The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[goose]

I’ll take that as a yes.

Another question.

If an employee is hired under these new rules does the employer get to dodge their NI responsibility too?

No.

like I said already, it’s only available to secondments.

So according to your interpretation of what has been reported there is no real benefit for an employer to hire an Indian over a non Indian. Do I have that correct?

Can I ask the source of your information. Or could you post a link?

 

• Labour Mobility: The agreement includes a provision exempting Indian professionals temporarily seconded to the UK from national insurance contributions for up to three years.

 https://www.ft.com/content/7f1337ff-5e3 ... c592918323

[Nutsin]

m no goose

I’m sure chat gpt can answer your question, but the NI part isn’t really an issue. The U.K. has similar agreements with many other countries.

I’ll take that as a yes.

Another question.

If an employee is hired under these new rules does the employer get to dodge their NI responsibility too?

No.

like I said already, it’s only available to secondments.

So according to your interpretation of what has been reported there is no real benefit for an employer to hire an Indian over a non Indian. Do I have that correct?

Can I ask the source of your information. Or could you post a link?

[goose]

m no goose

 

That wasn’t my question.

I’m sure chat gpt can answer your question, but the NI part isn’t really an issue. The U.K. has similar agreements with many other countries.

I’ll take that as a yes.

Another question.

If an employee is hired under these new rules does the employer get to dodge their NI responsibility too?

No.

like I said already, it’s only available to secondments.

[Nutsin]

m no goose

The Indian government press release wasn’t the full story. The NI relief is for employees on a secondment to U.K. companies. 

The deal itself is a big win for both Brexit and the U.K.
Tariff free trade with what will likely be the globes biggest economy within our lifetime.

 

That wasn’t my question.

I’m sure chat gpt can answer your question, but the NI part isn’t really an issue. The U.K. has similar agreements with many other countries.

I’ll take that as a yes.

Another question.

If an employee is hired under these new rules does the employer get to dodge their NI responsibility too?

[goose]

Didn’t the National Insurance contributions increase to 15% recently?

The Indian government press release wasn’t the full story. The NI relief is for employees on a secondment to U.K. companies. 

The deal itself is a big win for both Brexit and the U.K.
Tariff free trade with what will likely be the globes biggest economy within our lifetime.

 

That wasn’t my question.

I’m sure chat gpt can answer your question, but the NI part isn’t really an issue. The U.K. has similar agreements with many other countries.

[BRANDED]

75% will be reduced to tariff free jn a few years

Whisky and gin tariffs will be halved from 150% to 75% before reducing to 40% by the 10th year of the deal

[Nutsin]

UK and India have signed a trade agreement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y6y90e5vzo

however, there are mixed reports on the details of this deal.
reported here that Indian workers moving the the UK will get a 3yr exemption from paying NI.
the Indian gov website claims its a 3yr exemption for employee AND employer, which would make Indian people cheaper to employ than UK workers.

"

• The exemption for Indian workers who are temporarily in the UK and their employers from paying social security contributions in the UK for a period of three years under the Double Contribution Convention will lead to significant financial gains for the Indian service providers and enhance their competitiveness in the UK market that would create new job opportunities as well as benefit large number of Indians working in the UK."

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePa ... ID=2127321







 

Didn’t the National Insurance contributions increase to 15% recently?

The Indian government press release wasn’t the full story. The NI relief is for employees on a secondment to U.K. companies. 

The deal itself is a big win for both Brexit and the U.K.
Tariff free trade with what will likely be the globes biggest economy within our lifetime.

 

 

That wasn’t my question.

[BRANDED]

Is it tariff free? 

[goose]

UK and India have signed a trade agreement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y6y90e5vzo

however, there are mixed reports on the details of this deal.
reported here that Indian workers moving the the UK will get a 3yr exemption from paying NI.
the Indian gov website claims its a 3yr exemption for employee AND employer, which would make Indian people cheaper to employ than UK workers.

"

• The exemption for Indian workers who are temporarily in the UK and their employers from paying social security contributions in the UK for a period of three years under the Double Contribution Convention will lead to significant financial gains for the Indian service providers and enhance their competitiveness in the UK market that would create new job opportunities as well as benefit large number of Indians working in the UK."

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePa ... ID=2127321





 

Didn’t the National Insurance contributions increase to 15% recently?

The Indian government press release wasn’t the full story. The NI relief is for employees on a secondment to U.K. companies. 

