WHY is Potter going to succeed this season?

[threesixty]

Right, I’ve had my meltdown.. I’m good now.
I’m going to try to be positive like this last 6 months was a bad dream.
Is Potter doing an Arteta?
Trying to create a squad of “school kids” that actually listen to him?
Is this the only way he knows how to get things to work?

I understand the logical reasons for selling Kudus  i.e.
he plays best in Bowens position and Summerville is better on the left, and he’s not really a playmaker so he’s sort of a talented misfit. I get it. And I get why he would want to get rid of Alvarez, or Emerson etc.

But it’s hard to have faith when Potters actual coaching skills and decision making ability under pressure seem so poor! And have been terrible for the last 6 months with very little improvement. It’s relatively easy to reduce the goal deficit if you remove your attacking threat, thats all he seems to have done. 

So can someone explain what this Potter imagined team is about philosophically? Is there actually a style and system that makes sense in this league? I’m trying to be optimistic. Basically, why is Potter going to succeed next season?

[honky cat]

He is going to succeed as he is a budgie with no teeth.

budgie piss potter

[yngwies Cat]

He's going to be a fuckin monster next season. Alright it was the new manager bounce back after a week, but those of us at Villia in the cup had a glimpse.

Fuck last season, Fuck Kudos, next season is all about a new fuckin slate. 

THE PHONEY WAR!

Summer transfer window, A complete load of bollocks, regardless if your in the know or know Dorris in the canteen 
IGNORE IT, WE CANT INFLUENCE IT (HAS BEEN PROVEN BY KUDOS)


Its now an industry within itself, to get us mugs suckered into. We are responsible for paying people's for fuckin gossip.
MENTAL!;

Ignore it, You can't change it. Its not in your hands as much as you hate that board, 

Chill Winston ..

Enjoy the summer 


 

[stubbo-admin]

Potter from when he was "good".

Graham Potter – Brighton – 2022-23 Tactical Analysis – TheMastermindSite

https://share.google/DtGwReZqESKJ42Cq8

[threesixty]

If you're a skint sleeping giant with average players and a couple of stars, you might want Potter over Guardiola. One built a career on the back of taking an unknown small club with no stars and no money all the way to the top places of the top division in a small European league who could never attract big names or spend much on wages. The other has ONLY worked at massive clubs with Champions League appeal and tons of money to spend, without the worry of a big money signing working out because you have another three big names who can play there. 

Given that Potter is dirty cheap to employ compared to Guardiola as well, we might actually have the best man for the job here but he's going to have to get the existing players performing at a much, much higher level than they have been.

Kanté, Guilherme, Cummings and the home grown lads will need to be ready, not all at once, but as squad players. It's a massive job but I can't think of a single manager whose CV reads better to do it who we could realistically employ. Certainly not Will Still.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Potter fan and think we should have kept Lopetegui and Steidten but for where we are, let's see if he can make something of the squad. At the very least there should be a big name free transfer in there with all the wage money freed up, if that freebie suits Potter's style then perhaps he can aim at top half. And by top half, I mean 9th.

 

 

Would make sense if we had “average” players. 
we can field a starting 11 of full, 1st choice internationals. 
2 are captains of their country. 
1 was the lead striker in a euro final 
1 is brazils no. 10
1 has won every club competition in Europe!
etc etc

and he has to remove the talent to get down to his level of coaching ability. 

I just don’t understand why any of this is acceptable. 
potter gets no scrutiny from the press either. 
I feel like we are in the twilight zone. Nothing makes sense. 

[Gank]

If you're a skint sleeping giant with average players and a couple of stars, you might want Potter over Guardiola. One built a career on the back of taking an unknown small club with no stars and no money all the way to the top places of the top division in a small European league who could never attract big names or spend much on wages. The other has ONLY worked at massive clubs with Champions League appeal and tons of money to spend, without the worry of a big money signing working out because you have another three big names who can play there. 

Given that Potter is dirty cheap to employ compared to Guardiola as well, we might actually have the best man for the job here but he's going to have to get the existing players performing at a much, much higher level than they have been.

Kanté, Guilherme, Cummings and the home grown lads will need to be ready, not all at once, but as squad players. It's a massive job but I can't think of a single manager whose CV reads better to do it who we could realistically employ. Certainly not Will Still.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Potter fan and think we should have kept Lopetegui and Steidten but for where we are, let's see if he can make something of the squad. At the very least there should be a big name free transfer in there with all the wage money freed up, if that freebie suits Potter's style then perhaps he can aim at top half. And by top half, I mean 9th.

