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West Ham v Newcastle - 10th March (Official Match & Predictions Thread)

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What will the result be?

Potter powers on...Home Win
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59%
Barcodes bore us...Draw
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29%
Howe with the hammer blow....Away Win
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I dont want to create a scene, but this has been the longest time without a match since forever, and i cant keep reading about politics, millwall, drivel for the rest of the weekend.

Nailed on win for our massive bastards.

Feel free to delete when someone who knows what they're doing comes along.
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Since you made the first move let's keep this one.

I'll update with all the usual match thread content in the next day or so.

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Eerie Decent" wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 05:55 I think there's such a thing as over analyzing, Alf, which those 2 lads do, on the one occasion I listened to them.

A bit like your post earlier, which I didn't read. I don't mind a longer post, but that's a fucking essay.

No one needs to look any further than playing 9 defensive players, and 2 attackers, at home, under the lights, against a team with an upcoming cup final, when for us there is literally nothing to play for other than getting the fans onside.

The end.
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I also find it pretty worrying that the only way he thinks he can stop us conceding goals in by playing 9 defenders. I thought we were getting one of the brightest tactical brains about.

What will be progress next season, 8 defenders?
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"He did also say clearly the focus so far has been on trying to stabalise the defence."


I think he has already been pretty clear about that, what with him starting home games with 9 defenders on the pitch.
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Manuel wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 15:39 Potter's presser, usual soundbites. Fullkrug almost ready, Jimmy back after the intl break, Todibo almost ready to play 90 mins. Defense has been shored up, looking to increase attacks etc.
Summerville after the break is better news than the other day, when it was rumoured maybe not this season.

He did also say clearly the focus so far has been on trying to stabalise the defence.
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Sir Alf" wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 00:33 Listen from minute 19 onwards. Yeah its nerdy / geeky stat stuff and analysis but explains what I think is where we are and gives better perspective than the over reactive responses to defeats.




 
These two are hoping to be picked up by a pro club to do some analysis. Very boring stuff. 
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Eerie Decent" wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 11:54
wils wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 10:32
Eerie Decent" wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 05:55 I think there's such a thing as over analyzing, Alf, which those 2 lads do, on the one occasion I listened to them.



 
My criticism of them is perhaps slightly tainted by my thoughts about the rainbow scarf he puts up on the wall. But trying to be fair to them, they give high-quality data analysis which has been increasingly influential in football over the years. Personally I don't like to see the game stripped down to this level regardless of how useful it is. I deal with data in my day job and enjoy football partly as an antidote to that sterile world. In a competitive game with so much money at stake it's inevitable that its influence grows. But it's to the detriment of my enjoyment of the game and for that reason I give these two a wide berth regardless of how correct their analysis is.
Yeah, can't disagree with that, I get that it offers an insight most of us wouldn't necessarily be able to offer up, and it has it's place. However, nothing will beat the eye test, I'm a cսnt, but I know my football and I know what I'm seeing currently, and I don't need couple of bandits to explain to me that it's ok because they understand pivots, mid press, low block, transitions or whatever the fuck.

I can guarantee you one thing, neither has ever laced up a pair of boots, at any level. It's analysis for Championship Manager players.
It's basically porn for the Alex V types.
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Potter's presser, usual soundbites. Fullkrug almost ready, Jimmy back after the intl break, Todibo almost ready to play 90 mins. Defense has been shored up, looking to increase attacks etc.
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wils wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 10:32
Eerie Decent" wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 05:55 I think there's such a thing as over analyzing, Alf, which those 2 lads do, on the one occasion I listened to them.


 
My criticism of them is perhaps slightly tainted by my thoughts about the rainbow scarf he puts up on the wall. But trying to be fair to them, they give high-quality data analysis which has been increasingly influential in football over the years. Personally I don't like to see the game stripped down to this level regardless of how useful it is. I deal with data in my day job and enjoy football partly as an antidote to that sterile world. In a competitive game with so much money at stake it's inevitable that its influence grows. But it's to the detriment of my enjoyment of the game and for that reason I give these two a wide berth regardless of how correct their analysis is.
Yeah, can't disagree with that, I get that it offers an insight most of us wouldn't necessarily be able to offer up, and it has it's place. However, nothing will beat the eye test, I'm a cսnt, but I know my football and I know what I'm seeing currently, and I don't need couple of bandits to explain to me that it's ok because they understand pivots, mid press, low block, transitions or whatever the fuck.

I can guarantee you one thing, neither has ever laced up a pair of boots, at any level. It's analysis for Championship Manager players.
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wils wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 10:32
Eerie Decent" wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 05:55 I think there's such a thing as over analyzing, Alf, which those 2 lads do, on the one occasion I listened to them.

