Losing My Patience With Paqueta

[Cerveza Para Mi]

Sorry if it causes offence but I've had it with this bloke.  Sunday's performance was the best he's produced for a bloody long time imo but, right at the death, when an unlikely but deserved point was there for the taking he gets brushed in the back, falls over like a tart who's sunk too many G and T's and from the resulting corner the deserved point goes down the flusher.  

[Cerveza Para Mi]

Yeah agree.

But what would generate more of a reaction?  Calling out players for blatantly diving and cheating?  Or excusing them for it?

It could actually generate move views, clicks, listens etc if someone actually had the bollocks to be honest about these cheats.

Problem is though Scott, football fans being whatb we are, when the other team's bloke does it he's a cheat but when it's one of ours it's a foul.

[Cerveza Para Mi]

I think the Liverpool game was the best we have seen him play for a while. Lets see if he can have one of his purple patches to finish off the season. May be spurned on by the chance of a big move and the dropping of these betting allegations.

Too inconsistent to be a top top player but he would of course look much better at Man City should they come in for him again.

I'd be sad to see him go as he is a Maverick player that we dont see too often in the premier league these days. Capable of brilliance. Also a liability at times.

He is replaceable however unlike Rice imo.   


 

It'was the best he's played for around 12 months imo.  But my gripe was that after such a good performance he spolit it, for me at least, with his dying swan routine which imo cost uys a well deserved point.

If he could turn in that sort of perfromance on a regular basis and cut out the drama queen routine he'd be a massive asset. But, let's be brutally honest, he hasn't really justified his place in the team for a while, has he ?

[dealcanvey]

I think the Liverpool game was the best we have seen him play for a while. Lets see if he can have one of his purple patches to finish off the season. May be spurned on by the chance of a big move and the dropping of these betting allegations.

Too inconsistent to be a top top player but he would of course look much better at Man City should they come in for him again.

I'd be sad to see him go as he is a Maverick player that we dont see too often in the premier league these days. Capable of brilliance. Also a liability at times.

He is replaceable however unlike Rice imo.   

[scott_d]

Why shouldn't he go down when shoved in the back. Seriously you see it all the time, a defending player shielding the ball. The slightest contact from behind and they go down and get a free kick.. This wasn't a slight touch he tried to knock him out of the way it was a foul and should have been given. 

Maybe you should let Pep who bid £85 million for him know he's not good enough for City.... I'm sure he'd appreciate it.. 

Just because everyone does it, doesn't mean it's right.
If you are going to dive all over the place and go down in every instance, you are giving the referee a much harder task and you can't complain if the referee can't always spot the genuine foul in amongst all of the time you pretend to be fouled.

One of my biggest issues with modern football is diving and how acceptable it is in football these days and this is not an attach on Paqueta but acting in order to convince the referee that a foul occurred when it didn't - is cheating.  It's wrong and immoral and any clear and obvious incidents should be punishable by bans.  

Absolutely no-one in the game seems to give a shit about it though from one incident to the next.  Pundits and ex-pros even call it clever when players go down these days because it's part of the game.

I don't disagree, but my point was in this instance that he was genuinely fouled when you always see defenders shielding the ball waiting for the slighted touch to go down, this wasn't that. But yeah he does do that 

Nope, not necessarily the wrong thing for Paqueta to do, but everyone could predict that he was going to fling himself to the ground, even the referee, so it makes that decision so much harder for the ref to decide whether it was a genuine foul or not.
I reckon any other West Ham player and the foul is given but partly because they would not go down so dramatically.

[fraser]

Why shouldn't he go down when shoved in the back. Seriously you see it all the time, a defending player shielding the ball. The slightest contact from behind and they go down and get a free kick.. This wasn't a slight touch he tried to knock him out of the way it was a foul and should have been given. 

Maybe you should let Pep who bid £85 million for him know he's not good enough for City.... I'm sure he'd appreciate it.. 

Just because everyone does it, doesn't mean it's right.
If you are going to dive all over the place and go down in every instance, you are giving the referee a much harder task and you can't complain if the referee can't always spot the genuine foul in amongst all of the time you pretend to be fouled.

One of my biggest issues with modern football is diving and how acceptable it is in football these days and this is not an attach on Paqueta but acting in order to convince the referee that a foul occurred when it didn't - is cheating.  It's wrong and immoral and any clear and obvious incidents should be punishable by bans.  

Absolutely no-one in the game seems to give a shit about it though from one incident to the next.  Pundits and ex-pros even call it clever when players go down these days because it's part of the game.

