Potter Out

[THUNDERCLINT]

Had enough of this arogrant no mark now.  

11 games, 27% win ratio and 0.66 goals per game.

Either the break clause is true or this flake quits otherwise were proper fucked.

[fraser]

Yep can't argue with that need a performance Saturday 

[THUNDERCLINT]

On Saturday we find out who this prick really is. 

At home to Southampton, the worst Premier League team ever. Already relegated, 2 wins, 4 draws, 10 points and 77 goals conceeded after 32 games. 

If doesn't set up with the intent to batter these clowns from the first whistle and give the home fans a reason to bounce around after a shit season then what is the point of him?

I'm not even asking that he does batter them, just play like he means to.

Yet I doubt he'll even start with a striker,again...

[stubbo]

It might help the mentality of the players if they had the facilities of a big club 

Mentality is driven by culture, and culture is set at the head of the organisation. 

High standards, high expectations.  Not things anyone can equate to the rule of David Sullivan. 

It's the same as this idea to 'improve the match day experience's which they think they can do with baubles and trinkets. The fans aren't behind the team because they have no vision or belief that is worth supporting that transcends the individual match....so the only time they're roused is by the team on the day if things appear to show a fight.

But if the head of the club had a strong and defined vision the support could buy into and get behind, a vision of where we're going, and a leadership that inspired...then that alone would improve the match day experience. It would change the Club's culture.

But the toad at the top and his henchmen can't do that. So it is what it is, and what Sullivan always tries to do....cover a turd in glitter and call it a spectacle.

[Rusta]

It might help the mentality of the players if they had the facilities of a big club 

[Keep dreaming]

Pellegrini said we lacked a big team mentality, and so says Potter.
They are both right, and since 2019 the majority of players brought in has been extremely poor, and even with the mindset to play defensively. Another this is the actual squad management which also has been extremely poor. The team is old, and lack competition in each position of the field.
Owner and manager from 2019 are to blame for our current state. No manager would easily mend our problems from January up to today. I'm not even sure Potter will succeed, but that's because of Sullivan as he is again the director of football again.
West Ham will never gain a big team mentality with the current owners at the helm.

[El Scorchio]

That’s cos Potter is obsessed with playing ultra defensively 
in our last 3 games during the times that Fullkrug has been on the pitch we’ve scored 3 and conceded 2,
the time where he was sat on the bench in those games we scored 0 and conceded 3
somehow Potter would spin that info to make it sound like we’re better off playing without him, he’d see it that we concede less goals per minute without him in the team and just ignore the fact we need him to score 

Disagree on 'ultra defensive' as any sort of obsession of his, but it's clear our attacking ambitions are very limited by our complete lack of athleticism in the middle of the park, and it's clearly better in that situation to err on the side of caution rather than constantly strand them all upfield giving the oppo a field day running en masse at our back four. If it's still the same next season then I'll start to worry.
 
That article you posted only reinforces what I said that the lack of minutes for Fullkrug is down to injury concerns from overusing him at this point rather than anything else, and next season is the target. It clearly says the medical team are concerned about him playing more than 45 minutes in case he reinjures himself so there's your answer plain and simple.

Not really a case of there you go is it 
we’ve always had the worst physios going, hence why we’ve always had issues with injuries 
look at Summerville for instance, went off as a precaution, medical team said it was minor, hasn’t been seen since 
you could take the most unfit fat slob and see how far he can run, 2 or 3 days later he can try and go a bit farther, you wouldn’t say to him oh no mate you’ve gotta do half the distance this time 
fitness works by the more you do the fitter you get, not the less
and what are they even trying to protect him from? The end of the season? Just play the bloke 

Of course it is. They've said it's injury risk not lack of fitness/match fitness. Two different things. Giving him more minutes in this case wouldn't be a good thing for him seen as they are trying to avoid him breaking down again. It's written clear as day in the article.

Obviously the priority is next season to make sure he's 100% for that which would mean keeping him injury free so he can have a full preseason. It is shit for what's left of the rest of this season to put up without him playing the majority of minutes but the damage is done we aren't moving up the table and we certainly aren't going down, so it's absolutely pointless risking him getting hurt between now and then. It's just foolish to say otherwise if that's his current injury risk situation.

