Potter Out

[THUNDERCLINT]

Had enough of this arogrant no mark now.  

11 games, 27% win ratio and 0.66 goals per game.

Either the break clause is true or this flake quits otherwise were proper fucked.

[Eerie Decent]

Sir Alf reckons Wolves have now got a better squad than ours, even though under GON they looked as shit as Southampton. New manager, now they apparently have brilliant players.

He's just using all this to get out the daily anger, every waking moment, obsessing with Sullivan.

[Maverick180180]

Also Swiss, Sullivan will take back appointing the manager again after Brady got it wrong ( conveniently ignoring his 9 or 10 managerial failures at West Ham and Brum ) and most probably appoint someone who is even worse. Yes its within his powers of incompetence to do so.

I thought the other day, Sullivan should go full blown Watford and just keep appointing out of work managers each 6 months from all the world, build a no compensation clause in all their contracts, until one unexpectedly is not a disaster perhaps due again to some external factor ( e.g. another pandemic and no crowds )?   "Scattergun on steroids" relying on the probability.  Probably the only way again he could appoint the right man because the club and Sullivan has no plan, no vision, no strategic plan or operating plan to deliver against the strategy.   They do not have the requirements defined for the manager they want because they dont have the aforementioned strategy or plan for the requirements in the first place.   

Watford's turmoil and chaos soon led them back to the Championship and that seems currently where we are still headed.  The league form demise, imo, traces back to early 2022 the second half of the 2nd Moyes season I think it was. These things are not linear and there was a brief revival and some freakish luck with results up to xmas, the season after the Conf final win but the overall trajectory has been downwards if not always just results certainly performances.  Arguably, Lingard's loan was the only reason it didnt set in earlier under Moyes.   Alan Irvine stepping back around that time may also have been a big factor behind why the squad under Moyes's in the league just fell away.  No one really knows but it did seem to start happening a while later and these things tend to have a delayed effect?

These things eventually catch up,  without the Euro campaigns masking the decline, the tipping point to us going into free fall towards the Championship, for me, was the departure of Rice. Yes we had Alvarez and Kudus briefly masking it and that freakish set of results under Moyes before xmas ( who remembers those batterings, chance wise, against Arsenal and Spurs which we somehow won and were sitting sixth).  

No manager imo, even the flavour of the month Perriera and more proven Glasner, would provide the "quick fix" we all wanted under Lopetegui and now Potter.  Because Sullivan makes it up ( if there is actually anything of substance) as he goes, the recruitment has largely been a disaster, catastrophic as a collective whole with each window being unconnected to the previous one and building on a foundations of sand.  Yes some players purchased are talented, good buys if viewed as individuals but combine to be lesser not more as a "sum of the parts".  We have a disjointed approach at best. Different managers, different styles all buying to their whims.  Nothing fits together.  Any basic business analysis, shows West Ham are a "poster child" for why businesses fail.

The squad is a "swiss cheese" in terms of balance and that has been and still is the biggest issue .  Moyes, managerial "Will he stay, will he go" circus, solely the result of Sullivan's indecisiveness and perhaps "hedging" and no doubt attempt to minimise the cost of getting rid, led to Moyes almost deliberately weakening the squad, no taking opportunities to strengthen it in January one example?

So, 3 months into Potter's reign, half of the time Lopetegui had, he seems to be the latest focus for why we are unable to halt a decline that began a long while back.  A new manager? We might get another unintended accident and get someone who can revive our fortunes in the short term but I would bet the farm on it not being sustainable.   I dont like either option but today, this moment, feel we might as well give Potter the window and until Oct. Thats what will happen anyway.  I might well change my mind when we lose to Tottenham but that's where my old git thinking is. Fvcking depressing aint it?

 

 

You say other managers wouldn’t be able to fix the problems we have, but to be fair that’s just guessing 

there’s been plenty of times in the past where I’ve looked at teams and thought they’re definitely going down, shit manager and a shit squad and then another manager comes in and suddenly the whole thing changes, players that looked shit suddenly turn into proper players 

You might be right, but until we actually get in a decent manager who’s not out of work for being a joke, it’s impossible to say for sure 

[Lee Trundle]

The longer I see him managing us this season, the less I want him to continue on in the summer.

Literally the only thing he's improved is that we don't look like a team that's going to be tonked.  But pretty much everything else has gone backwards under him.

