Bowen

[LeroysBoots]

Saying all the right things ! https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 09575.html

[stubbo]

Mike, given the source I'm confident it's legit. The source got it direct from the head mouthpiece shill and would have posted it themselves with the cardigan bridge but his ID overthere is known and a new one take weeks as well as needing a colonoscopy from Howlett to post any ITK stuff.

 

#NewGrasshopper?

[El Scorchio]

 

How is it going to cost HIM money?

He doesn't and won't inject equity on a regular basis.

If your talking asset value well that's an unrealised capital gain, it isn't and never was money and would only be a perceived loss if the asset was sold while the value was distressed. Any sale abvoe his capital investment in his share holding is profit, he hasn't actually lost anything unless he sells belows that value even it the clubs value sinks below that. There no profit/loss until you sell. 

 

Because getting relegated obviously absolutely destroys the value of the club and getting promoted and re-established when you gutted the squad before you went down costs hundreds of millions with no guarantee of getting what you want. 

Yes he might sell the club for approx the same or a touch more than be bought it for but he’ll be losing out on/costing himself tens of millions if not hundreds of millions if we go down. It’s far cheaper and far less risky to not sell every player of value this summer. By all means sell the ones who want out and have some value (Paqueta, Kudus, Aguerd, Alvarez) AND replace them all with prospects but any more than that is enormously risky. 

Yes this is chickens coming home to roost for him as he’s responsible for all this mess, which is grounds for smirking, but unfortunately it damages our club too. 

You're either missing the point or don't understand it.

Even relegated to League One the club is likely still worth more than his inestment even when adjusted for inflation. Yes the assest has lost value but he hasn't any money because he never had it in the fisrt place because the gain was unrealized. The assest value is nothing but vanity.

The value of the assest only ever matters at the point of purchase or sale. It's why unrealized capital gains are untaxable.

There is no atual cost to Sullivan in the event of relegation.

No I understand it plenty well. It’s a bare fact he will sell the club for a lot more money as an established premier league team than a championship team or a yo yo club. Sure he might not make a loss on his original investment but it’s still insane. 

it’s like buying a house for 100k, building its worth to 200k, then purposely having it fall into disrepair or depreciating its value and eventually only selling it for 125k. Or having to invest another 75k to get it back up to that 200k value Sure you’ve made a small profit but you’ve just chucked away a potential 75k. It’s a completely inexplicably idiotic thing to do. 

[THUNDERCLINT]

There looks to be only two ways to make money from owning a football club. One is to load the club with debt - like the Glazers at MUFC - which (as yet) Sullivan hasn't done. The other is to preserve the asset value on the rising tide of Premier League popularity. 

It would be madness to risk that with no certainty of a quick return to the top flight.

The story is either bollocks or the Board have gone stark raving mad


 

The assest value only ever matter's at the point of purchase or sale.

If you've no plans to sell it it doesn't matter what it's worth especially when privately owned and immune to unsolicited takeovers.

[THUNDERCLINT]

It just doesn’t make business sense though. He stands to lose far more money long run if we go down. Which we will, if we sell all those players this summer. 

 

How is it going to cost HIM money?

He doesn't and won't inject equity on a regular basis.

If your talking asset value well that's an unrealised capital gain, it isn't and never was money and would only be a perceived loss if the asset was sold while the value was distressed. Any sale abvoe his capital investment in his share holding is profit, he hasn't actually lost anything unless he sells belows that value even it the clubs value sinks below that. There no profit/loss until you sell. 

 

Because getting relegated obviously absolutely destroys the value of the club and getting promoted and re-established when you gutted the squad before you went down costs hundreds of millions with no guarantee of getting what you want. 

Yes he might sell the club for approx the same or a touch more than be bought it for but he’ll be losing out on/costing himself tens of millions if not hundreds of millions if we go down. It’s far cheaper and far less risky to not sell every player of value this summer. By all means sell the ones who want out and have some value (Paqueta, Kudus, Aguerd, Alvarez) AND replace them all with prospects but any more than that is enormously risky. 

Yes this is chickens coming home to roost for him as he’s responsible for all this mess, which is grounds for smirking, but unfortunately it damages our club too. 