[Maverick180180]

If anything it's the latter. Having Fullkrug (or any CF) on makes our already weak midfield that much weaker. I think this is the reason. When he's properly fit he'll start though- he can make up for it with his presence and pressing high up the pitch, not to mention making life a lot more difficult for their centre backs who let's face it are simply not troubled physically by any of our other players. It's too easy to win headers or possession really cleanly and set off good attacks. Being under serious pressure doesn't allow them to do that and gives us more of a chance to press and get more advanced. You can't commit forward if you know the ball is just coming straight back every time and setting up really good attacking positions for the opposition. IMO he will start on Saturday. 

That’s cos Potter is obsessed with playing ultra defensively 
in our last 3 games during the times that Fullkrug has been on the pitch we’ve scored 3 and conceded 2,
the time where he was sat on the bench in those games we scored 0 and conceded 3
somehow Potter would spin that info to make it sound like we’re better off playing without him, he’d see it that we concede less goals per minute without him in the team and just ignore the fact we need him to score 

Disagree on 'ultra defensive' as any sort of obsession of his, but it's clear our attacking ambitions are very limited by our complete lack of athleticism in the middle of the park, and it's clearly better in that situation to err on the side of caution rather than constantly strand them all upfield giving the oppo a field day running en masse at our back four. If it's still the same next season then I'll start to worry.
 
That article you posted only reinforces what I said that the lack of minutes for Fullkrug is down to injury concerns from overusing him at this point rather than anything else, and next season is the target. It clearly says the medical team are concerned about him playing more than 45 minutes in case he reinjures himself so there's your answer plain and simple.

Not really a case of there you go is it 
we’ve always had the worst physios going, hence why we’ve always had issues with injuries 
look at Summerville for instance, went off as a precaution, medical team said it was minor, hasn’t been seen since 
you could take the most unfit fat slob and see how far he can run, 2 or 3 days later he can try and go a bit farther, you wouldn’t say to him oh no mate you’ve gotta do half the distance this time 
fitness works by the more you do the fitter you get, not the less
and what are they even trying to protect him from? The end of the season? Just play the bloke 

[El Scorchio]

Everything I’m seeing suggests to me that Potter either doesn’t like Fullkrug or doesn’t like the formation he has to play in order to incorporate him into the team
We were absolutely atrocious against Bournemouth in the first half, but Potter waited 10 minutes to bring Fullkrug on in the second half, that’s got nothing to do with fitness, that was Potter waiting to see if we could equalise and not have to bring Fullkrug on, seems to me he only brings him on when he’s desperate for a goal, not like the rest of us would do and simply play him as much as possible.

If anything it's the latter. Having Fullkrug (or any CF) on makes our already weak midfield that much weaker. I think this is the reason. When he's properly fit he'll start though- he can make up for it with his presence and pressing high up the pitch, not to mention making life a lot more difficult for their centre backs who let's face it are simply not troubled physically by any of our other players. It's too easy to win headers or possession really cleanly and set off good attacks. Being under serious pressure doesn't allow them to do that and gives us more of a chance to press and get more advanced. You can't commit forward if you know the ball is just coming straight back every time and setting up really good attacking positions for the opposition. IMO he will start on Saturday. 

That’s cos Potter is obsessed with playing ultra defensively 
in our last 3 games during the times that Fullkrug has been on the pitch we’ve scored 3 and conceded 2,
the time where he was sat on the bench in those games we scored 0 and conceded 3
somehow Potter would spin that info to make it sound like we’re better off playing without him, he’d see it that we concede less goals per minute without him in the team and just ignore the fact we need him to score 

Disagree on 'ultra defensive' as any sort of obsession of his, but it's clear our attacking ambitions are very limited by our complete lack of athleticism in the middle of the park, and it's clearly better in that situation to err on the side of caution rather than constantly strand them all upfield giving the oppo a field day running en masse at our back four. If it's still the same next season then I'll start to worry.
 
