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[Come On You Irons]

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[goose]

Even the thickest person has to understand that any new manufacturing jobs aren’t gonna show in last months report. You really can’t be that stupid.

Egg prices had their biggest drop since 1984 last month.

So the consumer hasn’t seen any inflation is that what you are saying? But I thought Tariffs meant higher prices?

You know what went up, Tariff revenue, it doubled last month year over year, the US brought in $16.3 billion an Increase of $9 billion, yet no inflation.

Floundering!

Make your mind up - it's either too early to tell or it isn't.
You know what went up? energy prices - so tell me how that works with manufacturing inputs?

Trump needs interest rates to come down, and already the market has moved away from June cuts to September, and they've moved away from 3 cuts and priced in 2 cuts. What's the interest on US debt? $1.2trn so about £100bn per month.

No you make your mind up, lol.

Says the clown who wants to know where the manufacturing jobs are in the first 29 days, what a cսnt!

Here’s another lesson for you, an increase in wholesale prices doesn’t always translate to on increase in prices to the consumer, sometimes manufacturers eat the increase to remain competitive and operate under smaller margins.

Energy prices always fluctuate, wanna k ow what pushes prices up? More demand. Perhaps we about gonna see a recession after all let alone a depression like you’ve been spouting.

As for the Fed, they are not always right and as Trump said are often late on interest rate cuts. I remember Janet Yellen telling us all that Biden’s inflation was transitory ffs. How fucking wrong was she.
Floundering!

I’ve just said to you that the input prices will tell the story over the next 3 months.
You posted that manufacturing jobs were on the rise, which was a lie.

So you want manufacturers and retailers to make less profit? What do you suppose organisations do when they see declines in profits? What do markets do?

[Nutsin]

Even the thickest person has to understand that any new manufacturing jobs aren’t gonna show in last months report. You really can’t be that stupid.

Egg prices had their biggest drop since 1984 last month.

So the consumer hasn’t seen any inflation is that what you are saying? But I thought Tariffs meant higher prices?

You know what went up, Tariff revenue, it doubled last month year over year, the US brought in $16.3 billion an Increase of $9 billion, yet no inflation.

Floundering!

Make your mind up - it's either too early to tell or it isn't.
You know what went up? energy prices - so tell me how that works with manufacturing inputs?

Trump needs interest rates to come down, and already the market has moved away from June cuts to September, and they've moved away from 3 cuts and priced in 2 cuts. What's the interest on US debt? $1.2trn so about £100bn per month.

No you make your mind up, lol.

Says the clown who wants to know where the manufacturing jobs are in the first 29 days, what a cսnt!

Here’s another lesson for you, an increase in wholesale prices doesn’t always translate to on increase in prices to the consumer, sometimes manufacturers eat the increase to remain competitive and operate under smaller margins.

Energy prices always fluctuate, wanna k ow what pushes prices up? More demand. Perhaps we about gonna see a recession after all let alone a depression like you’ve been spouting.

As for the Fed, they are not always right and as Trump said are often late on interest rate cuts. I remember Janet Yellen telling us all that Biden’s inflation was transitory ffs. How fucking wrong was she.
Floundering!

* correction

perhaps we’re not gonna see a recession after all

[Nutsin]

It was your claim that manufacturing jobs were on the up, all i did was point out you were wrong.

Inflation actually went up month on month, not down. The producer prices out on thursday are a more telling read for forward prices but will be skewed by the pull forward of inventory purchases pre-tariffs.

Even the thickest person has to understand that any new manufacturing jobs aren’t gonna show in last months report. You really can’t be that stupid.

Egg prices had their biggest drop since 1984 last month.

So the consumer hasn’t seen any inflation is that what you are saying? But I thought Tariffs meant higher prices?

You know what went up, Tariff revenue, it doubled last month year over year, the US brought in $16.3 billion an Increase of $9 billion, yet no inflation.

Floundering!

Make your mind up - it's either too early to tell or it isn't.
You know what went up? energy prices - so tell me how that works with manufacturing inputs?

Trump needs interest rates to come down, and already the market has moved away from June cuts to September, and they've moved away from 3 cuts and priced in 2 cuts. What's the interest on US debt? $1.2trn so about £100bn per month.

No you make your mind up, lol.

Says the clown who wants to know where the manufacturing jobs are in the first 29 days, what a cսnt!

Here’s another lesson for you, an increase in wholesale prices doesn’t always translate to on increase in prices to the consumer, sometimes manufacturers eat the increase to remain competitive and operate under smaller margins.

Energy prices always fluctuate, wanna k ow what pushes prices up? More demand. Perhaps we about gonna see a recession after all let alone a depression like you’ve been spouting.