I don't disagree, but my point was in this instance that he was genuinely fouled when you always see defenders shielding the ball waiting for the slighted touch to go down, this wasn't that. But yeah he does do that 

[scott_d]

Yeah agree.

But what would generate more of a reaction?  Calling out players for blatantly diving and cheating?  Or excusing them for it?

It could actually generate move views, clicks, listens etc if someone actually had the bollocks to be honest about these cheats.

[Mike Oxsaw]

..."Pundits and ex-pros even call it clever when players go down these days because it's part of the game."...

But it does generate more clicks & views though so if the pundits want to keep their jobs, they will always lean towards whatever makes their paymasters most money.

And, of course, the more money the media make, the more they can pay the PL for broadcasting rights the time the next contract discussions take place.

The integrity of the game can go fuck spiders.

[scott_d]

Why shouldn't he go down when shoved in the back. Seriously you see it all the time, a defending player shielding the ball. The slightest contact from behind and they go down and get a free kick.. This wasn't a slight touch he tried to knock him out of the way it was a foul and should have been given. 

Maybe you should let Pep who bid £85 million for him know he's not good enough for City.... I'm sure he'd appreciate it.. 

Just because everyone does it, doesn't mean it's right.
If you are going to dive all over the place and go down in every instance, you are giving the referee a much harder task and you can't complain if the referee can't always spot the genuine foul in amongst all of the time you pretend to be fouled.

One of my biggest issues with modern football is diving and how acceptable it is in football these days and this is not an attach on Paqueta but acting in order to convince the referee that a foul occurred when it didn't - is cheating.  It's wrong and immoral and any clear and obvious incidents should be punishable by bans.  

Absolutely no-one in the game seems to give a shit about it though from one incident to the next.  Pundits and ex-pros even call it clever when players go down these days because it's part of the game.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

I've lost my patience with the gormless shiny toothed cսnt in the dugout

Karren doesn't park her arse in the cheap seats mate..you should know that

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

This new user has a whiff of bullshit about them.

she's my Peruvian sister.

[Iron Duke]

I don’t think he is that great. If we could get £50m for him I would sell him. He is our most creative player, but that’s not saying much. He loses the ball in dangerous places and is very bad at feigning injury, which is why he rarely gets a free kick. He has his moments though, and he played very well when it mattered in the Conference League final (unlike Rice), and set up the winning goal so I’ll always be grateful for that. But lets face it, he’s no Eyal Berkovic.

[BoleynGone]

I would love to have Paqueta here next year if he's the player we know he can/wants/needs to be. 
But seriuosly if that's his best game against Liverpool he can go. Kudus was better,created more,had more shot's,held several players off and not like Paqueta fall over when he lost the ball. I'd rather keep Kudus as I feel Paqueta is more replacable.
He won't be a first team player at City or Liverpool not for awhile.
He's had more poor games than good the last 2 years.
However he should be playing EL or CL next season.
Down to out top management that we haven't qualified for Europe with the players we have.

 

[ATHammer]

Why shouldn't he go down when shoved in the back. Seriously you see it all the time, a defending player shielding the ball. The slightest contact from behind and they go down and get a free kick.. This wasn't a slight touch he tried to knock him out of the way it was a foul and should have been given. 

Maybe you should let Pep who bid £85 million for him know he's not good enough for City.... I'm sure he'd appreciate it.. 

Couldn't agree more. If it had been one of their players shoved over, or a similar corner at the other end with Fulkrug pushing Van Dyke to score the victims would be howling for a day of mourning at the injustice, not lambasting one of their own.
I also note the "get rid, there are better out there" comments. Possibly true. However, we are, and probably will finish, 17th; Sullivan will be "doing a deal"; the manager is divisive; our best players are probably leaving; the ground and training facilities are of questionable quality; and the fan base is in some cases disillusioned, and, again, becoming tetchy. 
So how do what do we offer beyond London and money to attract the "better out there" and why do we insist on giving shit to one of our better players?  

[fraser]

Ran out of patience with him a long time ago.

For some reason pundits keep calling him a "presence" and "creative spark" yet he has 0 assists, 4 goals including 2 pens this season. Has been way off it 2 seasons in a row now, gives the ball away far too much, dives.

Didn't play against Arsenal and Chelsea away and we looked better without him.

You can't pick and choose games though can you, we played better against Newcastle and Liverpool than those two games and he was motm in both. 


