Paqueta - Latest news

[Alan]

"Sport Bible New report on Lucas Paqueta's spot-fixing charges reveals how much of next season West Ham star can play There has been an update on Paqueta's case. Alex Brotherton Lucas Paqueta will be free to play for West Ham for most of next season despite facing spot-fixing charges. Paqueta has been charged by the Football Association with four separate instances of spot-fixing. The 28-year-old stands accused of deliberately getting himself booked during four Premier League matches. It is one of the most serious cases of spot-fixing involving a top-flight player in England, and could land Paqueta with a lengthy ban. However, the Brazil international can continue to play until the disciplinary process has been completed. According to The Times, the outcome of the process could be delayed until the end of the 2024-25 season or beyond. That is due to the complexity of the case; Paqueta's lawyers say it will take many months to secure all the witness statements and relevant information they need for their defence. That's because the case spans three countries - England, Brazil and Spain - and involves a large number of people. The charges allege that Paqueta got himself booked during matches against Leicester City, Aston Villa, Leeds United and Bournemouth over the past two seasons so that “one or more persons” could profit financially. The investigation that preceded the charges took eight months. In September 2023, Brazilian outlet Globo reported that suspicious gambling patterns were identified in Brazil relating to Paqueta being booked against Aston Villa in March that year. The bets were reportedly made using West Ham's shirt sponsor Betway, via accounts belonging to people linked to Paqueta. The FA initially gave the player until June 3 to respond to the charges, but his lawyers were granted an extension. English football's governing body has refused to put a timescale on the case. Paqueta has been linked with a move to Brazilian giants Flamengo this summer, but this latest development will give encouragement to new West Ham boss Julen Lopetegui that he can use the midfielderthis season."

[Massive Attack]

I genuinely believe Paqueta knew all too well what he was doing and is only surprised he got caught out and has played like a cսnt ever since. That's my gut feeling on the never ending fiasco that's continuing to hurt us either on the pitch or partly towards our transfer strategy. Just want him gone now after hopefully with a bit of luck he gets off due to lack of enough evidence regarding his lost blower and get a reasonable amount for him after everything that's happened. If a Club offered say £25M+ I'd be interested in the Club in doing something like that. 

I've got a bad feeling though he isn't going to get off with it.

[BRANDED]

The club takes a load of money from a betting company
Betting is fraught with corruption
Potential for scams huge
Laws brought in to stop the betting scams but betting companies are fine
Lives ruined by betting

Paqueta's life is bliss in comparison to most. 
 

[Russ of the BML]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... r8n1evp1mo

[Fauxstralian]

And they cost us £80m rather than addressing a minor issue with us to resolve it. 
How many businesses would continue a commercial relationship in that circumstance?

[goose]

I dunno, maybe we had a contract with them or something? 

 

[Fauxstralian]

I don’t understand how our relationship with Betway continued after it was them that reported him
Especially after I imagine the squad were encouraged to use them
Youd hope if there was suspicion of these very minor inappropriate bets the company would have contacted the club & had him told to pull his head in
Its not as though if true they were being fleeced for millions 

[ATHammer]

The club should be all over the FA. The FA are behaving like a Victorian school master intent on punishing a disliked child, irrespective of guilt. The FA were, and are, wrong on so many counts. 
To pursue the matter at all, Paqueta is accused of insider trading, providing details of when and where he would get booked for others to profit from, a crime so the matter should have been referred to the courts; to apply civil rules to a criminal allegation; to take so much time; to have so many leaks as to be essentially subjected to a cease and desist order by Paqueta's team; to determine that a life ban would follow ignoring that it was only allegations the first time the suggestion was made; the laughable debacle of the phone matter; the general absence of innocent until proven guilty; and now this latest, further delay.
Newcastle and Brentford were both four square publicly behind their players, AND THEY WERE BOTH ACKNOWLEDING THEIR GUILT!
West Ham are largely silent even though their employee denies any wrong doing. As a responsible employer they could, and should have raised hell at every delay; dalliance; leak; and threat that came out of the FA. Why? Well, it is clearly affecting Paqueta as an individual and they should support him publicly. The tears at Tottenham were heart-breaking. Such support would send a message to current and future employees that the club has your back rather than you need to watch your back. West Ham Family? It clearly affects Paqueta as an asset. Under this cloud it is hardly surprising that he has not had a stellar season and his value reduced. 
So why are the club so quiet?
Do they know he is guilty even though the ex manager gave evidence understood to be on the players behalf?
Could it be self interest in that their aversion to a Government oversite is greater than looking after one of their employees? After all Brady did visit the House of Lords to suggest that the Government should not get involved in regulation of football and leave it to the FA and Premier League.  
Conjecture.
The FA's actions in this matter hardly suggest that they are capable of dealing with this kind of situation in a professional, timely manner and proper oversite seems essential to protect individuals within the game; clubs; supporters; and the overall integrity of the game.
Whatever, one can only hope that the club have supported Paqueta privately, and any details in that respect should remain behind closed doors. Their public inaction only lead me to question, dislike and distrust them even more. On a purely human level they should have spoken out and they didn't.

    

[Fauxstralian]

Understood before the last delay the FA made an offer which involved some sort of ban but not life which was rejected of course
Our response should have been to say we wouldn’t sue if the case was thrown out immediately 
The FA have dug a hole and don’t know how to get out of it without looking like cunts

[Russ of the BML]

The Club at this point should get involved instead of sitting back for the outcome, hire some very fucking expensive lawyers, and move to have the whole thing thrown out.