As for the Fed, they are not always right and as Trump said are often late on interest rate cuts. I remember Janet Yellen telling us all that Biden’s inflation was transitory ffs. How fucking wrong was she.
Floundering!

[goose]

“It isn’t growth.” What a doughnut! Tariffs kicked in on April 2nd. I know Trump is getting shit done but he doesn’t have a magic wand you idiot.
This report was for April 2025 Job numbers. You really expect the new Jobs to show in month 1? You really are too stupid to debate.

Inflation numbers came in low again today, lowest since Feb 2021, 2.3 %, getting close to the feds 2% target rate. Something Biden could do nothing about. What happened to all this inflation you’ve been banging on about ?

Now don’t use the old It’s too early to see inflation on Tariffs after talking bollox about the jobs numbers.

As for China opening up its markets, we will see what happens. Trump has all the cards, As I said, China either gives concessions or tariffs shoot back up again which will basically cut them off from the US consumer, something they simply can’t afford, even if they have to pay 10% Tariffs.

You really are clueless.

It was your claim that manufacturing jobs were on the up, all i did was point out you were wrong.

Inflation actually went up month on month, not down. The producer prices out on thursday are a more telling read for forward prices but will be skewed by the pull forward of inventory purchases pre-tariffs.

Even the thickest person has to understand that any new manufacturing jobs aren’t gonna show in last months report. You really can’t be that stupid.

Egg prices had their biggest drop since 1984 last month.

So the consumer hasn’t seen any inflation is that what you are saying? But I thought Tariffs meant higher prices?

You know what went up, Tariff revenue, it doubled last month year over year, the US brought in $16.3 billion an Increase of $9 billion, yet no inflation.

Floundering!

Make your mind up - it's either too early to tell or it isn't.
You know what went up? energy prices - so tell me how that works with manufacturing inputs?

Trump needs interest rates to come down, and already the market has moved away from June cuts to September, and they've moved away from 3 cuts and priced in 2 cuts. What's the interest on US debt? $1.2trn so about £100bn per month.

[Nutsin]

The number is factual. I tell you something else it isn’t - it isn’t growth which is what Nutsin claimed was happening.

“It isn’t growth.” What a doughnut! Tariffs kicked in on April 2nd. I know Trump is getting shit done but he doesn’t have a magic wand you idiot.
This report was for April 2025 Job numbers. You really expect the new Jobs to show in month 1? You really are too stupid to debate.

Inflation numbers came in low again today, lowest since Feb 2021, 2.3 %, getting close to the feds 2% target rate. Something Biden could do nothing about. What happened to all this inflation you’ve been banging on about ?

Now don’t use the old It’s too early to see inflation on Tariffs after talking bollox about the jobs numbers.

As for China opening up its markets, we will see what happens. Trump has all the cards, As I said, China either gives concessions or tariffs shoot back up again which will basically cut them off from the US consumer, something they simply can’t afford, even if they have to pay 10% Tariffs.

You really are clueless.

It was your claim that manufacturing jobs were on the up, all i did was point out you were wrong.

Inflation actually went up month on month, not down. The producer prices out on thursday are a more telling read for forward prices but will be skewed by the pull forward of inventory purchases pre-tariffs.

Even the thickest person has to understand that any new manufacturing jobs aren’t gonna show in last months report. You really can’t be that stupid.

Egg prices had their biggest drop since 1984 last month.

So the consumer hasn’t seen any inflation is that what you are saying? But I thought Tariffs meant higher prices?

You know what went up, Tariff revenue, it doubled last month year over year, the US brought in $16.3 billion an Increase of $9 billion, yet no inflation.

Floundering!

[goose]

Lol!!!

Remind me of the size of the US manufacturing workforce. What's 1,000 as a percentage? What was the figure for the previous month. I think you mean statistically speaking flat. That's a fact.

Meanwhile non-farm payrolls rose 177,000.

The number is factual. I tell you something else it isn’t - it isn’t growth which is what Nutsin claimed was happening.

“It isn’t growth.” What a doughnut! Tariffs kicked in on April 2nd. I know Trump is getting shit done but he doesn’t have a magic wand you idiot.
This report was for April 2025 Job numbers. You really expect the new Jobs to show in month 1? You really are too stupid to debate.

Inflation numbers came in low again today, lowest since Feb 2021, 2.3 %, getting close to the feds 2% target rate. Something Biden could do nothing about. What happened to all this inflation you’ve been banging on about ?

Now don’t use the old It’s too early to see inflation on Tariffs after talking bollox about the jobs numbers.

As for China opening up its markets, we will see what happens. Trump has all the cards, As I said, China either gives concessions or tariffs shoot back up again which will basically cut them off from the US consumer, something they simply can’t afford, even if they have to pay 10% Tariffs.