That article you posted only reinforces what I said that the lack of minutes for Fullkrug is down to injury concerns from overusing him at this point rather than anything else, and next season is the target. It clearly says the medical team are concerned about him playing more than 45 minutes in case he reinjures himself so there's your answer plain and simple.

[Maverick180180]

https://www.claretandhugh.info/west-ham ... y-concern/

If that’s true then the obvious reason why he hasn’t gained any fitness over the last 2 weeks is because he’s spending more and more time sat on the bench 
 

[Maverick180180]

Well, we will see. 

Everything I’m seeing suggests to me that Potter either doesn’t like Fullkrug or doesn’t like the formation he has to play in order to incorporate him into the team
We were absolutely atrocious against Bournemouth in the first half, but Potter waited 10 minutes to bring Fullkrug on in the second half, that’s got nothing to do with fitness, that was Potter waiting to see if we could equalise and not have to bring Fullkrug on, seems to me he only brings him on when he’s desperate for a goal, not like the rest of us would do and simply play him as much as possible.

If anything it's the latter. Having Fullkrug (or any CF) on makes our already weak midfield that much weaker. I think this is the reason. When he's properly fit he'll start though- he can make up for it with his presence and pressing high up the pitch, not to mention making life a lot more difficult for their centre backs who let's face it are simply not troubled physically by any of our other players. It's too easy to win headers or possession really cleanly and set off good attacks. Being under serious pressure doesn't allow them to do that and gives us more of a chance to press and get more advanced. You can't commit forward if you know the ball is just coming straight back every time and setting up really good attacking positions for the opposition. IMO he will start on Saturday. 

That’s cos Potter is obsessed with playing ultra defensively 
in our last 3 games during the times that Fullkrug has been on the pitch we’ve scored 3 and conceded 2,
the time where he was sat on the bench in those games we scored 0 and conceded 3
somehow Potter would spin that info to make it sound like we’re better off playing without him, he’d see it that we concede less goals per minute without him in the team and just ignore the fact we need him to score 

[El Scorchio]

Prepare to be shocked

Well, we will see. 

Everything I’m seeing suggests to me that Potter either doesn’t like Fullkrug or doesn’t like the formation he has to play in order to incorporate him into the team
We were absolutely atrocious against Bournemouth in the first half, but Potter waited 10 minutes to bring Fullkrug on in the second half, that’s got nothing to do with fitness, that was Potter waiting to see if we could equalise and not have to bring Fullkrug on, seems to me he only brings him on when he’s desperate for a goal, not like the rest of us would do and simply play him as much as possible.

If anything it's the latter. Having Fullkrug (or any CF) on makes our already weak midfield that much weaker. I think this is the reason. When he's properly fit he'll start though- he can make up for it with his presence and pressing high up the pitch, not to mention making life a lot more difficult for their centre backs who let's face it are simply not troubled physically by any of our other players. It's too easy to win headers or possession really cleanly and set off good attacks. Being under serious pressure doesn't allow them to do that and gives us more of a chance to press and get more advanced. You can't commit forward if you know the ball is just coming straight back every time and setting up really good attacking positions for the opposition. IMO he will start on Saturday. 

[Maverick180180]

I might be remembering it wrong with Lop then, but I felt he was a healthy scratch a lot more than perhaps he was. I don't see a great deal to grumble about with Potter's management of his return from injury though and it's not purely about minutes, it's also about how the game is going at that point. Yes I'd have liked to have seen him play more against Liverpool and that was probably the plan but we were on top so you could argue for not disrupting what was working at that time. He was never starting that one over starting this weekend though. As I just said I'll be shocked if he's not starting on Saturday. 

Prepare to be shocked

Well, we will see. 

Everything I’m seeing suggests to me that Potter either doesn’t like Fullkrug or doesn’t like the formation he has to play in order to incorporate him into the team
We were absolutely atrocious against Bournemouth in the first half, but Potter waited 10 minutes to bring Fullkrug on in the second half, that’s got nothing to do with fitness, that was Potter waiting to see if we could equalise and not have to bring Fullkrug on, seems to me he only brings him on when he’s desperate for a goal, not like the rest of us would do and simply play him as much as possible.