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

Yeah, I’m not buying that.

What, you calling him a liar?

Makes sense that he'd be offered a contract at that time, despite the fans not liking his style of football. We were in 6th place after a very good run of results. Moyes thought he was worth more than he was offered so delayed signing it, probably thinking the good results would continue. Then we didn't win any of the next 6 games, so the contract was withdrawn.

[Mad Ferret]

Yeah, I’m not buying that.

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

You got a link to that interview chap? 

'We [West Ham] beat Arsenal on December 28, at The Emirates, and that day the club had offered me a new contract,' he said on the Stick to Football podcast.

'We then went on a three-game losing streak, lost to Manchester United and Nottingham Forest, and I hadn’t signed the contract as I wasn’t sure if I should stay. 

'The contract wasn’t a great contract, but David Sullivan withdrew the contract just off the back of those results. We then said we’d wait and make a decision at the end of the season.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... mmers.html

So, nothing to with the fans. All down to shit results and it being "not a great contract" anyway.

[Mad Ferret]

You got a link to that interview chap? 

[Mr Anon]

Does make me laugh. Moyes hounded out for being too direct.

Potter being hounded out for being too passive/powderpuff.

Someone will get the balance right one day.

Moyes was always going to leave. Regardless.

At that point, we had just won a trophy, and in a very good position. Had sullivan not been a cheap cսnt and hired Jlop, we'd have been able to attract the likes of Amorim had we paid the compensation for him. 

The fall from where we were a few years ago, is solely at Sullivans feet.

We've had all this money from Europe, the Rice sale, consistently in the PL and we're fucking skint.

After Arsenal away, Moyes said there was a new contract on the table.

Then the fans got too big for their boots and started giving him a hard time, so he didn't sign the deal and left.

He's said in an interview that contract was withdrawn 

[Pub Bigot]

Even if Potter had shown glimpses of a decent manager, he’s being hamstrung by the board. We’re not a club built for anything other than the bare minimum, which pays wells for the company directors. 

[boleyn8420]

Potter is yet another Emperors new clothes kind of manager for us. We could all see last season how fucking clueless he was, as an example the number of multiple subs either at or shortly after half time. Then when criticised for that, he waited until the last 5 minutes before subbing people on. The link between the two is that he picked the wrong line up every fucking time.

Now we are all trying to convince ourselves that he couldn't really be that bad and after a transfer window he will be okay as he will have his own players in there. Fuck off. He is absolutely shit, just look at his last 6 months in charge. If we keep this clown we will be in the bottom 3 come October/November when they will have to sack the useless twat. That is correct, I am not a fan.

[Massive Attack]

Kante is a talented youngster? News to me. He struggled to get game time at Paris FC in Ligue 2 last season. 6 games in fact amounting to a whopping total of 59 minutes. He's 20 in September. 

[ATHammer]

We have a group of promising, talented youngsters in Kante; Guilerme; Earthy; Scarles; Potts; Orford; Marshall; Casey who could come through and that is exciting.
My concern is that the calibre of senior pro we will be left with is low. 
Consider Scarles against Arsenal. Paqueta and Cresswell were consistently at his side, giving him the ball in space and encouraging him to perform. Result, man of the match performance.
Fast forward to Liverpool and Kilman goes walk about to leave Scarles to hang out to dry against Sallah. 
Potter over saw that but didn't drop Kilman.
Exposing youngsters to that without senior pro support is likely to end their careers before they start.
Creswell is gone and Paqueta unlikely to be around. Kilman will probably be here along with Ward Prowse.
I seriously question Soucek's ability but his commitment will rub off positively and cannot be questioned.
So there are few leaders or role models left.  
The problem is that Potter is an inferior manager, building an inferior team, to play system football for an ambitionless board so the clubs definition of success is survival.
So the only way that Potter will succeed is if there are three worse teams than us which, if the sales continue, will be touch and go.
That would not be my definition of success, however, Top 10 would be OK, and I can't see that happening.

[threesixty]

I think a better question is "WHO is going to succeed Potter this season?"

To be fair to Potter, if you hire a manager who has a specific preference in the way he sets up then he's always going to struggle if he doesn't have the right personnel. The problem then becomes whether you push the boat out and give him what he needs, knowing that if he continues his abysmal record so far then you will have to sack him in a few months and replace him with a manager who might have completely different needs (and it's especially difficult when there are much fewer managers available mid-season).