Such an easy game isn't it finding 2 games we were decent in and saying it was because he didn't play, I bet I can find loads of games he didn't play in and we were shit.. 

[Brentwood-112]

Ran out of patience with him a long time ago.

For some reason pundits keep calling him a "presence" and "creative spark" yet he has 0 assists, 4 goals including 2 pens this season. Has been way off it 2 seasons in a row now, gives the ball away far too much, dives.

Didn't play against Arsenal and Chelsea away and we looked better without him.

[Rossal]

Why shouldn't he go down when shoved in the back. Seriously you see it all the time, a defending player shielding the ball. The slightest contact from behind and they go down and get a free kick.. This wasn't a slight touch he tried to knock him out of the way it was a foul and should have been given. 

Maybe you should let Pep who bid £85 million for him know he's not good enough for City.... I'm sure he'd appreciate it.. 

Because he didnt have to, the contact didnt make him go to ground he chose to.  In the position he was in stay up keep the ball and stop them attacking us. 

We'll see if Pep comes back in for him ay, certainly wont be even half of £85m thats for sure and there's a reason for that 

[Eerie Decent]

Paqueta is simply not consistent enough in giving good performances although I can understand this season that his head has been all over the place.  He tends, like the team, to do better against teams that do not sit deep in a low block with 10 behind the ball.  If there is space he will find it.  

He’s the best central midfielder we got though.  The squad has Alvarez, Paqueta, JWP, Soucek, Soler and Irvine to choose from. I’ve long come to the conclusion that any 2, even 3 or 4 of them on the pitch cannot meet the physical and athletic demands of the Premier League.  We need 3 replacements at least for that area in the summer and sell Soucek and Alvarez assuming we can decent fees for them.  Irvine and Soler will be gone anyway you would think?   Those we need to bring in to the squad for central midfield can include one or both of Earthy and Potts but we need to buy some athletic types with pace and strength without doubt.  

All comes down to whether Macaulay has identified the right targets, and whether Sullivan can get deals done? The last part I have little confidence in happening. Sullivan has largely wreaked havoc and failure for all of the 15 years he’s been owner. 

The dream is Macaulay has identified some yping, fast developing players not yet on the radars of too many other clubs. But if they are not “razzle dazzle” players who have played at one of Europe’s big clubs, Sullivan wont be interested. 

I don't agree at all, a midfield of Alvarez, Soler & Paqueta is more than good enough. Fuck knows why Soler hasn't been given a run in his proper position, on the very few occasions we have played him in centre mid, they've been our best performances. Newcastle away was easily our best performance this season, Soler played centre mid.

It's baffling how JWP starts every game no matter what.

[fraser]

Why shouldn't he go down when shoved in the back. Seriously you see it all the time, a defending player shielding the ball. The slightest contact from behind and they go down and get a free kick.. This wasn't a slight touch he tried to knock him out of the way it was a foul and should have been given. 

Maybe you should let Pep who bid £85 million for him know he's not good enough for City.... I'm sure he'd appreciate it.. 

[Rossal]

Assists can be a weird one, Sunday for instance he was the best player on the pitch. His great ball caused the goal, not an assist. He put Bowen through one on one a chance he should have taken not an assist. His clever quick back heel started off the move that resulted in the Kudus shot.. A few other excellent passes resulted in nothing so he got 0 assists... It doesn't mean he was shit.. Of course there have been games where he has done fuck all.

But lots of goals he's been involved in without assisting. 

If rumours are true he's off to City, so yes he will be difficult to replace unless you think we're getting someone who would be at their level. 

Yes he dives and it is often pathetic too, but he was fouled Sunday and I was just reading Dermot Gallagher saying if it had led directly to the goal it would have been sent to VAR and disallowed just another shit decision at Anfield, he was between the ball and Mcallistar who just barged him from behind.. A foul all day long. 



 

Still a player of his supposed quality, a playmaker no 10 etc and not one assist. That's shocking. 

He didn't need to go down like he did, it was a shit cheap shot at trying to buy a free kick and it backfired. He has to own that, we've seen it so many times before. Again for a player of his abilities he doesn't need to do that. 

Can't see him going to Man City, he just isn't good enough. To replace him we need someone who will get 5 goals and 5 assists with what around £40m to spend.....shouldn't be too difficult. 

[fraser]

Assists can be a weird one, Sunday for instance he was the best player on the pitch. His great ball caused the goal, not an assist. He put Bowen through one on one a chance he should have taken not an assist. His clever quick back heel started off the move that resulted in the Kudus shot.. A few other excellent passes resulted in nothing so he got 0 assists... It doesn't mean he was shit.. Of course there have been games where he has done fuck all.