[greenie1]

Potter is not entirely to blame here. Its previous management, the owners, directors and the players. They all need to be accountable for the current situation. It stinks from top to bottom.

At the time of Potter going to Chelsea, I was scratching my head as to why they wanted him and more the point, why on earth would he go to Chelsea, they don't hang around when things go bad and I thought at the time he would struggle. Turns out (mentioned below) that he had problems with his mental health after Chelsea. Potter talking to the media over the past few days, comes across as someone who should perhaps quit management due to his previous health problems. Personally, he sounds like someone who has not fully recovered.

As mentioned before by myself and others on here, winning the trophy papered over the cracks. 

[Sir Alf]

Maybe or Emery would have walked if we got him with Sullivan interfering in his transfer activities or claiming poverty when Emery wanted certain players?  

[Fauxstralian]

Gerrard was manager when we beat Villa away in an abysmal game between 2 appalling teams via a fluke deflected goal by Fornals
Villa acted & appointed Emery
Now they are in the Champions league (& challenging to return next season) & an FA Cup semi final
I suspect if we’d appointed Emery that week he’d have won the Europa League as well as the Conference & we’d be closer to where Villa are now

[Sir Alf]

Also Swiss, Sullivan will take back appointing the manager again after Brady got it wrong ( conveniently ignoring his 9 or 10 managerial failures at West Ham and Brum ) and most probably appoint someone who is even worse. Yes its within his powers of incompetence to do so.

I thought the other day, Sullivan should go full blown Watford and just keep appointing out of work managers each 6 months from all the world, build a no compensation clause in all their contracts, until one unexpectedly is not a disaster perhaps due again to some external factor ( e.g. another pandemic and no crowds )?   "Scattergun on steroids" relying on the probability.  Probably the only way again he could appoint the right man because the club and Sullivan has no plan, no vision, no strategic plan or operating plan to deliver against the strategy.   They do not have the requirements defined for the manager they want because they dont have the aforementioned strategy or plan for the requirements in the first place.   

Watford's turmoil and chaos soon led them back to the Championship and that seems currently where we are still headed.  The league form demise, imo, traces back to early 2022 the second half of the 2nd Moyes season I think it was. These things are not linear and there was a brief revival and some freakish luck with results up to xmas, the season after the Conf final win but the overall trajectory has been downwards if not always just results certainly performances.  Arguably, Lingard's loan was the only reason it didnt set in earlier under Moyes.   Alan Irvine stepping back around that time may also have been a big factor behind why the squad under Moyes's in the league just fell away.  No one really knows but it did seem to start happening a while later and these things tend to have a delayed effect?

These things eventually catch up,  without the Euro campaigns masking the decline, the tipping point to us going into free fall towards the Championship, for me, was the departure of Rice. Yes we had Alvarez and Kudus briefly masking it and that freakish set of results under Moyes before xmas ( who remembers those batterings, chance wise, against Arsenal and Spurs which we somehow won and were sitting sixth).  

No manager imo, even the flavour of the month Perriera and more proven Glasner, would provide the "quick fix" we all wanted under Lopetegui and now Potter.  Because Sullivan makes it up ( if there is actually anything of substance) as he goes, the recruitment has largely been a disaster, catastrophic as a collective whole with each window being unconnected to the previous one and building on a foundations of sand.  Yes some players purchased are talented, good buys if viewed as individuals but combine to be lesser not more as a "sum of the parts".  We have a disjointed approach at best. Different managers, different styles all buying to their whims.  Nothing fits together.  Any basic business analysis, shows West Ham are a "poster child" for why businesses fail.

The squad is a "swiss cheese" in terms of balance and that has been and still is the biggest issue .  Moyes, managerial "Will he stay, will he go" circus, solely the result of Sullivan's indecisiveness and perhaps "hedging" and no doubt attempt to minimise the cost of getting rid, led to Moyes almost deliberately weakening the squad, no taking opportunities to strengthen it in January one example?

So, 3 months into Potter's reign, half of the time Lopetegui had, he seems to be the latest focus for why we are unable to halt a decline that began a long while back.  A new manager? We might get another unintended accident and get someone who can revive our fortunes in the short term but I would bet the farm on it not being sustainable.   I dont like either option but today, this moment, feel we might as well give Potter the window and until Oct. Thats what will happen anyway.  I might well change my mind when we lose to Tottenham but that's where my old git thinking is. Fvcking depressing aint it?

