Potter Out

[THUNDERCLINT]

Had enough of this arogrant no mark now.  

11 games, 27% win ratio and 0.66 goals per game.

Either the break clause is true or this flake quits otherwise were proper fucked.

[Mad Ferret]

We ended up sacking Moyes and employing the Spanish Moyes, sacking him and employing the English Lopetegui.

Bizarre indeed.

[Eerie Decent]

Exactly where I'm at, Rossal.

If he took over with us in a relegation battle, you could understand us going all out negative, like he has.

Instead, 14th in the league, no threat of relegation because of the 3 diabolical teams down there, an England international forward at your disposal, Kudus, Paqueta, yet he's shut up shop and made us the worst attacking team in the whole league.

Given the last couple of years, he didn't need to do a lot to keep us onside. Play his cuntball away, attack teams at home. Results wouldn't have mattered had we seen him giving it a go at our place, he had the PERFECT situation.

Absolutely baffling.

[Rossal]

I am with Eerie, amazed some people want to give him millions and the summer still. 

Yes the club is in a bit of shit at the moment, but the main doom and gloom is the shit we're watching on the pitch week in week out. On the pitch the whole season has been abysmal. We're watching shit players in a shit system play shit football and get shit results and the majority of that falls on the manager. 

Potter has had months of training, no pressure from the drop and a few international breaks to stamp his mark on this squad. What exactly are we better at now than when he came in.....we don't concede as much that's literally it is it? 

Since his first game in charge where to be fair we looked decent we haven't scored 3 goals. We've only managed more than one against Leicester and Bournemouth. Not a single away game we've managed to score more than once. 

The tactics are shit, the subs sometimes are baffling and we can't create fuck all. Its just sideways and backwards till it goes wide. 

The dressing room seems a mess, there must be discontent after the Fullkrug interview.....then he basically admits half the team aint listening to the manager and they areent playing for him 

and some want to give him millions and oversee a huge rebuild in the summer?   I thought after a few years off and this being a pivotol moment in his prem career he would turn up all guns firing and get a real tune out of us till the end of the season. 

But like the team he has woefully underperformed. To see a turnaround anywhere near whats needed to even stay in the division next season seems unlikely to me. 

Fuck him off, go buy a decent manager off another club and one that can actually coach a fucking football team to defend and score goals. 

 

[Massive Attack]

one of my biggest problems with Moyes was the inevitable driving away of talented players (mostly strikers), because of his style of football. it's happening again, so don't be shocked if Bowen fucks off if a club shows interest
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It's sadly getting to a point where we'd be surprised if he didn't want to go elsewhere with much less hassle and more of a good chance to win Silverware especially in the Champions League where his ability should belong. At this moment in time he's completely wasting his talent just 1 place outside the relegation zone. Such is the class of the bloke and genuine love for the Club that he won't admit it to himself or kick up a stink for a move.

[Eerie Decent]

We were 13th/14th when he turned up, well clear of the diabolical Wolves team & the diabolical Everton team at the time.

We're now behind them both, and our form since he came matches Leicester & Southampton (not quite Ipswich).

How do you work out that little conundrum, Creep Dreaming son?


 

Do you feel tough to make my username different just because I don't share your views on this?
Do you think I get offended by that, like this is my real name or something? Grow up

No, it's clearly water off a duck's back.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Massive, just as an example.
How many managers have tried to get Man U onto their ambitional level?
Has it been only poor managers, or more to it than that you think ?

Man u you say.

Hmm, ten Hag is still out of work.

Got to be better than Cock Piss Potter.

[Ladysmith]

one of my biggest problems with Moyes was the inevitable driving away of talented players (mostly strikers), because of his style of football. it's happening again, so don't be shocked if Bowen fucks off if a club shows interest
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Regardless of Potter, I said all along than Bowen will go in the summer.

[Takashi Miike]

one of my biggest problems with Moyes was the inevitable driving away of talented players (mostly strikers), because of his style of football. it's happening again, so don't be shocked if Bowen fucks off if a club shows interest
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[Massive Attack]

You keep on banging about that same old bollocks about the managers job to keep them motivated. Get real, it isn't as simple as that.



 

 

 

OK my mistake, a Coach/Manager's job isn’t at all to motivate player's. I mean, it's the first time I've ever heard anyone say that but I'm sure you're right..

[Keep dreaming]

Massive, just as an example.
How many managers have tried to get Man U onto their ambitional level?
Has it been only poor managers, or more to it than that you think ?

[Keep dreaming]

We were 13th/14th when he turned up, well clear of the diabolical Wolves team & the diabolical Everton team at the time.

We're now behind them both, and our form since he came matches Leicester & Southampton (not quite Ipswich).

How do you work out that little conundrum, Creep Dreaming son?