[El Scorchio]

Don't be daft. Why would playing for 30-40 minutes rather than 12 minutes stop him from starting a match 6 days later? If anything it would have helped him last longer and play better in the next game, as well as maybe giving us a chance to get something out of the Liverpool game.

All that stuff about caution and managing his minutes very closely could have just as easily been applied to Lopetegui, but in his case you made up that it was about spite.

I might be remembering it wrong with Lop then, but I felt he was a healthy scratch a lot more than perhaps he was. I don't see a great deal to grumble about with Potter's management of his return from injury though and it's not purely about minutes, it's also about how the game is going at that point. Yes I'd have liked to have seen him play more against Liverpool and that was probably the plan but we were on top so you could argue for not disrupting what was working at that time. He was never starting that one over starting this weekend though. As I just said I'll be shocked if he's not starting on Saturday. 

Prepare to be shocked

Well, we will see. 

[Maverick180180]

 

Don't be daft. Why would playing for 30-40 minutes rather than 12 minutes stop him from starting a match 6 days later? If anything it would have helped him last longer and play better in the next game, as well as maybe giving us a chance to get something out of the Liverpool game.

All that stuff about caution and managing his minutes very closely could have just as easily been applied to Lopetegui, but in his case you made up that it was about spite.

I might be remembering it wrong with Lop then, but I felt he was a healthy scratch a lot more than perhaps he was. I don't see a great deal to grumble about with Potter's management of his return from injury though and it's not purely about minutes, it's also about how the game is going at that point. Yes I'd have liked to have seen him play more against Liverpool and that was probably the plan but we were on top so you could argue for not disrupting what was working at that time. He was never starting that one over starting this weekend though. As I just said I'll be shocked if he's not starting on Saturday. 

Prepare to be shocked

[El Scorchio]

Clearly he played less against Liverpool so he can start against Saints. Potter is obviously going to use him as much as possible going forward but he's just been managing his minutes very closely. Arguably with too much caution as I think he probably has with Todibo, but the alternative is he gets hurt again so i can understand the caution with the bloke coming off two relatively long/serious injuries already this season. The objective should be to get him primed to start every game next season.

I do notice you omitted that Potter started him against Villa.

Don't be daft. Why would playing for 30-40 minutes rather than 12 minutes stop him from starting a match 6 days later? If anything it would have helped him last longer and play better in the next game, as well as maybe giving us a chance to get something out of the Liverpool game.

All that stuff about caution and managing his minutes very closely could have just as easily been applied to Lopetegui, but in his case you made up that it was about spite.

I might be remembering it wrong with Lop then, but I felt he was a healthy scratch a lot more than perhaps he was. I don't see a great deal to grumble about with Potter's management of his return from injury though and it's not purely about minutes, it's also about how the game is going at that point. Yes I'd have liked to have seen him play more against Liverpool and that was probably the plan but we were on top so you could argue for not disrupting what was working at that time. He was never starting that one over starting this weekend though. As I just said I'll be shocked if he's not starting on Saturday. 

[El Scorchio]

He's coming back from a serious injury. I assume by limiting his minutes particularly in a low expectation game like Liverpool away, he's being primed for a start on Saturday.


 

 

I hope you're right, but I thought the same after coming off the bench against Bournemouth and scoring, having over a week to recover from those 36 minutes that he would start against Liverpool.  But he was on the bench again.

Everyone expected him to start after his cameo's against Everton and Bournemouth and now once again we expect him to start against Southampton but I would not be surprised if once again he was left on the bench.

I'd be shocked if he doesn't start against Southampton. Especially as that's a game where we'll be expected to be on the front foot from the off, whereas Liverpool was clearly keep it tight and keep yourself in the game and try to finish strong.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Why not start with Fullkrug against Liverpool and replace him with Ferguson based on how he's going?  It's not like it's a choice between playing Fullkrug or playing no-one.  Otherwise what's the point of Ferguson.

We've got 2 fit strikers now, use them.


 

Surely its better to play him from the start after a full warm up rather than cold straight from the bench to avoid any muscle strains. Or does that make no difference!

[scott_d]

Why not start with Fullkrug against Liverpool and replace him with Ferguson based on how he's going?  It's not like it's a choice between playing Fullkrug or playing no-one.  Otherwise what's the point of Ferguson.