Sullivan has done this kind of flip flopping about with pretty much every manager he's hired. He has no concept of succession planning. If he did then we wouldn't have this constant problem with each new manager struggling to adapt to the squad at his disposal. 

 

 

That’s an even more worrying issue tbh. You can’t invest in players for a manager to carry out a specific style of football if you don’t believe that manager is going to survive past Christmas!

This is why a DOF is so necessary here. To solve this ridiculous problem we have of buying the right player for the manager instead of buying the right player for the club. 

I just don’t get why we hired a DOF and didn’t listen to him. What was the point? And why did we allow him to be undermined in the way he was?

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

I think a better question is "WHO is going to succeed Potter this season?"

To be fair to Potter, if you hire a manager who has a specific preference in the way he sets up then he's always going to struggle if he doesn't have the right personnel. The problem then becomes whether you push the boat out and give him what he needs, knowing that if he continues his abysmal record so far then you will have to sack him in a few months and replace him with a manager who might have completely different needs (and it's especially difficult when there are much fewer managers available mid-season).

Sullivan has done this kind of flip flopping about with pretty much every manager he's hired. He has no concept of succession planning. If he did then we wouldn't have this constant problem with each new manager struggling to adapt to the squad at his disposal. 

[threesixty]

Anyway, long answer- and I know most people will disagree, that's fine. I think IF he's allowed to get in 4-5 players that HE ACTUALLY WANTS rather than compromises or sullivan specials in those key positions, we can be decent next season. I think almost any manager would struggle to get much out of what we've got available right now. Yes we have Bowen and Fullkrug and (for now) Paqueta, but there is just zero fucking spine to this team to give these players a platform to succeed. Fix that- which IS possible- and I think we can do alright and look forward. Don't fix it and we are right in a relegation scrap.

This is 3 years of mismanagement coming home to roost.

 

 

The thing that has always worried me about him is that a good manager can improve any side. If he was saying “I need 1 or 2 amazing players to get into the CL spots or win a title” like Antonio Conte was saying to Spurs etc, I’d understand. Especially as he has the track record to prove he can do what he says he’s going to do.

But how can a guy need 5 or 6 new players to get from 14th to 10th? (Assuming we are aiming for mid table?). Considering these are all internationals and have won a trophy etc in recent years?

My conclusion is that he’s a bit of a bullshit merchant tbh. Says the right stuff, puts his psychology degree to good use in dealing with the board etc. But in reality he has had 2 squads with decent, international players at Chelsea and West Ham and has not been able to radically improve either of them through coaching.

[THUNDERCLINT]

The only thing this boring goal shy crab ball shit cսnt has ever succeeded in doing is delivering boring goal shy crab ball shit cunting so of course, in his eyes, he'll have  succeeded because his only goal is delivering boring goal shy crab ball shit cuntery.

COCK PISS POTTER OUT.

[El Scorchio]

Shouldn't think this will go down well, but I think he can make a decent fist of it given a bit of time to get in the type of players he wants or needs to run his setup. I think it would be very hard for any manager to get the players we have- particularly across the back and in the centre of midfield- playing functionally in any way aside from the Moyes low block. The physical attributes just aren't there. Moyes was just building for the short term in his last 18 months as he know he was out the door and Sullivan just let him. Players for a short term 'efficient' effect on the team. Take JWP. Decent deal for the very short term and gave us good set piece opportunities while being asked to do little physically in play given the tactics. Essentially stay really defensive, try and score or win a corner/free kick on the break and rely on scoring off that. 

But they bought his one big asset at a huge premium where the tactics covered all his weaknesses. I think you can say that for a few players who were brought in. You want to play another way? Then it just doesn't work. Moyes (and why should he) paid no attention to what would come beyond him being there. Lop to be fair did the right thing by loaning him out and realising he wouldn't be very useful in his setup, but then proceeds to bring in a bunch of players just as ill fitting and play loads of them not in any way to their strengths, and it showed as we got brutally exposed on the pitch again and again with a load of players just not up to it/fit for purpose- but Lop was responsible for bringing in several of these.