[Massive Attack]

Howe and Emery were the one's I'd previously called for the Club to get, instead we got Moyes twice. That's the level of short-sighted incompetency from our short-armed and long pocketed Owners. 

The thing is the likes of Howe and Emery are attainable if you time it right and show enough ambition. Both Newcastle and Villa were flirting with relegation when they respectively took over each Club (19th and 16th) , so it goes to show it can be pissible to get a hugh calibre of manager if you really want them enough.

[Fauxstralian]

Over the last few years we could have had Frank, Glasner, Iraola , Emery and the Brighton manager
Of course apart from Emery none had previous Premier league experience so were rejected out of hand by Sullivan
Talk that Lady Brady had an influence in pick Potter
Brady & Sullivan making managerial decisions instead of board members who are FOOTBALL people or a similar DoF
Our board has no one with football experience 
Plenty of Sullivans, Golds & maybe still one of Sullivans old porn actresses 

[Swiss.]

I don't think our is as good as that of Crystal Palace but they have Olivier Glasner as manager. How did we not get this guy? 

It's obvious Potter is rubbish. I really don't want to risk giving him our transfer budget this summer. We should fire him end of season but our cheap skate owners won't do it. They will gamble on 3 worse teams than us next season. 

20th wealthest club in the world. Second highest average attendance in the PL. It's very depressing seeing Fulham, Crystal Palace, Bournmouth, Brentord and Brighton better than us. There is something seriously wrong with our setup. Ultimately all blame lies with the owners. 


 

[Massive Attack]

No matter who the manager is, they've all been interviewed by Sullivan. 

That's just it though with Potter, he hasn't and from what we understand of it this man is Brady and her husband's recommendation which Sullivan decided to go along with in the end. 

That might be a good thing, Sullivan loves a scapegoat and he won't be so slow to pull the trigger if he didn't make the decision.

It feels to me like he's agreed to go along with it after so many calls to get rid of the last one and both Brady and her husband probably wouldn't stop banging on about how great their old good pal from their Birmingham days Potter is and who's currently out of work doing the Media circuit looking the part.

If he hit the ground running then OK he can accept Potter long term but if it goes to rat shit early doors then he may well pull the plug and activate this alleged clause in his contract before making it known through his usual mouth pieces he wasn't his man anyway.

Don't underestimate the influence and power that bitch Brady has now at the Club, especially now Golds not there anymore. Her manky acrylics are all over this and it would be great to see this blow up in her face for a change. 

[Sir Alf]

Sounds about right Gank. But even if he does a good job results wise in the more immediate term ( no sign of that yet) Sullivan will always interfere and even if unintentional, will undermine or have a sub optimal impact on the manager’s efforts.  

Sullivan craves validation, appreciation ( well we all do to a degree but he has an insatiable appetite for it due to his psychological disorder).

Next Oct when his next genius appointment ( ( Cooper, Dyche or some out of work, ex big club manager over 60 ) rocks up, it all starts again. Brief hope followed by realisation that the many other variables for success are nowhere to be seen ( planning, DOF, recruitment to a plan etc)

[Gank]

No matter who the manager is, they've all been interviewed by Sullivan. 

That's just it though with Potter, he hasn't and from what we understand of it this man is Brady and her husband's recommendation which Sullivan decided to go along with in the end. 

That might be a good thing, Sullivan loves a scapegoat and he won't be so slow to pull the trigger if he didn't make the decision.

[Massive Attack]

No matter who the manager is, they've all been interviewed by Sullivan. 

That's just it though with Potter, he hasn't and from what we understand of it this man is Brady and her husband's recommendation which Sullivan decided to go along with in the end. 

[Gank]

No matter who the manager is, they've all been interviewed by Sullivan. In better clubs, the DoF interviews and appoints the manager, the owners just sign off or possibly veto. At West Ham, the DoF is the owner, has no footballing qualifications and this just appoints the bloke he likes the best, so they're all going to be his yes men.

We just have to hope that whoever is currently in post pandering to his boss is able to get a tune out of the squad whilst staying in line with Sullivan. Potter isn't doing it, it might be that it's impossible to do both at the same time for any manager.