 
My criticism of them is perhaps slightly tainted by my thoughts about the rainbow scarf he puts up on the wall. But trying to be fair to them, they give high-quality data analysis which has been increasingly influential in football over the years. Personally I don't like to see the game stripped down to this level regardless of how useful it is. I deal with data in my day job and enjoy football partly as an antidote to that sterile world. In a competitive game with so much money at stake it's inevitable that its influence grows. But it's to the detriment of the game in my view and for that reason I give these two a wide berth regardless of how correct their analysis is.
Yep, that's how I see it too. End of the day goals win games and without a top striker or goal scorers you ain't really going far regardless of your coach and tactics. Tactics only get you so far.
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Eerie Decent" wrote: 13 Mar 2025, 05:55 I think there's such a thing as over analyzing, Alf, which those 2 lads do, on the one occasion I listened to them.

 
My criticism of them is perhaps slightly tainted by my thoughts about the rainbow scarf he puts up on the wall. But trying to be fair to them, they give high-quality data analysis which has been increasingly influential in football over the years. Personally I don't like to see the game stripped down to this level regardless of how useful it is. I deal with data in my day job and enjoy football partly as an antidote to that sterile world. In a competitive game with so much money at stake it's inevitable that its influence grows. But it's to the detriment of my enjoyment of the game and for that reason I give these two a wide berth regardless of how correct their analysis is.
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in short, imo lets see how summer transfer dealings go and how things look after the first few months of next season.?
We don't have a choice but to do that, and the last thing I'm doing is calling for his head. I was positive when he was appointed, as I try to be with every new manager, as I'm desperate for us to do well. Let's hope we have a good summer with transfers.

There were some good early signs, however, regardless of how you want to dress it up, since he joined, we are bottom for shots on goal, off & on target, in the whole league, behind Ipswich, Leicester & Southampton. That is a very, very worrying sign for me, as it does align with the criticisms of him at his previous clubs. The 3 home games against Palace, Brentford & Newcastle were as shit as anything you will see, and as I've pointed out, that soulless shithole needs lifting, badly, and picking 9 defensive players to start, when he has options, will not change that.
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Yeah they do. My only criticism of them is because they have access they probably aren’t as critical as they could be, I guess in case the club revokes it but their analysis is really good and they perfectly explained the Sophie’s choice element of why we line up like we do, and why we are so limited in midfield which affects everything we try and to attacking wise. 
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Respectfully have to disagree Eerie. These nerds do indeed go into detail which is probably why I enjoy their analysis. As you can guess, we’re all members of the VDS ( Verbal Diahorrea Society 😉)  but conversely try to look for a rationale, nuance or context to opinions.  Just different to others who see it as simple. It might be but not imho.  Actually, I think they provide data analysis to the club or certainly did and they attend Potter’s pre and post match interviews etc? Not certain but I think I read that was case. 

Anyway different opinions are good.  Time will tellon Potter though. He has more than halved the goals we concede compared to the same number of games Lopetegui ended with but at the cost of, as pointed out, reducing the goal attempts and goals we score. Not as bad as half as we were not creating and scoring many in the first place. And as a result, and its really only the home games this applies to, the excitement or entertainment is currently a problem again.  

in short, imo lets see how summer transfer dealings go and how things look after the first few months of next season.?
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I think there's such a thing as over analyzing, Alf, which those 2 lads do, on the one occasion I listened to them.

A bit like your post earlier, which I didn't read. I don't mind a longer post, but that's a fucking essay.

No one needs to look any further than playing 9 defensive players, and 2 attackers, at home, under the lights, against a team with an upcoming cup final, when for us there is literally nothing to play for other than getting the fans onside.

The end.
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Listen from minute 19 onwards. Yeah its nerdy / geeky stat stuff and analysis but explains what I think is where we are and gives better perspective than the over reactive responses to defeats.



 
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Seen enough good stuff from us since Potter took over to not be too worried about performances like Monday.  I do agree that the midfield wasn't effective. Both Ward Prowse and Alvarez were deep for a lot of the game and often when Alvarez does go forward all he can do is pass sideways or backwards.  Neither can travel quickly with the ball and when you have Soucek in the team as well then there's a lack of pace all over the midfield. 

Potter is limited by the squad, he inherited a team shipping goals and he's now made us at least more defensively sound.  We've had some decent performances, should have won at Villa and the Chelsea game was a travesty that we lost there due to ref and a flukey deflection.   
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El Scorchio" wrote: 12 Mar 2025, 17:57 Is this a handball by them or by us? Assuming them. Couldn't see it from a gazillion miles away although what me and everyone else thought we saw was a nailed on penalty. Haven't watched it back. Am I correct in thinking there was 'some' contact on Bowen but not enough for them to overrule it as a clear error? One of those that had it been given on the pitch wouldn't have been overturned either?
Or were we all just mistaken and it wasn't a pen?
On the contact, that is what my broadcast said the VAR verdict was.