But lots of goals he's been involved in without assisting. 

If rumours are true he's off to City, so yes he will be difficult to replace unless you think we're getting someone who would be at their level. 

Yes he dives and it is often pathetic too, but he was fouled Sunday and I was just reading Dermot Gallagher saying if it had led directly to the goal it would have been sent to VAR and disallowed just another shit decision at Anfield, he was between the ball and Mcallistar who just barged him from behind.. A foul all day long. 


 

[Rossal]

According to Whoscored he has ZERO assists this season in prem?  Can't be right can it? 

Only 4 goals aswell of which half were pens 

'difficult to replace'    really? 

[wils]

Fuck my old boots! Noble and DiCanio often fell to the invisible touch with a lot less abuse. Kane; Saka; Sallah; Son and Grealish are all stalked by a regiment of snipers but you rarely, if ever, do you hear their clubs supporters moan about them. 
I doubt he will be here next year and I will miss him. Not just his skill and passing but his willingness to get stuck in. Yes, he has gone missing on occasion. With a procession of average managers, the appalling FA "enquiry", enhancing his quality of life and now this sort of shit from his own supporters.
Consider this. Next season there is no European football; with no stars to attract potential signings to play with, it looks like Kudus is off too, what do we have to offer? Add in Rush Green; Sullivan doing the transfer negotiations and a bang average manager who has already split the fan base, quicker than both Moyes and Loppetegui, and things don't look good.
So what the fuck are we going to replace him with? "Potter players will make us better?" How? If Potts and Earthy, in whom I have hopes, don't have stellar seasons then the bar starts with Ward-Prowse and Soucek, willing triers but simply not good enough.
Paqueta has been the best player on the pitch for the last three games, bordering world class in an average, badly set up team. That he cares was evident when he banged the ground in frustration when he misplaced a pass at Liverpool. In a shit season I look forward to seeing his, potentially, last games for us and will never join in with slagging off some4one who has given us moments of sheer brilliance.   

I don't think many of Paquetas critics here would disagree with what you say here. He is clearly capable of brilliance as he showed on Sunday. The question is whether his mistakes/sloppiness is costing the team more than he contributes. Sunday again being a good example. He was undoubtably instrumental in all the attacks. But if you then do something that costs us a point as he did on Sunday, then its all for nothing. And in my view he is doing the latter at least as much if not more than the former. So, yes, you are right, if he goes we will miss some breathtaking brilliance that we wont easily be able to replace. But I don't think it will affect our points tally.

[Rossal]

Fuck my old boots! Noble and DiCanio often fell to the invisible touch with a lot less abuse. Kane; Saka; Sallah; Son and Grealish are all stalked by a regiment of snipers but you rarely, if ever, do you hear their clubs supporters moan about them. 
I doubt he will be here next year and I will miss him. Not just his skill and passing but his willingness to get stuck in. Yes, he has gone missing on occasion. With a procession of average managers, the appalling FA "enquiry", enhancing his quality of life and now this sort of shit from his own supporters.
Consider this. Next season there is no European football; with no stars to attract potential signings to play with, it looks like Kudus is off too, what do we have to offer? Add in Rush Green; Sullivan doing the transfer negotiations and a bang average manager who has already split the fan base, quicker than both Moyes and Loppetegui, and things don't look good.
So what the fuck are we going to replace him with? "Potter players will make us better?" How? If Potts and Earthy, in whom I have hopes, don't have stellar seasons then the bar starts with Ward-Prowse and Soucek, willing triers but simply not good enough.
Paqueta has been the best player on the pitch for the last three games, bordering world class in an average, badly set up team. That he cares was evident when he banged the ground in frustration when he misplaced a pass at Liverpool. In a shit season I look forward to seeing his, potentially, last games for us and will never join in with slagging off some4one who has given us moments of sheer brilliance.   

Paqueta has been hugely disappointing for a while. Was great sunday then dives and costs us the point. One performance doesn't excuse him being awful for most of the season. For a blessed creative maestro he doesn't score or assists nearly half as much as he should. 

Cash in, there's better out there and we still have plenty of pull to potential signings. 

[cholo]

I thought had it been anyone else going down there it'd have been given.

Refs, just like everyone else know all too well Paquetas antics. He's a victim of his own theatrics.

[pdcwhu]

Totally agree