You really are clueless.

It was your claim that manufacturing jobs were on the up, all i did was point out you were wrong.

Inflation actually went up month on month, not down. The producer prices out on thursday are a more telling read for forward prices but will be skewed by the pull forward of inventory purchases pre-tariffs.

[Nutsin]

- latest set of data, US manufacturing lost about 1,000 jobs. That’s a fact.

 

Lol!!!

Remind me of the size of the US manufacturing workforce. What's 1,000 as a percentage? What was the figure for the previous month. I think you mean statistically speaking flat. That's a fact.

Meanwhile non-farm payrolls rose 177,000.

The number is factual. I tell you something else it isn’t - it isn’t growth which is what Nutsin claimed was happening.

“It isn’t growth.” What a doughnut! Tariffs kicked in on April 2nd. I know Trump is getting shit done but he doesn’t have a magic wand you idiot.
This report was for April 2025 Job numbers. You really expect the new Jobs to show in month 1? You really are too stupid to debate.

Inflation numbers came in low again today, lowest since Feb 2021, 2.3 %, getting close to the feds 2% target rate. Something Biden could do nothing about. What happened to all this inflation you’ve been banging on about ?

Now don’t use the old It’s too early to see inflation on Tariffs after talking bollox about the jobs numbers.

As for China opening up its markets, we will see what happens. Trump has all the cards, As I said, China either gives concessions or tariffs shoot back up again which will basically cut them off from the US consumer, something they simply can’t afford, even if they have to pay 10% Tariffs.

You really are clueless.

[Mad Dog]

My point is he's targeting the wrong people. Honest folk instead of illegal ones.

but frankly that seems par for the course for 2 tier tier

paedos?  Knife killers? No prison, make space for people tweeting

[goose]

Starmer is only 'getting tough' because the Reform party did so well in the recent local elections. He is reacting out of fear,not genuine concern.
Cowardly duplicitous cսnt!

 

100%

Yesterday’s announcement felt like a hasty attempt to win back some momentum from reform.

He’s lost his marbles if he thinks U.K. citizens are suddenly going to want to work in care homes.

[Lee Trundle]

It's impossible for me to listen to Starmer without thinking of Brian Badonde from Fonejacker now.

[only1billybonds]

Starmer is only 'getting tough' because the Reform party did so well in the recent local elections. He is reacting out of fear,not genuine concern.
Cowardly duplicitous cսnt!

[Mad Dog]

Nice that kier starmer wants to ban immigrants that want to work, but does fuck all about the illegal cunts coming over from war torn france

[goose]

Can only gain access through tariffs?
try and make it make sense son.



 

Yes, you can open up markets with Tariffs, Trump just proved that with the UK.

However Tariffs aren’t the only way numbnuts.

You’re too thick to talk to.

Have a good night and remember.

MAGA.

So 10% additional tariff opens up the Chinese market but 0% didn’t??

Like I said Nutsin son, try and make it make sense.

[goose]

- latest set of data, US manufacturing lost about 1,000 jobs. That’s a fact.

 

Lol!!!

Remind me of the size of the US manufacturing workforce. What's 1,000 as a percentage? What was the figure for the previous month. I think you mean statistically speaking flat. That's a fact.

Meanwhile non-farm payrolls rose 177,000.

The number is factual. I tell you something else it isn’t - it isn’t growth which is what Nutsin claimed was happening.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

- latest set of data, US manufacturing lost about 1,000 jobs. That’s a fact.

Lol!!!

Remind me of the size of the US manufacturing workforce. What's 1,000 as a percentage? What was the figure for the previous month. I think you mean statistically speaking flat. That's a fact.

Meanwhile non-farm payrolls rose 177,000.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

China couldn't win a trade war with the US. It could make things very difficult for the US but every option it has would affect them far more. Trump's strong arm approach is getting the reaction he wants one way or another. It may hurt the US a little, but nowhere near as much as anyone else willing to resist. Eventually trade deals will close the rebalance of trade Trump wants, and things will settle.

The irony with the UK is that there wouldn't have been a trade deal with the US had Starmer  been succussful in canvassing on behalf of the democrats in the US. Instead, he had to make a deal to stop a tarrif war he  could never win, and somehow thinks he came out like he masterminded a win for the UK.
 

[Nutsin]

Can only gain access through tariffs?
try and make it make sense son.


 

Yes, you can open up markets with Tariffs, Trump just proved that with the UK.

However Tariffs aren’t the only way numbnuts.

You’re too thick to talk to.

Have a good night and remember.

MAGA.