You're either missing the point or don't understand it.

Even relegated to League One the club is likely still worth more than his inestment even when adjusted for inflation. Yes the assest has lost value but he hasn't any money because he never had it in the fisrt place because the gain was unrealized. The assest value is nothing but vanity.

The value of the assest only ever matters at the point of purchase or sale. It's why unrealized capital gains are untaxable.

There is no atual cost to Sullivan in the event of relegation.

[El Scorchio]

He's desperate to cash in on Bowen but thinks he can only sell it to the plebs if no other sale looks likely and Potter's targets are in danger of going elsewhere. He knows he has to get atleast one of Cock Piss and Culkin's 1st choice targets or he might walk.

It just doesn’t make business sense though. He stands to lose far more money long run if we go down. Which we will, if we sell all those players this summer. 

 

How is it going to cost HIM money?

He doesn't and won't inject equity on a regular basis.

If your talking asset value well that's an unrealised capital gain, it isn't and never was money and would only be a perceived loss if the asset was sold while the value was distressed. Any sale abvoe his capital investment in his share holding is profit, he hasn't actually lost anything unless he sells belows that value even it the clubs value sinks below that. There no profit/loss until you sell. 

 

 

Because getting relegated obviously absolutely destroys the value of the club and getting promoted and re-established when you gutted the squad before you went down costs hundreds of millions with no guarantee of getting what you want. 

Yes he might sell the club for approx the same or a touch more than be bought it for but he’ll be losing out on/costing himself tens of millions if not hundreds of millions if we go down. It’s far cheaper and far less risky to not sell every player of value this summer. By all means sell the ones who want out and have some value (Paqueta, Kudus, Aguerd, Alvarez) AND replace them all with prospects but any more than that is enormously risky. 

Yes this is chickens coming home to roost for him as he’s responsible for all this mess, which is grounds for smirking, but unfortunately it damages our club too. 

[John Drake]

There looks to be only two ways to make money from owning a football club. One is to load the club with debt - like the Glazers at MUFC - which (as yet) Sullivan hasn't done. The other is to preserve the asset value on the rising tide of Premier League popularity. 

It would be madness to risk that with no certainty of a quick return to the top flight.

The story is either bollocks or the Board have gone stark raving mad

 

[THUNDERCLINT]

Seems a bit far fetched and stupid even for us. You don’t sell your star player and captain who wants to stay when you have loads of players who want out. Why do we have to wait until Bowen goes to sell anyone else if the deals are already agreed? Selling Bowen has no impact on them. 

Cant see it happening. Not even Sullivan is that dumb to set in motion a chain of events which will certainly relegate us. 

He's desperate to cash in on Bowen but thinks he can only sell it to the plebs if no other sale looks likely and Potter's targets are in danger of going elsewhere. He knows he has to get atleast one of Cock Piss and Culkin's 1st choice targets or he might walk.

It just doesn’t make business sense though. He stands to lose far more money long run if we go down. Which we will, if we sell all those players this summer. 

 

 

How is it going to cost HIM money?

He doesn't and won't inject equity on a regular basis.

If your talking asset value well that's an unrealised capital gain, it isn't and never was money and would only be a perceived loss if the asset was sold while the value was distressed. Any sale abvoe his capital investment in his share holding is profit, he hasn't actually lost anything unless he sells belows that value even it the clubs value sinks below that. There no profit/loss until you sell. 

[Alfs]

Utter bullshit.

[El Scorchio]

Seems a bit far fetched and stupid even for us. You don’t sell your star player and captain who wants to stay when you have loads of players who want out. Why do we have to wait until Bowen goes to sell anyone else if the deals are already agreed? Selling Bowen has no impact on them. 

Cant see it happening. Not even Sullivan is that dumb to set in motion a chain of events which will certainly relegate us. 

He's desperate to cash in on Bowen but thinks he can only sell it to the plebs if no other sale looks likely and Potter's targets are in danger of going elsewhere. He knows he has to get atleast one of Cock Piss and Culkin's 1st choice targets or he might walk.

