Paqueta - Latest news

[Alan]

"Sport Bible New report on Lucas Paqueta's spot-fixing charges reveals how much of next season West Ham star can play There has been an update on Paqueta's case. Alex Brotherton Lucas Paqueta will be free to play for West Ham for most of next season despite facing spot-fixing charges. Paqueta has been charged by the Football Association with four separate instances of spot-fixing. The 28-year-old stands accused of deliberately getting himself booked during four Premier League matches. It is one of the most serious cases of spot-fixing involving a top-flight player in England, and could land Paqueta with a lengthy ban. However, the Brazil international can continue to play until the disciplinary process has been completed. According to The Times, the outcome of the process could be delayed until the end of the 2024-25 season or beyond. That is due to the complexity of the case; Paqueta's lawyers say it will take many months to secure all the witness statements and relevant information they need for their defence. That's because the case spans three countries - England, Brazil and Spain - and involves a large number of people. The charges allege that Paqueta got himself booked during matches against Leicester City, Aston Villa, Leeds United and Bournemouth over the past two seasons so that “one or more persons” could profit financially. The investigation that preceded the charges took eight months. In September 2023, Brazilian outlet Globo reported that suspicious gambling patterns were identified in Brazil relating to Paqueta being booked against Aston Villa in March that year. The bets were reportedly made using West Ham's shirt sponsor Betway, via accounts belonging to people linked to Paqueta. The FA initially gave the player until June 3 to respond to the charges, but his lawyers were granted an extension. English football's governing body has refused to put a timescale on the case. Paqueta has been linked with a move to Brazilian giants Flamengo this summer, but this latest development will give encouragement to new West Ham boss Julen Lopetegui that he can use the midfielder this season."

[Nutsin]

No matter what happens he is overrated.

If found not guilty cash in and sell him to the highest bidder.

Due to all these fuckeries he's now forever tagged as "risky".

Any incoming bid would challenge a typical Sullivan low-ball offer and then some.

Yeah we won’t get top dollar but he’s not worth top dollar, even without his “risky” label.

Get him off the payroll, hopefully a Saudi club will come in with a silly offer, if not ship him out to the highest bidder.

[Mike Oxsaw]

No matter what happens he is overrated.

If found not guilty cash in and sell him to the highest bidder.

Due to all these fuckeries he's now forever tagged as "risky".

Any incoming bid would challenge a typical Sullivan low-ball offer and then some.

[Nutsin]

No matter what happens he is overrated.

If found not guilty cash in and sell him to the highest bidder.

[scott_d]

If he is guilty and banned, then it's such a West Ham thing to happen, even through no fault of West Ham.

A sign of how far we've come since the Tevez saga - ie not that far at all.

[threesixty]

Fuck me, that must be the biggest heap of crap I've ever read. You're actually comparing him to KDB and the reason he always gives the ball away is because our players are crap?? I fucking give up. And he's had a load of criticism from Brazil fans.

Bottom line is this fella only does his best work deep, very rarely in an around the box.

 

I’m not sure his Brazil performances were bad before the betting scandal? He has 53 caps so can’t have been that shit. I agree his losing the ball and passing isn’t Man City standard but I think that could be coached. Pep must have felt the same to offer 80m. 
So not sure who to believe… you or pep? Tough one that… 

 

Well I certainly won't ever believe anything you say again, you just compared a so called creative midfield player that has hardly any assists, any goals, can barely pass the fucking ball, falls over most of the game to KDB! Daft cսnt.

Yea, start coaching him how to pass the ball at 28.

 

 

I said he has some of the creative abilities of KDB. Where do you think Pep was trying to play him? Rodri’s position? CDM? He would have played in a more attacking role. 

my overall point I suppose is that viewing how a player has played for us under some very shit managers is not the full potential of our players. I’m reading Arsenal are bidding for kudos. Do you think kudus is going to play as shit as he has for us with Arsenal?? No. So why expect that from Paq either. Makes no sense. 