[goose]

This WTO:

“The World Trade Organization (WTO) has forecast that global trade will fall this year because of US President Donald Trump's tariffs.It added "severe downside risks", including reciprocal tariffs and political uncertainty, could lead to an even sharper decline in global goods trade. "The decline is expected to be particularly steep in North America," the WTO said, forecasting trade to drop by more than a tenth in that region.”

 

The Chinese have morphed into a neo mercantile economy, that’s about to change. Those days are over. 

Otherwise they’ll be priced out of the US market by hefty Tariffs. Something they can’t afford. Meanwhile the US will continue to move their imports from other countries. 

Will be bumpy if China chooses to destroy its own economy but we will fair much better.

And as for the prediction of even more bad news, you might find that companies front load their goods and services these next 3 months to stack their supplies boosting economic growth for this quarter.
Again  nothing is written in stone as far as all of your negative projections. They have all been wrong so far, no matter who the source is. About time you caught a clue isn’t it? Or are you content being stuck on Stupid?

Priced out by who exactly? You’ve already been walked through how reliant the world is on China, not only for finished goods but also input raw materials. That’s not changing. So the consumer will be paying those tariffs.

Where alternatives are possible, they’re more expensive than current choices so the consumer pays more there.

and then in exports you’ve made entry to the Chinese market harder because of additional tariffs.

[goose]

Can only gain access through tariffs?
try and make it make sense son.

 

[Nutsin]

Jesus Christ.

You absolute div.

You call me a div, Mr UK can only gain access through Tariffs into the Chinese markets.

What a cսnt!

[Nutsin]

This WTO:

“The World Trade Organization (WTO) has forecast that global trade will fall this year because of US President Donald Trump's tariffs.It added "severe downside risks", including reciprocal tariffs and political uncertainty, could lead to an even sharper decline in global goods trade. "The decline is expected to be particularly steep in North America," the WTO said, forecasting trade to drop by more than a tenth in that region.”

 

 

The Chinese have morphed into a neo mercantile economy, that’s about to change. Those days are over. 

Otherwise they’ll be priced out of the US market by hefty Tariffs. Something they can’t afford. Meanwhile the US will continue to move their imports from other countries. 

Will be bumpy if China chooses to destroy its own economy but we will fair much better.

And as for the prediction of even more bad news, you might find that companies front load their goods and services these next 3 months to stack their supplies boosting economic growth for this quarter.
Again  nothing is written in stone as far as all of your negative projections. They have all been wrong so far, no matter who the source is. About time you caught a clue isn’t it? Or are you content being stuck on Stupid?

[goose]

Jesus Christ.

You absolute div.

[Nutsin]

This WTO:

“The World Trade Organization (WTO) has forecast that global trade will fall this year because of US President Donald Trump's tariffs.It added "severe downside risks", including reciprocal tariffs and political uncertainty, could lead to an even sharper decline in global goods trade. "The decline is expected to be particularly steep in North America," the WTO said, forecasting trade to drop by more than a tenth in that region.”

In response to your ignorance about the markets being opened to the UK



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China's agreement with the WTO, finalized in 2001, involved extensive commitments to open its economy and reduce trade barriers. These included significant tariff reductions, elimination of quotas and licenses, and the opening of key service sectors to foreign investment. China also committed to aligning its trade practices with WTO rules and principles, including intellectual property protection and dispute resolution. 

[goose]

This WTO:

“The World Trade Organization (WTO) has forecast that global trade will fall this year because of US President Donald Trump's tariffs.It added "severe downside risks", including reciprocal tariffs and political uncertainty, could lead to an even sharper decline in global goods trade. "The decline is expected to be particularly steep in North America," the WTO said, forecasting trade to drop by more than a tenth in that region.”

[Nutsin]

The markets are down YTD. 
The markets were stronger before Trump and his tariffs.
There are no tariffs on U.K. goods imported into China you div.

simple question for your simple brain:
Which scenario is better for opening up the Chinese market to US companies?
a) zero tariffs 
b) 10%+

i will get you a calculator and some crayons.

Who mentioned UK Tariffs fuckwit, I was talking about China opening up its market.

As for Tariffs I think China understands what will happen in 90 days if they don’t give concessions and it’s called Tariffs, big ones at that.

You really are an imbecile!

Poor Goose just doesn’t understand.

Funny how China stopped reporting it’s economic activity all of a sudden.

You cannot be this simple minded.
YOU mentioned the U.K.:
“Perhaps the UK and others can benefit from all this too with their trade agreements with China”

The U.K. has zero tariffs into China, I’d love to know how it will benefit from the US who have a worse deal.

I see you avoided the simple question I posed you, because we both know the (blindingly obvious) answer.

Oh dear, sounds like you’ve never heard of the WTO.

poor Goose.