The deal itself is a big win for both Brexit and the U.K.
Tariff free trade with what will likely be the globes biggest economy within our lifetime.

[BRANDED]

The cost of housing migrants has tripled to £4 million a day as Channel crossingscontinue to soar.Data from the National Audit Office (NAO) has revealed that hotel and other accommodation contracts originally forecast to cost £4.5 billion between 2019 and 2029 are now expected to run to £15.3 billion over the same period, following a rise in Channel crossings and asylum claims.In 2024/25 alone, the cost was £1.67 billion, equivalent to £4.6 million a day or £3,172 a minute.

[Massive Attack]

India firing rockets at Pakistan now. Get ready for the next installment of cultural enrichment, peace and harmony being played out on the streets of the UK a la the Gaza conflict...

[Nutsin]

UK and India have signed a trade agreement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y6y90e5vzo

however, there are mixed reports on the details of this deal.
reported here that Indian workers moving the the UK will get a 3yr exemption from paying NI.
the Indian gov website claims its a 3yr exemption for employee AND employer, which would make Indian people cheaper to employ than UK workers.

"

• The exemption for Indian workers who are temporarily in the UK and their employers from paying social security contributions in the UK for a period of three years under the Double Contribution Convention will lead to significant financial gains for the Indian service providers and enhance their competitiveness in the UK market that would create new job opportunities as well as benefit large number of Indians working in the UK."

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePa ... ID=2127321




 

Didn’t the National Insurance contributions increase to 15% recently?

[goose]

UK and India have signed a trade agreement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y6y90e5vzo

however, there are mixed reports on the details of this deal.
reported here that Indian workers moving the the UK will get a 3yr exemption from paying NI.
the Indian gov website claims its a 3yr exemption for employee AND employer, which would make Indian people cheaper to employ than UK workers.

"

• The exemption for Indian workers who are temporarily in the UK and their employers from paying social security contributions in the UK for a period of three years under the Double Contribution Convention will lead to significant financial gains for the Indian service providers and enhance their competitiveness in the UK market that would create new job opportunities as well as benefit large number of Indians working in the UK."

https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePa ... ID=2127321



 

[F 129 Row66]

The reason they don't want a full National Inquiry into the rape gangs, is because Labour controlled councils are desperate to retain the votes of Muslims. In the predominantly Labour areas some of the Imams have a block voting system where many of the punters who can't read or speak no English, sign their votes over to the mosque. At the time a whistle blower had known Pakistani criminals standing outside his family home. Jess Phillips was an MP that I respected for the work she does on domestic violence, has joined the now joined the cover up probably because of her very small majority.  Local inquiries are bollocks as many of those involved in the cover ups were the same local people

The Home Office and the government are circulating the that concern about this appalling state of affairs is a far right narrative. It's little wonder the this Lucy Powell  can casually dismiss the subject as a "dog whistle".

[only1billybonds]

rios.

Does the fact that so much was covered up for the flimsiest of reasons not suggest that we have already failed as a society? 

Good to see you  posting again.

[Massive Attack]

Full National extensive Inquiry is needed. It will take time but it needs to be extremely thorough if we are to get to the bottom of the past as well as the very present. Nothing to date come close to that level of scrutiny. 

[riosleftsock]

Billy

The Jay report does need to have its recommendations implemented, but in order to ensure we hold those accountable, we need a public enquiry to expose to everybody how and why these awful crimes were covered up and by who.

The abuse is still going on in many towns and Cities across the UK and Europe.  These are some of the most vulnerable young people and children in our society, if we can not protect these or hold accountable those who prey on them and allow it to happen or turn a blind eye or wilfully cover up, then we have completely failed as a society.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Latest cսnt off the block I give you the right dishonourable Leader of the House Lucy Powell...



https://www.gbnews.com/politics/groomin ... ir-starmer

Typical of the contemptible scumbags in charge of our Nation and just goes to show why they drag their heels over a proper National Inquiry in to 1 of the biggest scandals this Country has ever seen.

FUCK HER OFF  


 

I thought the reason yhere isnt going to be an inquiry into grooming gangs was because there'd already been a 2 year investigation and report published in 2022. 

What the govt need to do is act on the recommendations from that report!

[Massive Attack]

Latest cսnt off the block I give you the right dishonourable Leader of the House Lucy Powell...



https://www.gbnews.com/politics/groomin ... ir-starmer

Typical of the contemptible scumbags in charge of our Nation and just goes to show why they drag their heels over a proper National Inquiry in to 1 of the biggest scandals this Country has ever seen.