Paq is easily our most talented player. He’s also our most expensive signing. But yeah, he’s completey shit. So much that someone bid 80m for him. Ffs .. how dumb is that?

[honky cat]

Ive started to feel a bit uneasy about this.

If he's guilty and banned for life it will be the biggest shit show in the history of the world. We will be truly fucked, millions out of pocket through no fault of the club whatsoever. It might take a while to decide how to break the news . . . .  

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[El Scorchio]

I think the whole point of this is they don't actually have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt to dish out whatever punishment they want, which is why it's so fucked. Along with the FA appointing the deciding committee in the first place. Seems like a total kangaroo court.

I would just hope there's a robust appeals process if he's found guilty on obviously flimsy terms. 

[BRANDED]

Is it possible that someone said " prove it you cunts otherwise we're suing you for everything ".

Now. That puts them in an impossible position leading to this ridiculous never ending saga. If they cant prove it they're fucked. There is no way out for them unless Paqueta's side offers them a way out and I bet he's saying "well I lost so much because of this I'm happy to sue them". 

This implies one individual player could be bigger than an entire Association.

Maybe they can prove it though.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Without wanting to challenge the Mickeys as "Kings of Victim", this has undertones of the authorities pandering to the sponsors desires of never, ever letting another "Leicester" ever happening again; for maximum reach the sponsors need the familiarity of globally recognisable names in every round of every tournament.

The shock of us winning a trophy (albeit one dreamt up to generate more advertising revenue) and the tenuous belief that we could actually push on - unaided - from that point and significantly challenge the dominance of the media darlings was something that needed resolving in whatever way possible.

They knew that they couldn't take on Newcastle with their Saidi oil money behind them, so destabilising an emergent West Ham was, for them, the next obvious, winnable target.

Seems to be working, too.

[Manuel]

 

I dunno. I think he is one of the most “talented” players around. He’s just not been effectively coached to make that talent consistent. The attraction with Paq is he has “DeBruyne levels” of invention. Some of the goals we’ve scored and picked up 3 points out of nowhere are down to him threading balls through to our forwards where he has no right to. 

He’s also pretty strong. Compare him to Anderson who couldn’t handle any sort of tackling, and you have a brazillain that can battle like a European grown player, but with flair. That’s pretty unusual. 

I think Pep saw someone who could replace KDB with a little coaching. And if they’d got him when they wanted they could have dealt with the decline of KDB and maybe won a title again. 

The thing that gets me about him is does who lose the ball because he’s with us and doesn’t trust passing to our crap player (seems the same with Kudus). I don’t think he’s like that for Brazil. 

Fuck me, that must be the biggest heap of crap I've ever read. You're actually comparing him to KDB and the reason he always gives the ball away is because our players are crap?? I fucking give up. And he's had a load of criticism from Brazil fans.

Bottom line is this fella only does his best work deep, very rarely in an around the box.

 

I’m not sure his Brazil performances were bad before the betting scandal? He has 53 caps so can’t have been that shit. I agree his losing the ball and passing isn’t Man City standard but I think that could be coached. Pep must have felt the same to offer 80m. 
So not sure who to believe… you or pep? Tough one that… 

 

 

Well I certainly won't ever believe anything you say again, you just compared a so called creative midfield player that has hardly any assists, any goals, can barely pass the fucking ball, falls over most of the game to KDB! Daft cսnt.

Yea, start coaching him how to pass the ball at 28.

[nychammer]

This is something that does not even require definitive Proof like in a court of criminal law. The Panel adjudicating have to decide "on balance" whether they think he's guilty. How long does it need FFS?

On balance, looking at the size of the bets placed and the patterns of the bookings and circumstancial evidence around some of them I could not find him definitively guilty, ruin his career and still sleep at night.

[threesixty]

That's a bit strong. On his day he is good but 1 of the most talented on the planet is a real stretch of how good he is. He never was anywhere near consistent enough or had all the ability in the world. I'm also not convinced that once it's over he'll then suddenly come in to his best form again, but hopefully you're right though.