Did not mention anything about a handball but from the other angle it looked to me like the ball changed directions slightly. 
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Eerie i ( we ) understand what you are saying, and its opinions, and yes Potter could take more risks to play a more attack minded set up, formation and players but I’m not sure I’d agree with the statement “we have enough talent” to be able to play on the proverbial “front foot”?  Yes we could push further forward and commit more forward but the risk is that with our centre mid options, we get cut thru again on the counter like we did with Moyes and Lopetegui and start conceding 3,4 or even more against the better teams in the division at home. And its really in truth the home form that has not improved.  Like I say, we could take risks like Lopetegui did and tbh we were fortunate in at least 3 of our home games  under him to take any points ( Mancs and Fulham come to mind).  

We have talent but its not a balanced set across the squad. The lack of “legs” cannot be underestimated in that it restricts how we can play effectively at home. Or put another way,, we will struggle to play a possession based game. Its the middle third of the pitch, linking defence to attack where it largely falls apart although our goalkeeper is adding to the problem as he cannot use his feet to play anything accurately with long punts upfield or out of play.  

We cannot play thru teams that press or put plenty of bodies behind the ball and that is usually the case when we are the home team. Palace and Brentford esp. ( recent exmples under Potter ) picked us off by easily passing thru and around us as we tried to press higher. We tried to push more players forward and attack and many goals came from turnovers in and around the opposition penalty box or even from corners. 

The opposition midfield then just walzed thru at speed unchallenged while our collectively slow midfielders chased like they were running in quicksand.  We found we were outnumbered

Potter can try to have us play an extra attack minded player but it will weaken that middle third which already struggles against any team with “legs” and speed.  We would create more probably but would need to be more clinical as our goals conceded would imo almost certainly creep back up.

This season is going to continue to be frustrating, boring, tough to watch esp. in home games as we have really regressed tactics back to how Moyes used to have us play albeit we do now try to pass the ball  out from the back to the midfield and do not have as many sat deep. But like I say, it breaks down after we try to play thru that middle third as teams have athletes that are quicker than us and press effectively or dispossess us etc.

If Potter oversees us conceding 2,3,4 every game at home again fans will say  “we are no different  defensively to when Moyes and Lop were in charge”?  As others mention, conceding less “is the lesser of 2 evils” .

For me, its just about ok so long as he knows that he needs to rebuild the central mudfield and get not 1 but 2 players with speed athleticism in centre mud and get a new no 1 keeper.  In an udeal world, we get a player like Baleba ( more defensive )  at Brighton AND one like Gibbs White ) more attack minded ). Would improve a lot of teams but absolutely transform us.   Imho of course 🤭

 
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Is this a handball by them or by us? Assuming them. Couldn't see it from a gazillion miles away although what me and everyone else thought we saw was a nailed on penalty. Haven't watched it back. Am I correct in thinking there was 'some' contact on Bowen but not enough for them to overrule it as a clear error? One of those that had it been given on the pitch wouldn't have been overturned either?
Or were we all just mistaken and it wasn't a pen?
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ironsofcanada wrote: 12 Mar 2025, 17:05 Am I the only one that missed the handball on the Bowen penalty shout?
I thought I clocked that 
but not on the first angle they showed, but then on second from behind, but then didn’t show again so wasn’t 100% sure 
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Am I the only one that missed the handball on the Bowen penalty shout?
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kylay wrote: 12 Mar 2025, 14:17
Eerie Decent" wrote: 12 Mar 2025, 08:21 "We were just as ineffective with Ings Ferguson and Paqueta on the pitch as we were when it was just Kudus and Bowen. Changing things up front/attacking did nothing."

It's a bit different throwing a load of attackers on in desperation, than starting a team with more than TWO fucking attackers. The mindset from the start is completely different, and the game would flow different.

"However it’s hard to have a go at him too much for sticking to the side that just won two in a row"

What an outdated, old school, brainless opinion. Are you saying if Bowen misses the next match, and we shit housed our way to a narrow win, you wouldn't start him in the next? I thought we was getting a new age, tactically brilliant manager, yet he started the same team 3 games in a row, against 3 drastically different opposition? 
 