We've got 2 fit strikers now, use them.

 

[scott_d]

He's coming back from a serious injury. I assume by limiting his minutes particularly in a low expectation game like Liverpool away, he's being primed for a start on Saturday.

 

 

 

I hope you're right, but I thought the same after coming off the bench against Bournemouth and scoring, having over a week to recover from those 36 minutes that he would start against Liverpool.  But he was on the bench again.

Everyone expected him to start after his cameo's against Everton and Bournemouth and now once again we expect him to start against Southampton but I would not be surprised if once again he was left on the bench.

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

Clearly he played less against Liverpool so he can start against Saints. Potter is obviously going to use him as much as possible going forward but he's just been managing his minutes very closely. Arguably with too much caution as I think he probably has with Todibo, but the alternative is he gets hurt again so i can understand the caution with the bloke coming off two relatively long/serious injuries already this season. The objective should be to get him primed to start every game next season.

I do notice you omitted that Potter started him against Villa.

Don't be daft. Why would playing for 30-40 minutes rather than 12 minutes stop him from starting a match 6 days later? If anything it would have helped him last longer and play better in the next game, as well as maybe giving us a chance to get something out of the Liverpool game.

All that stuff about caution and managing his minutes very closely could have just as easily been applied to Lopetegui, but in his case you made up that it was about spite.

[El Scorchio]

Lopetegui I think didn't play him out of spite as a TS player, but Potter has used him basically every opportunity since he took over.

This is not how it was. At all.

At the start of the season Fullkrug had only done a week's training because of the Euros and stuff. He was clearly not fully fit. In the 4 games before getting injured, he started one and made 3 sub appearances. After he came back from his achilles injury, Lopetegui began playing him more and more each game: 34, 57, 68, 45, 90 mins. (The 45 mins was vs Liverpool). 

After that 90 min game Lopetegui was sacked and then Fullkrug got injured again in Potter's first game. Since then Potter has played him only 45, 36 and 12 minutes.

So there's little difference between the two managers in how they've used him, except that Lopetegui was using him more and more in each game as he returned from injury while Potter has been using him less and less.

Clearly he played less against Liverpool so he can start against Saints. Potter is obviously going to use him as much as possible going forward but he's just been managing his minutes very closely. Arguably with too much caution as I think he probably has with Todibo, but the alternative is he gets hurt again so i can understand the caution with the bloke coming off two relatively long/serious injuries already this season. The objective should be to get him primed to start every game next season.

I do notice you omitted that Potter started him against Villa.

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

Lopetegui I think didn't play him out of spite as a TS player, but Potter has used him basically every opportunity since he took over.

This is not how it was. At all.

At the start of the season Fullkrug had only done a week's training because of the Euros and stuff. He was clearly not fully fit. In the 4 games before getting injured, he started one and made 3 sub appearances. After he came back from his achilles injury, Lopetegui began playing him more and more each game: 34, 57, 68, 45, 90 mins. (The 45 mins was vs Liverpool). 

After that 90 min game Lopetegui was sacked and then Fullkrug got injured again in Potter's first game. Since then Potter has played him only 45, 36 and 12 minutes.

So there's little difference between the two managers in how they've used him, except that Lopetegui was using him more and more in each game as he returned from injury while Potter has been using him less and less.

[honky cat]

'Fit' as in available for selection. 

[Russ of the BML]

 
As others have commented  Pereira has turned Wolves aroound with the same players. 

But although they were a bit shit, they were a balanced team with fit players in their correct positions.

We have a motley bunch of square pegs in round holes, raspberries, oap's, slowbies, men who cant drive, a one man brazilian gambling syndicate and a couple who dont want to be there.

Really? They didn't look very balanced and fit when they couldn't buy a win under O'Neill. 

[honky cat]

 
As others have commented  Pereira has turned Wolves aroound with the same players. 

But although they were a bit shit, they were a balanced team with fit players in their correct positions.

We have a motley bunch of square pegs in round holes, raspberries, oap's, slowbies, men who cant drive, a one man brazilian gambling syndicate and a couple who dont want to be there.