Should he get cleared and remains, he does then need to repay the faith and support shown in him. 

 

I dunno. I think he is one of the most “talented” players around. He’s just not been effectively coached to make that talent consistent. The attraction with Paq is he has “DeBruyne levels” of invention. Some of the goals we’ve scored and picked up 3 points out of nowhere are down to him threading balls through to our forwards where he has no right to. 

He’s also pretty strong. Compare him to Anderson who couldn’t handle any sort of tackling, and you have a brazillain that can battle like a European grown player, but with flair. That’s pretty unusual. 

I think Pep saw someone who could replace KDB with a little coaching. And if they’d got him when they wanted they could have dealt with the decline of KDB and maybe won a title again. 

The thing that gets me about him is does who lose the ball because he’s with us and doesn’t trust passing to our crap player (seems the same with Kudus). I don’t think he’s like that for Brazil. 

Fuck me, that must be the biggest heap of crap I've ever read. You're actually comparing him to KDB and the reason he always gives the ball away is because our players are crap?? I fucking give up. And he's had a load of criticism from Brazil fans.

Bottom line is this fella only does his best work deep, very rarely in an around the box.

 

 

I’m not sure his Brazil performances were bad before the betting scandal? He has 53 caps so can’t have been that shit. I agree his losing the ball and passing isn’t Man City standard but I think that could be coached. Pep must have felt the same to offer 80m. 
So not sure who to believe… you or pep? Tough one that… 

[El Scorchio]

Can this actually be challenged if he is found guilty or will it be like Tevez where we were acquitted at every level until they finally found some old cսnt that would rule against us and then said 'that's it no challenges to this ruling'?

That proper fucked me off at the time forcing us in to paying over £20M to Sheffield United. It stank like fuck and we just had to lump it. 

Agree. it was fucking disgraceful how that saga played out, giving them a right to challenge at every turn, and all of a sudden once they get what they want, that's case closed.

[Manuel]

If he's been found guilty it's almost 100% certain that the verdict would have been "accidentally" leaked by now: the FA thus gains by being proved right and the media gain for being able to have another go at us on account of Tevez (either his surprise (to them) arrival and/or keeping us up single-handed).

 

 

That's a fair point, even if not guilty, there's always the possibility that someone could leak something, especially after a few beers, or in these bods cases sherry's

Either way the 4-8 week wait is outrageous and it shouldn't be allowed.

[Massive Attack]

Can this actually be challenged if he is found guilty or will it be like Tevez where we were acquitted at every level until they finally found some old cսnt that would rule against us and then said 'that's it no challenges to this ruling'?

That proper fucked me off at the time forcing us in to paying over £20M to Sheffield United. It stank like fuck and we just had to lump it. 

[Gank]

BREXIT MEANS BREXIT

[threesixty]

Given the extraordinary amount of time this has been ongoing then 4 to 8 weeks seems astonishing 
If it was such an open & shut case the trial should have taken a month with the verdict a week later at most
Presume the FA will be working on wriggling out of this without being sued to buggery

 

 

I think they’ll come up with a verdict saying he did it, but will not enforce a ban, like a suspended sentence. Hoping West Ham and Paq can’t drag them through the courts for loss of income and reputational damage. Any verdict that does not have a ban will be ridiculously controversial though. Yes, it will be interesting how their lawyers wriggle out of this one!

[El Scorchio]

Yup, quite simply it's disgusting if that's true and they know the verdict already but just aren't releasing it 'for reasons'. It just seems out of spite and designed to paralyse the club and the player during a transfer window.

Let's face it, it's West Ham and it seems the committee hired by the prosecutor to decide on this don't need need to actually consider actual proof so he'll almost certainly be found guilty even if our case is good. That's just how these things seem to go for us. It'll also conveniently save them a LOT of prospective payouts and compensation.