[Massive Attack]

Have they finally managed to scrape up the melted mess from the Brighton Press Conference room floor yet?

[Sir Alf]

Thats true Eerie I have. He deserves it though imo as he has proved over 15 years, thru his behaviour, to have a deplorable character doesnt he?

[Eerie Decent]

You've been character assassinating Sullivan ad infinitum, Alf. Is that any different? You have a life obsession with it.

These are just characters in a game, you're as bad as anyone else, stop getting on a high horse you don't deserve to be on.

[Sir Alf]

We can only hope he proves us all wrong. But until Oct, assuming he doesnt and gets binned, we will just have to vent frustration via character assassination of him I guess? Not sure I personally get much from that and see little point in doing it but I understand why some fans do it such is their despair with West Ham these last 2 seasons.  It didnt change much when we did the same to Roeder, Avram, BFS and Moyes although will it go as far as it did with Roeder which got very personal iirc?

Anyway, at the end of the day Potter like Lopetegui its just symptomatic of the way the club is run ( if we can call it that ) by our owner. 

[Manuel]

To be honest, the only reason I'm not in the Potter out camp is because it's not going to happen any time soon.

He will be here until the end of the season and he will be given a transfer window to sort the mess out.

There were signs in his first few games that he had brought some fresh ideas, he would change things and he wasn't afraid to make decisions but recently it's just felt like typical shit and predictable West Ham.  

The season is over, we play Brighton away and not a single academy player in the squad.  The bench was full of players who probably (hopefully, in some cases) won't be here next season - Rogrigo, Ings, Cresswell, Coufal, Soler, Fabianski,  Not saying none of them should be there but this is the absolute perfect time to continue giving the younger players a few more minutes but once again we have a manger who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk when it comes to supporting the Academy.  

However tough this job was when he first walked through the door, he seems to be making it harder and harder for himself.



 

He has lied about pretty much everything so far. The cսnt thinks he's smart enough to pull the wool over supporters eyes, with all his degrees etc. He must still think he's still at Brighton.

[scott_d]

To be honest, the only reason I'm not in the Potter out camp is because it's not going to happen any time soon.

He will be here until the end of the season and he will be given a transfer window to sort the mess out.

There were signs in his first few games that he had brought some fresh ideas, he would change things and he wasn't afraid to make decisions but recently it's just felt like typical shit and predictable West Ham.  

The season is over, we play Brighton away and not a single academy player in the squad.  The bench was full of players who probably (hopefully, in some cases) won't be here next season - Rogrigo, Ings, Cresswell, Coufal, Soler, Fabianski,  Not saying none of them should be there but this is the absolute perfect time to continue giving the younger players a few more minutes but once again we have a manger who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk when it comes to supporting the Academy.  

However tough this job was when he first walked through the door, he seems to be making it harder and harder for himself.


 

[Adsiron]

I am sure that I remember Sullivan saying a while back that "Potter wasn't the reason Brighton were successful, the owner identified players that would be great in PL" or words to that effect. 

It just shows how knee jerk Sullivan is in appointing managers. He slagged off Mourinho in the past too so expect him to rock up this summer...

[Manuel]

And another thing. That sweaty he brought with him - Reid. I had hopes for him, looked like a proper old rogue, thought he'd be the one to put Graham right if he got a bit too carried away with the new age stuff.  Useless.

Good point. His assistances haven't had any hardly any mention, and they are an integral part of the set up, albeit maybe not result changing. So, are they any fucking good?

[BerlingtonBertie]

What an absolute uninspiring gimp Potter is especially after his melt moment. He made a right fucking cock of himself in that press conference. Disaster not giving him a 6 month only deal. The players wont have any respect (if they had  any anyhow) after wet blankets spaz outburst. Unfortunately he wont be fucked off until we are rock bottom come Christmas. What a complete laughing stock we are from top to bottom. 

[Massive Attack]

He basically reminds everyone now of any gutless charmless English failure in popular culture. Partridge, Major, Southgate, Tim Henman. Completely wet lacking any charisma. 

Fuck knows what anyone saw in him to begin with lapping up how apparently successful he had been in the game prior to arriving. He's just a new age Media darling full of nut tickling talk to arouse the masses and his hypnotism worked a treat in gaining a two and a half year lucrative contract. Quite impressive to be honest after what he did at Chelsea taking them to the bottom half of the table.