 

Indeed. The club have been far too easy on this up to now. They should release a statement and say that they and Lucas have co-operated fully up to now, but if charges are not brought before midway through June then they will no longer co-operate and deem the case closed. Get the lawyers to them start firing shots back. As you say, bring it or throw it out. I am also sure Lucas also has some personal rights around personal freedom that can be thrown. 

It's just an absolute farce now. 

[stubbo-admin]

The Club at this point should get involved instead of sitting back for the outcome, hire some very fucking expensive lawyers, and move to have the whole thing thrown out.

 

[John Drake]

The further delay is because VAR are looking at it now

[Manuel]

This truly is BS now and we need to do something. Yes I feel sorry for the player, but more importantly this is seriously hampering our transfer plans etc.

[Fauxstralian]

He was due to be sold to Man City after that Bournemouth game for something around £80m … sue for that 
Imagine he was going to double his wages … sue for what he has missed out on over 2 years
At the time of the charge wasn’t Prince William President of the FA?
Sue him personally 
This has got beyond a joke 

[honky cat]

 

I'd imagine their people are desperately looking for anything they can possibly find to nail on him.

100% this. Not only are the club looking for transfer fees but he would claim to have lost endorsements and sponsorships. How can the FA afford to lose?

So what to do? Can he be sold off to a South American club? or are all transfer dealings on hold pending the outcome of the case? Could be a lengthy and difficult case for the club to start against the FA. We're screwed in the short term. 

[Pub Bigot]

Paqueta and West Ham should start suing the FA now. 

This. It’s become a saga now. What could be the reason to delay that was supposed to happen and what legal grounds have they got for holding up the career of a player and the progress of a club? 

Even if the player is guilty, West Ham are not, and they’re hurting the club by dithering. 

[Mex Martillo]

Paqueta and West Ham should start suing the FA now. 

[El Scorchio]

Apparently another two month delay in this.
Joke.
It's cruel for the player and it's shit for us.

This has got all the signs of the authorities not wanting to lose face. Nothing to do with being right or wrong; all to do with being seen to be right.

They bottle this one, you can bet Manchester City's lawyers will be all over this case like a bad rash.

For the media, it'll me more "Tevez's goal at Old Trafford 100% saved us from relegation, no matter what else happened that day".

 

 

My thoughts exactly. It's probably not leading to a comfortable place for the FA to be in (i.e. they lose) and they don't want to deal with the ramifications of that. (i.e. likely having to pay a shed load of damages) I'd imagine their people are desperately looking for anything they can possibly find to nail on him.

In the meantime though we are stuck with a player who is clearly affected by all this and clearly no longer wants to be here. We don't know if we can/have to replace him or not or even what sort of fee we could expect for him. Certainly not the 85 million (IIRC) we would have been due previously, so the FA have cost us that and god knows what they've cost him in potential earnings, and it's just hanging over yet another transfer window.

[goose]

If the FA do not win this case I hope Paqueta and his lawyers have a field day.

as should the club as this is seriously hampering our recruitment plans.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Apparently another two month delay in this.
Joke.
It's cruel for the player and it's shit for us.

This has got all the signs of the authorities not wanting to lose face. Nothing to do with being right or wrong; all to do with being seen to be right.

They bottle this one, you can bet Manchester City's lawyers will be all over this case like a bad rash.

For the media, it'll me more "Tevez's goal at Old Trafford 100% saved us from relegation, no matter what else happened that day".

[El Scorchio]

Apparently another two month delay in this.
Joke.
It's cruel for the player and it's shit for us.

[Mex Martillo]

Finally and unsurprisingly coming out that Paqueta has been suffering during this 2 year farce. Due to end in June?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... r-west-ham

[Mike Oxsaw]

If the main case against Paquetá is that members of his family put these bets on then they should have just said that they did it because his sometimes clairvoyant niece Maria had seen him get a yellow card in a dream. Given the paltry amounts that were laid on that actually seems more believable than that it was a criminal conspiracy to win just a few grand when the main instigator gets paid more than that every week.

Well, that's more plausible that "the authorities" taking covert action against West Ham because the oiky little barrow boys had the audacity to win a trophy and then seemed on the verge of roughing up the Big 6 media-friendly cartel in the PL/CL.

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

If the main case against Paquetá is that members of his family put these bets on then they should have just said that they did it because his sometimes clairvoyant niece Maria had seen him get a yellow card in a dream. Given the paltry amounts that were laid on that actually seems more believable than that it was a criminal conspiracy to win just a few grand when the main instigator gets paid more than that every week.

[Texas Iron]

Biggest anti West Ham stirrer was Henry Winter Journalist…stating that West Ham would have been relegated without Tevez…

Arrogant KnowNothing C U N T

[Mex Martillo]

I agree Gary, Betway is crap. I started an account with them because they sponsor West Ham. Also got the 25 quid joining gift, promptly won handsomely as I correctly bet we would finish in the top 6 only to find the winnings were half theirs as the gift was some fictional money that wasn't really mine. So I have this "money" with them that I try and use to bet on the season and FA cup, which I do twice a year, but every time I have to go through the crap chat bot thing to unlock the account which they keep freezing due to inactivity. And that is not easy as it is usually a nightmare just to find the frigging crap chat bot. Bloody rubbish, I should pack it in, but feel that is what they want me to do. A business based on people joining getting pissed off and abandoning their account.