensky held when they were supposed to be  both for president and parliament...oh wait.

2) But in the really strange case where elections did not happen, based on polling done in November of last year, 52 % of Ukrainians would not give up land to bring peace ...oh wait. 

[BRANDED]

Russia and Ukraine should do a Korea. 

The USA doesnt really win wars, it makes business for businesses.

Anyone who doesnt understand this is a child

Do a Korea in which way?  Divide things up where and how?  Or go to war and bring in a bunch of our kids to be killed and then divide it up?

How about a Vietnam?

Stop fighting, draw a line and get on with life.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

 

Wow you went back 3 whole weeks go back a bit further

I didn't need to go back further to work out you're a massive bore.

3 posts on football in 2 weeks.  The rest of the time you're in here.

So what... not much to talk about these are the hot topics!

[THUNDERCLINT]

You are the one with a new account check my history.

 

Well that's 100% confirmed Billy as being the drunk Polish nazi. Silly cսnt takes every piece of bait offered.

Sorry which one are you Ladyboy?

 

 

I'm me. You're the drunk Polish nazi. Hope that helps Pickle.

[ironsofcanada]

BillyJenningsBoot

Billy 

I don't care who you are.  

Just enter a Zen state, clear Trump from your mind...

Now without thinking of him or his country (visualise him being  fully America First and taking all money and influence out of Europe)...


... present your plan for peace in the Ukraine.

[Lee Trundle]

 

Wow you went back 3 whole weeks go back a bit further

I didn't need to go back further to work out you're a massive bore.

3 posts on football in 2 weeks.  The rest of the time you're in here.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

How many accounts on this thread lately are the drunk Polish nazi Pickle? 

I suspect 2.

You are the one with a new account check my history.

 

Well that's 100% confirmed Billy as being the drunk Polish nazi. Silly cսnt takes every piece of bait offered.

Sorry which one are you Ladyboy?

[BillyJenningsBoots]

check my history.

 

I just did.

3 posts on football in almost 2 weeks.  The rest of your posting history is on this very thread.

Have a word with yourself.

 

 

Wow you went back 3 whole weeks go back a bit further - maybe check out the Moyes Out thread! - you know very well I've been posting for years on here. The hot topic atm is the shit show in the US hence posting on here.

[Takashi Miike]

[THUNDERCLINT]

How many accounts on this thread lately are the drunk Polish nazi Pickle? 

I suspect 2.

You are the one with a new account check my history.

 

Well that's 100% confirmed Billy as being the drunk Polish nazi. Silly cսnt takes every piece of bait offered.

[only1billybonds]

I don't think the likes of BJB should be taken seriously when it comes to anything related to Trump. The levels of TDS are so off the scale that the Americans could send their entire military to defend Ukraine and there would still be reasons to criticise the action. The most important question is this. Haven't enough people died already?

[Far Cough UKunt]

Nag reminds us as to how we should learn from history and sometimes it seems to repeat itself.

Like Hitler and Stalin divided Poland to suit their aggressive needs, in September 1939,  the carve up of Ukraine to suit the Putin and Trump needs is an echo from more than eighty years ago. This carve up, like the previous one mentioned, shows no consideration as to the needs and desires of the citizens affected and what is even worse is that neither of this nasty duopoly will feel any compunction in breaking their agreement.

Comma, yes.

[Takashi Miike]

[Lee Trundle]

This carve up, like the previous one mentioned, shows no consideration as to the needs and desires of the citizens affected

If we're talking about the majority of citizens in these occupied parts that don't want to be Ukrainian, and especially not European, then this carve up is exactly what they want.

[Eerie Decent]

The solution of those who are obsessed with hating Trump, seems to be the US just accept whatever Ukraine demand, defend them come what May, thus potentially starting WW3 against a country that has more nuclear weapons than anyone else on the planet.

I'm guessing they post on here asking for help when it comes to negotiating for their Sky package renewals...

[,]

Nag reminds us as to how we should learn from history and sometimes it seems to repeat itself.

Like Hitler and Stalin divided Poland to suit their aggressive needs, in September 1939,  the carve up of Ukraine to suit the Putin and Trump needs is an echo from more than eighty years ago. This carve up, like the previous one mentioned, shows no consideration as to the needs and desires of the citizens affected and what is even worse is that neither of this nasty duopoly will feel any compunction in breaking their agreement.