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you must crawl before you can sprint. If Potter were well-established with the team, and he had not just inherited a mess of a squad shipping goals left, right, and centre, you would be spot on, but we need a consistent defence that doesn't bleed goals. Paq (returning from injury) has been a shell of himself this season and prone to many dangerous turnovers. Ferguson (returning from injury) has no familiarity with any of these players. Ings is one-paced and shit (15 appearances, 1 goal). Our midfield is too slow to play much more than a low to mid block in its current state. I also agree with you that the season is over and relegation isn't really a concern. I'd like to see more invention and risk-taking. I can, though, understand Potter wanting to build stability and trust with the squad and gradually right the ship. He has to play the long game here. Stakes are high for him too if he fails in a second consecutive position. Hopefully, Everton poses an opportunity for him to open the play a bit more.
 
Load of old claptrap, imo.

I've got no problem making us more solid, but we are rock bottom of every team in the league since he came in for shots on goal, and shots on target. That includes 3 of the shittest teams you're ever likely to see in the Prem.

No one is asking for miracles, but how come we are the only team who gets a new manager in, and is not allowed to attack when playing at home?

The excuses are a bit pathetic. We have more than enough talent for him to make us more solid, and show at least an iota of attacking intent. We've got Jarrod Bowen in the side for fuck sake, Kudus was being touted at £100mil at one point, Paqueta on his way to Man City. He's not taken over the Dog & Duck.

He didn't have to pick that pathetic midfield, he has options.
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Sir Alf" wrote: 12 Mar 2025, 12:36 Apologies for tainting El Scorch with my agreement 🤭 but I totally agree with his analysis. Well I would its the same as I bore on about week after week and going back to the days of Kovac. Rice was able to solve the problem of a one paced, not very athletic, not that physical midfield for a while but once he was sold we did not replace “like for like”. Alvarez is a goid footballer and provides some physicality ( too much at wrong times on occasion ) but is not that quick and needs “legs” alongside. Much like Partey has looked a much better player at Arsenal since Rice has been doing the leg work.

We simply cannot pick a central midfield that cam play thru or around the press.  I watched Forest and the speed that Gibbs White moves and plays at creates so much more space and doesnt allow the time for the opposition to reset after a turnover.

If we played another forward, like we started against Brentford, we risk giving the opposition the midfield to run in with just 2 centre mids.  

A lot of it imo is a hangover from the Moyes days and squad built for sitting deep,in a low block with 10 behind the ball and not playomg out but pumping direct to Antonio who was good at holding it up and the team then launched a quick counter.  We did not recruit the right profile of player last summer to play the possession based games of Lop and Potter, that we needed to be effective at it.

All about opinions, but regardless of manager it wont imo be fixed without recruitment this summer. If we get the wrong profile of players again ( slow,not athletic enough) then Potter will be toast by xmas .
Also agree. Piece of piss in possession to shut us down by just getting tight on JWP so he can't pick a pass, and the other players who aren't quick or savvy enough to find space and are quite easy to man . mark. Piece of piss out of possession for the oppo to pull our CMs out of position or outmanoeuvre them. Brentford (no JWP in the line up but just swap in 'the deep midfielder with playmaker responsibilities' did both of those very well and so did Newcastle. It's the blueprint on how to beat us with the players we currently have, if we want to do anything other than sit very deep. Maybe that's the temporary solution until the end of the season. Sophie's choice.
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Eerie Decent" wrote: 12 Mar 2025, 08:21 "We were just as ineffective with Ings Ferguson and Paqueta on the pitch as we were when it was just Kudus and Bowen. Changing things up front/attacking did nothing."

It's a bit different throwing a load of attackers on in desperation, than starting a team with more than TWO fucking attackers. The mindset from the start is completely different, and the game would flow different.

"However it’s hard to have a go at him too much for sticking to the side that just won two in a row"

What an outdated, old school, brainless opinion. Are you saying if Bowen misses the next match, and we shit housed our way to a narrow win, you wouldn't start him in the next? I thought we was getting a new age, tactically brilliant manager, yet he started the same team 3 games in a row, against 3 drastically different opposition? 
 
 
Eerie,

you must crawl before you can sprint. If Potter were well-established with the team, and he had not just inherited a mess of a squad shipping goals left, right, and centre, you would be spot on, but we need a consistent defence that doesn't bleed goals. Paq (returning from injury) has been a shell of himself this season and prone to many dangerous turnovers. Ferguson (returning from injury) has no familiarity with any of these players. Ings is one-paced and shit (15 appearances, 1 goal). Our midfield is too slow to play much more than a low to mid block in its current state. I also agree with you that the season is over and relegation isn't really a concern. I'd like to see more invention and risk-taking. I can, though, understand Potter wanting to build stability and trust with the squad and gradually right the ship. He has to play the long game here. Stakes are high for him too if he fails in a second consecutive position. Hopefully, Everton poses an opportunity for him to open the play a bit more.
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He’s got the right to refuse it, but if it’s stopping him from returning to play football, as it’s his choice he must be in breach 
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