Can this actually be challenged if he is found guilty or will it be like Tevez where we were acquitted at every level until they finally found some old cսnt that would rule against us and then said 'that's it no challenges to this ruling'?

[Mike Oxsaw]

If he's been found guilty it's almost 100% certain that the verdict would have been "accidentally" leaked by now: the FA thus gains by being proved right and the media gain for being able to have another go at us on account of Tevez (either his surprise (to them) arrival and/or keeping us up single-handed).

[Fauxstralian]

Given the extraordinary amount of time this has been ongoing then 4 to 8 weeks seems astonishing 
If it was such an open & shut case the trial should have taken a month with the verdict a week later at most
Presume the FA will be working on wriggling out of this without being sued to buggery

[Lee Trundle]

Paqueta can be better. Much better
Think he needs someone in there to add physicality & pace & allow us to control the game further up the pitch
Maybe someone like this Ondeyika who has been mentioned rather than Soucek, Rodriquez etc
Lets see how that turns out


Was reading this morning that the hearing is actually complete now & the 4 to 8 week delay is for the announcement of the verdict
Not sure that was clear in earlier reports

Do they have the chisel the verdict out on stone that hasn't been mined yet, or something?

[Fauxstralian]

Paqueta can be better. Much better
Think he needs someone in there to add physicality & pace & allow us to control the game further up the pitch
Maybe someone like this Ondeyika who has been mentioned rather than Soucek, Rodriquez etc
Lets see how that turns out


Was reading this morning that the hearing is actually complete now & the 4 to 8 week delay is for the announcement of the verdict
Not sure that was clear in earlier reports

[Massive Attack]

In fact in all 3 seasons he's never scored more than 4 goals in the Premier League and a fair few of them were Penalties - 5 from 12 Prem from the spot.

[Manuel]

If he gets off he could be back to his best, in which case we'll have one of the most talented players on the planet on our hands. I wouldn't want to sell him.

That's a bit strong. On his day he is good but 1 of the most talented on the planet is a real stretch of how good he is. He never was anywhere near consistent enough or had all the ability in the world. I'm also not convinced that once it's over he'll then suddenly come in to his best form again, but hopefully you're right though.

Should he get cleared and remains, he does then need to repay the faith and support shown in him. 

 

I dunno. I think he is one of the most “talented” players around. He’s just not been effectively coached to make that talent consistent. The attraction with Paq is he has “DeBruyne levels” of invention. Some of the goals we’ve scored and picked up 3 points out of nowhere are down to him threading balls through to our forwards where he has no right to. 

He’s also pretty strong. Compare him to Anderson who couldn’t handle any sort of tackling, and you have a brazillain that can battle like a European grown player, but with flair. That’s pretty unusual. 

I think Pep saw someone who could replace KDB with a little coaching. And if they’d got him when they wanted they could have dealt with the decline of KDB and maybe won a title again. 

The thing that gets me about him is does who lose the ball because he’s with us and doesn’t trust passing to our crap player (seems the same with Kudus). I don’t think he’s like that for Brazil. 

Fuck me, that must be the biggest heap of crap I've ever read. You're actually comparing him to KDB and the reason he always gives the ball away is because our players are crap?? I fucking give up. And he's had a load of criticism from Brazil fans.

Bottom line is this fella only does his best work deep, very rarely in an around the box.

[Massive Attack]

He's so good at through balls he managed 0 assists last season after 36 appearances. Not a single assist as one of our most talented players in the world. It was only 7 assists the season before this one. He could only score 5 and 2 of them were by way of the penalty spot. One thing he is very consistent at is picking up yellow cards though. His output in goals being made for his apparent talent has been shocking ever since he's been here. Yes, on 1 of his rare good days he can be very good but nowhere near consistent enough.

And sometimes his lack of awareness and technique in the wrong areas of the pitch have led to us being in the shit defensively.

I actually want to really like him since he joined but I've got to be honest and say he's flattered to deceive a lot of the time bar the flash of brilliance like when he did lay it on a plate for Bowen to score that winner in a Conference League Final.