It just doesn’t make business sense though. He stands to lose far more money long run if we go down. Which we will, if we sell all those players this summer. 

[THUNDERCLINT]

I don’t believe this for one second. They know there would be uproar if Bowen was sold, it just isn’t going to happen.

Do you not understand that he isn'tt scared of you?

As far as he's concerned he's seen you worst, crushed it and sent your top boys home with their tales between their legs and their bollocks round the long fella's neck like ears in Vietnam.

He's only bothering with the charade for tickets sales.

[Tomshardware]

Great player. Bowen deserves better than our shoddy outfit.  Would not  blame him at all for moving on as it's a short career.  

[Steady]

I don’t believe this for one second. They know there would be uproar if Bowen was sold, it just isn’t going to happen. As much as we all despise Sullivan, he isn’t deliberately going to try to relegate us and impact his wealth, the guy is a twat but even he’s not that much of a twat

[Takashi Miike]

clint, do they not realise this isn't championship manager, where you can turn over the whole squad in one summer and expect to be competing straight away? especially with this anti football manager they've employed. also on what planet do you make a priority of selling your two main goalscorers?

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[THUNDERCLINT]

Seems a bit far fetched and stupid even for us. You don’t sell your star player and captain who wants to stay when you have loads of players who want out. Why do we have to wait until Bowen goes to sell anyone else if the deals are already agreed? Selling Bowen has no impact on them. 

Cant see it happening. Not even Sullivan is that dumb to set in motion a chain of events which will certainly relegate us. 

He's desperate to cash in on Bowen but thinks he can only sell it to the plebs if no other sale looks likely and Potter's targets are in danger of going elsewhere. He knows he has to get atleast one of Cock Piss and Culkin's 1st choice targets or he might walk.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Mike, given the source I'm confident it's legit. The source got it direct from the head mouthpiece shill and would have posted it themselves with the cardigan bridge but his ID overthere is known and a new one take weeks as well as needing a colonoscopy from Howlett to post any ITK stuff.
 

[El Scorchio]

Seems a bit far fetched and stupid even for us. You don’t sell your star player and captain who wants to stay when you have loads of players who want out. Why do we have to wait until Bowen goes to sell anyone else if the deals are already agreed? Selling Bowen has no impact on them. 

Cant see it happening. Not even Sullivan is that dumb to set in motion a chain of events which will certainly relegate us. 

[Takashi Miike]

he'll be bringing burnley mk2 on steroids if he sells bowen this summer, the little fucking parasite cսnt

as I said to someone a few weeks ago, it's a controlled demolition. for what fucking purpose, who knows? but what owner/chairman wants the grief he's going to get if what you've just said is true? it's utter fucking madness, especially given that the skint excuses are utter bullshit, and only the thickest believe them

[THUNDERCLINT]

Info I happened upon last night.

Bowen IS 100 % for sale with 3 bids in from PL clubs. 2 bids are straight cash north of 75 mil and the 3rd is cash plus a 40 mil valued prospect. 

These bids are the reason there have been no outs as Sullivan knows he can only, maybe, get away with a Bowen sale IF we SEEM desperate for cash and no one else has been sold. The spin will be that we reluctantly sold him to avoid missing Potter's primary targets.

Miraculously once Bowen is out Kudus, Alvarez, Fullkrug and Aguerd  (deals already done but being delayed until after Bowen ) will be gone within 48 hours for circa 100m million with Kudus being just over half of that. Paqueta, if cleared, Emerson and Soucek also close for an additional 35ish million. Possible interest in Areola and Mavropanos.

Once the decks are cleared Potter only has 100 mil to spend.

Sullivan is talking to Josh Brownhill who has just bought a house in Essex.

[Matthew Holmes]

"Bother, I missed the full stop."

[Matthew Holmes]

"The Evening ""very low"" standard of English"

[RBshorty]

Everyone has a price. And Declan was always going too go.!

[Steady]

Saying all the right things! So did Declan’s Rice

[Alfs]

"What kind of English is the opening sentence? ""Jarrod Bowen says he did not realise how big a club West Ham was when he changed, but winning the Europa Conference League changed that""."