Now Potter has hardly done better. Yes we aren't getting pumped by 4-5 goals since he came in but we just aren't an attacking force at all. Quite a lot of provision was IMO being made to try and mask the deficiencies of the CB and CMs in the squad. However unlike the other managers he's not been able to bring in a single player as of yet (the bizarre loan of Ferguson aside- I genuinely think there was some behind the scenes weirdness with that one because on the face of it it made no sense given how it played out- player either crocked or bad attitude or just another Michael Ricketts one season wonder. And we all said we needed far more than just Ferguson in that window) so I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and see what it's like with a couple of CMs that are up to it and can do what's required, and hopefully another competent CB because you can tell he really didn't fancy Mav and Todibo was crocked all season. If Kilman is your best fit defender, you're in trouble, Fucking CRESSWELL looked better out of position than all of them.

Anyway, long answer- and I know most people will disagree, that's fine. I think IF he's allowed to get in 4-5 players that HE ACTUALLY WANTS rather than compromises or sullivan specials in those key positions, we can be decent next season. I think almost any manager would struggle to get much out of what we've got available right now. Yes we have Bowen and Fullkrug and (for now) Paqueta, but there is just zero fucking spine to this team to give these players a platform to succeed. Fix that- which IS possible- and I think we can do alright and look forward. Don't fix it and we are right in a relegation scrap.

This is 3 years of mismanagement coming home to roost.

[threesixty]

I dont really want to go over old shit with Moyes, but for the record, his record after xmas in the league 2 seasons in a row made the decision to renew his contact untenable. It’s that simple. The numbers don’t lie.
Whats baffling is that we have had 2 managers since with equally dismal records and this latest one is being kept on. why?

What is it he has shown or has done in the past that makes the management feel he will be a success?
 

[fraser]

Does make me laugh. Moyes hounded out for being too direct.

Potter being hounded out for being too passive/powderpuff.

Someone will get the balance right one day.

Moyes was always going to leave. Regardless.

At that point, we had just won a trophy, and in a very good position. Had sullivan not been a cheap cսnt and hired Jlop, we'd have been able to attract the likes of Amorim had we paid the compensation for him. 

The fall from where we were a few years ago, is solely at Sullivans feet.

We've had all this money from Europe, the Rice sale, consistently in the PL and we're fucking skint.

After Arsenal away, Moyes said there was a new contract on the table.

Then the fans got too big for their boots and started giving him a hard time, so he didn't sign the deal and left.

Worst bit of fishing ever... Moyes was never ever staying, if there was a new contract it was one he wouldn't sign. 

[Mad Ferret]

Does make me laugh. Moyes hounded out for being too direct.

Potter being hounded out for being too passive/powderpuff.

Someone will get the balance right one day.

Moyes was always going to leave. Regardless.

At that point, we had just won a trophy, and in a very good position. Had sullivan not been a cheap cսnt and hired Jlop, we'd have been able to attract the likes of Amorim had we paid the compensation for him. 

The fall from where we were a few years ago, is solely at Sullivans feet.

We've had all this money from Europe, the Rice sale, consistently in the PL and we're fucking skint.

After Arsenal away, Moyes said there was a new contract on the table.

Then the fans got too big for their boots and started giving him a hard time, so he didn't sign the deal and left.

[Big head]

Does make me laugh. Moyes hounded out for being too direct.

Potter being hounded out for being too passive/powderpuff.

Someone will get the balance right one day.

Moyes was always going to leave. Regardless.

At that point, we had just won a trophy, and in a very good position. Had sullivan not been a cheap cսnt and hired Jlop, we'd have been able to attract the likes of Amorim had we paid the compensation for him. 

The fall from where we were a few years ago, is solely at Sullivans feet.

We've had all this money from Europe, the Rice sale, consistently in the PL and we're fucking skint.

[Mike Oxsaw]

I don't think a drop down to the Championship will force Sullivan's hand.

In fact I suspect he will feel further emboldened as he now has a product with the "potential for success" rammed to the gills with 2-Bob level players on 2-Bob level wages, rather than a PL team requiring better quality (i.e. more expensive) players to maintain PL status.

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

Does make me laugh. Moyes hounded out for being too direct.

Potter being hounded out for being too passive/powderpuff.

Someone will get the balance right one day.

For most people, or the clued up ones anyway, the issue with Moyes wasn't about being too direct. It was about being too passive. We didn't press the ball nearly enough. Just waited until the other side lost possession deep in our half and then tried to make a break.

Potter somehow manages to be passive when actually in possession, which is some feat, I suppose.

You can actually be direct and play decent attacking football, like Liverpool played under Klopp and Brentford under Frank.