FUCK HER OFF  

 

[Sydney_Iron]

When I said you get what you deserve I was talking about how you were ready to vote out the Gov’t you just re-elected because of Trumps Tariffs.

seems a bit silly to vote in the Gov’t you don’t really like over some cattle.

 

 

TBH, it was more like the media and pollsters who seemed to think it may have been a close contest and the opposition had a sniff, but didnt help when the LNP started sounding all Trump like in some of their spiel! Which put lot of people off I reckon, even if a good portion like me are not all anti Trump, on some issues I think he has a lot of support over here but overall seen as a bit unhinged with his Canada and Greenland rants, then flip flopping and changing his mind on issues! 

I wasn’t bothered either way, it was center right LNP or center left ALP so no massive change, I actually voted LNP but preferenced the ALP, Australia has a system where by you vote by numbering candidates in order of preference and those preferences count towards the final count, we also have compulsory voting so I think more people take and intrest and are better informed. 

Was surprised by the margin of the win as was everyone, a hung parliament was expected, but at least it looks like the radical left Greens have lost a good few seats, not that they had a lot, but no doubt those left will be as noisy and annoying as ever.

[Nutsin]

 

And just like the Canadians you’ll get just what you deserve. Only worse because you chose to confront Trumps attempt to create fair trade for all.

Dumb move by your proud electorate. 

Good luck with that.

What we deserve? A free and fair society with a government committed to serving all Australians? Tough on border controls especially with illegals, pro business and strong on education and health care for ALL, I will take that thanks.

Not sure Australia has in any way pushed back against Trump and his tariffs/free trade or whatever, think we said we wouldn’t be imposing tariffs of our own. And with Australia being one of the few countries who actually imports more from the USA then we export to them, and the claim we ban USA beef being shown to be untrue as long as what’s exported is USA beef and not indirectly from Mexico or other latin/South American country’s im not sure what we have done or unaware of any upset to the Orange man?  

When I said you get what you deserve I was talking about how you were ready to vote out the Gov’t you just re-elected because of Trumps Tariffs.

seems a bit silly to vote in the Gov’t you don’t really like over some cattle.

[Sydney_Iron]

 

And just like the Canadians you’ll get just what you deserve. Only worse because you chose to confront Trumps attempt to create fair trade for all.

Dumb move by your proud electorate. 

Good luck with that.

What we deserve? A free and fair society with a government committed to serving all Australians? Tough on border controls especially with illegals, pro business and strong on education and health care for ALL, I will take that thanks.

Not sure Australia has in any way pushed back against Trump and his tariffs/free trade or whatever, think we said we wouldn’t be imposing tariffs of our own. And with Australia being one of the few countries who actually imports more from the USA then we export to them, and the claim we ban USA beef being shown to be untrue as long as what’s exported is USA beef and not indirectly from Mexico or other latin/South American country’s im not sure what we have done or unaware of any upset to the Orange man?  

[Nutsin]

Billy

Looks
like the EU are ready to cave

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/05/01/busi ... mp-tariffs


I wonder what Trumps counter offer will be?

 

oh dear you think thats a deal! its a drop in the ocean compared to the overall trade. 

I never said it’s a deal. It’s a revised offer after they had already said they would remove all tariffs on industrial goods. 

As I said let’s see how Trump counters, we already know he thinks the EU is too far left so I don’t expect him to be in any rush to accept any offer. However at the end of it all there will be a lot of countries stepping up I’m just not sure we have enough qualified people to fill all these jobs. Gonna be a great opportunity for Americans to develop a career. I would imagine a lot of votes will be won because of it. Especially with the younger generation.

[Nutsin]

Australian election yesterday almost mirrored what happened in Canada!

A couple of months ago the center right opposition looking good to win, then all the Trump shenanigans and the center left win comfortably with the leader of the opposition losing his seat.

How much Trump played a part is debatable, but one side distanced themselves from his type of policy’s and the other suggested we should consider similar?????

Should be said that Australias version of Labour (Labor here) is very different to Sir Keir and co!!!!  Similar name only really who are more center than left.

And just like the Canadians you’ll get just what you deserve. Only worse because you chose to confront Trumps attempt to create fair trade for all.

Dumb move by your proud electorate. 

Good luck with that.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Billy

Looks
like the EU are ready to cave

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/05/01/busi ... mp-tariffs


I wonder what Trumps counter offer will be?

 

 

oh dear you think thats a deal! its a drop in the ocean compared to the overall trade.