 

Do you feel tough to make my username different just because I don't share your views on this?
Do you think I get offended by that, like this is my real name or something? Grow up

[Keep dreaming]

You keep on banging about that same old bollocks about the managers job to keep them motivated. Get real, it isn't as simple as that.
The club is in a mess, and this is no longer about this or that manager.
 

[Eerie Decent]

We were 13th/14th when he turned up, well clear of the diabolical Wolves team & the diabolical Everton team at the time.

We're now behind them both, and our form since he came matches Leicester & Southampton (not quite Ipswich).

How do you work out that little conundrum, Creep Dreaming son?
 

[Massive Attack]

It's just bollocks saying it's the managers duty to make the players perform. 

It's one of the main jobs a Coach has is to get the player's to perform. Motivation, man management and playing to their strengths is all on a Coach. Otherwise what the fuck is he doing in the job at all if he isn't getting his player's to perform..

[Keep dreaming]

I have to laugh at some of the posts and reactions against Potter.
Someone even said we had an incredible amount of quality players in our squad that most teams would be happy to get hold of. And even a post saying Bowen had become shit under Potter.

Look, I'm no big fan of Potter, but if people are so narrow minded about what's going on in and around the club, and concludes with everything being Potters fault, and that things would be rosy with Fonesca or any other manager, you just have to laugh.

16 players are about to be released and/or sold.
What impact does that have on a club closing to the end of season with nothing to play for?

It's just bollocks saying it's the managers duty to make the players perform. It's just plain stupid form where the club are at the moment.

[Massive Attack]

Eddie Howe is the Englishman both Potter and Southgate wish they were. A winner and tactician who is able to adapt to situations well but also do it in a very attacking style most of the time at the top level. Howe was the English manager I wanted when we decided to sack Bilic. Had we done that and made our move for Howe when few were really interested in him down at Bournemouth then we'd be in a much better place now than we currently find ourselves in as a Club. 

[Takashi Miike]

Massive…

Just shows how many sub-intellects there are in and around football in UK…

He Is a boring mediocre midlander that spouts repetitive word salad in a soporific drone…with as much energy on match days on the sidelines as a dead fish…

I blame Sullivan and Brady for hiring him…

5 million a year plus long contract…ridiculous…

3 wins out of 13 with minimal goals…lowest goal attempts and mismanagement of line ups and subs is pathetic…

Poor man’s Southgate…

Never rated him…



 

I agree with most of that, but that's an insult to Southgate, and I didn't/don't like him either

[MaryMillingtonsGhost]

Want him gone now but, with Sullivan and Brady involved they will only find us yet another useless cսnt. Potter is a symptom of the Sullivan, anti-football disease he has inflicted on our club from the outset.
All I want is to watch some entertaining football. Potter had the tools to do that and had a free hit this year, but proved totally incapable of doing anything but "shoring up the defence". Well done, however the results are actually worse than when we leaked like a sieve because we score so few goals!
Much more than wanting Potter to go I would dearly love to see Sullivan and Brady leave but, sadly that won't happen. 

 

 

 

 

This.
100% this.

[Tomsdad]

Ex-Chelsea.

When will we learn!

[Texas Iron]

Massive…

Just shows how many sub-intellects there are in and around football in UK…

He Is a boring mediocre midlander that spouts repetitive word salad in a soporific drone…with as much energy on match days on the sidelines as a dead fish…

I blame Sullivan and Brady for hiring him…

5 million a year plus long contract…ridiculous…

3 wins out of 13 with minimal goals…lowest goal attempts and mismanagement of line ups and subs is pathetic…

Poor man’s Southgate…

Never rated him…


 

[Massive Attack]

I'm struggling to understand the apathy towards what we're seeing. I think it's because most are so focused on Sullivan (rightly so) that they're choosing to ignore (or absolve blame for) the shockingly poor performance of the manager.

He's just one of these sickly Teflon characters that talks a great game which seems to hypnotise everyone in to believing he can do no wrong and is in fact a masterful manager with a great track record. However once you do manage to break away from his hypnotic spell and see the reality, you'll then soon realise the bloke is absolutely stealing a living at the top level and on amazing money for the privilege too. Potter has managed to cast a great spell on everyone by way of his M & S makeover and smooth talking that everyone from the Media, Boardroom, Player's and Fans wanted to hear about how great the Club, Fans and his management is that even Harry Potter would be proud of.

[stubbo]

That's the huge issue for me, Stubbo, we have some outrageous talent in that squad, most of the team in the league would kill to have some of our players.

The biggest clue is Bowen. Yes he scored the other day, but let's not pretend he played well. He has been shocking since Potter came in, but he's getting away with it because of his past with us, rightly so, but it doesn't change the reality of his current form.

I'm struggling to understand the apathy towards what we're seeing. I think it's because most are so focused on Sullivan (rightly so) that they're choosing to ignore (or absolve blame for) the shockingly poor performance of the manager.

I think the apathy is driven by the inability to effect any real change.  The root cause is the leadership of the Club, not the first team.  

The fanbase as a whole is essentially in a state of surrender where Sullivan is concerned having been abused en masse....suspect most are awaiting his earthly departure, and see that as a more viable route to change than any kind of protest now.

And lets face it, while he remains, his track record of managerial hires is such we know we'll only ever get the dregs.  This has been evidenced throughout his time at West Ham, and at Birmingham before here.

Sullivan is a huge problem.  The rest of the board that seemingly don't recognise it (or are happy to go along with it) are also an equally big problem.

But once he decided that Steidten, and that whole model of having a Director of Football, was a bust....we were doomed.  We're back in the cycle of 'new manager, change everything'.  No sustainability, no succession planning, lurching from one approach to the next, relentless need for large squad churn, and a managerial and signings focus on short term results only.

The apathy is inevitable as there is simply not vision for the club to support.  Potter is simply a symptom of this...you can be angry about his under performance, or frustrated, or annoyed. But it's inevitable....he wasn't hired with any startegic thinking.  He wasn't identified as 'who we want'...just 'who we can get'. 

It's fair to say at this point that Lopetegui was actually doing a better job than Potter was....and we weren't wrong to recognise he was hopeless too.  But why be surprised by that....Lopetegui's career is far more 'stellar' than Potter.

We're broken.  Changing manager is papering over the cracks (ineffectively).  And we can't even do that well.  Sullivan has systematically dismantled the passion within the fanbase....the stadium move, the self interest, the pandering to tourists over historical fan base, the Brady-fication of the non-playing side of the club, and now the Brady-fication of the playing side of the club.

Our best and only hope of delivery from the state we're in is Sullivan's departure from West Ham by whatever means makes it happen first.  At that point, even if it passes to his Son's, there will at least be a hope they can be influenced to be different.

[Eerie Decent]

That's the huge issue for me, Stubbo, we have some outrageous talent in that squad, most of the team in the league would kill to have some of our players.

The biggest clue is Bowen. Yes he scored the other day, but let's not pretend he played well. He has been shocking since Potter came in, but he's getting away with it because of his past with us, rightly so, but it doesn't change the reality of his current form.

I'm struggling to understand the apathy towards what we're seeing. I think it's because most are so focused on Sullivan (rightly so) that they're choosing to ignore (or absolve blame for) the shockingly poor performance of the manager.

[stubbo]

I think at this point, there are few things we need to be sensible about.

1. Whoever is in charge needs to set us up to play in a way that gets our best players playing well, and makes them effecrtive even when not playing well.
   
   Basically a Strengths and Weaknesses assessment...and if that means with the squad we have we should be playing counter-attack then so be it.
2. Realistically, we can't expect to either sell all our best players and replace them with unproven yound players, and get better.  Nor can we realitically expect to change 6 or 7 first team starters, and have a good season...the hit rate for new signings into the Premier League simply isn't good enough to make this viable.

So what does that mean.  It's on Potter to properly have assessed our squad and found a way of playing that gets the best out of Bowen, Kudus, Paqueta, Fullkrug (when fit), Alvarez, Todibo, Wan Bissaka, and maybe Kilman.  You'd say that on balance they are our 'best' players.

Even when we were in the death throes of the Moyes reign, we still looked like (and were) scoring goals....and that's because we had players that thrived in counter attacking situations, and when we weren't being pumped by poor defending, we were still dangerous in transition.  We showed the same against Southampton with our very well worked goal being straight out of the Moyes playbook...Paqueta playing the long quarterback style pass from deep, working the ball down the left, and then feeding Bowen moving in from the right into a one-on-one, cutting inside and scoring.

At this point, IMO, Potter has no excuse for having failed to work all this out.  He's had time with the whole squad, he's had time to study us pre-arrival, and he's still not effectively engineering the situations that make us dangerous.

We're not a club that can afford to appoint a manager, set a bin fire to all the best current players in the squad because they don't fit the incoming vision, and go build from scratch.  We have some excellent players if put in the situations they thrive in, and it's up to the manager to work out how to create those situations consistently, whilst not being on the receiving end of a shellacking when out of possession.

As far as I can see, he's failed miserably in doing this so far.  Maybe he will jettison half the squad and turn us from a Caterpillar into a Butterfly...but at this point I don't see it.  If we lose Paqueta, Kudus, Alvarez, Todibo....it's HIGHLY unlikely we'll sign players of equivalent talent.  The crime right now is the way we're setting up, we're making these excellent players look like total bums....which they're not.

[Eerie Decent]

So if he has these players underperforming, including Bowen who has a first class attitude, what makes you think that will change next season?

His team's have always been shot shy, that's always been the criticism of him, and by fuck, have we seen that play out.

Still, regardless, you'll get your wish, he'll be here next season. I hope to fuck I'm wrong, nothing I'd love more than for us to be a good team with an English manager. Fingers crossed (because it's definitely in hope rather than from a single thing we've seen from him).