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- One Sunny Day
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Mr French horse shit probably needs a kneecapping. Then again, probably pointless as his typing fingers will still work.
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Imagine a WHU central London sit down protest slagging off Jews ? ...(Not that we would. )
how long would we last before RoboCop turned up and slapped random football banning orders ?
how long would we last before RoboCop turned up and slapped random football banning orders ?
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Without giving Mr French click bait some.more clicking what is the bumblebee cսnt trying to say?
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Leonard Hatred" wrote: ↑30 Apr 2025, 21:15 I predict one of them will get shot.
You can't go around winding folk up like that.
Not in this day and age.
loyalist areas are solid and know the score with these twats
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Leonard Hatred" wrote: ↑01 May 2025, 17:09 It'd be quite ironic if the UVF took umbrage and kneecapped them
These kids weren't even born born at the back end of the troubles ...let alone in the business end .
Hopefully they grow up and become responsible MEN for their family .
King Billy x
Hopefully they grow up and become responsible MEN for their family .
King Billy x
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Massive Attack" wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025, 22:42 People losing their shit over the tasteless effigy, ok fine. However the same demented cunts then howl with laughter when burning effigys were made up of both Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.
It's the moral hypocrisy of it all that does my nut in with these hand-wringing wankers.
Don't forget the Donald..
Mayor Knunt took great pleasure in that like
Mayor Knunt took great pleasure in that like
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Massive Attack" wrote: ↑10 Jul 2025, 22:42 People losing their shit over the tasteless effigy, ok fine. However the same demented cunts then howl with laughter when burning effigys were made up of both Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.
It's the moral hypocrisy of it all that does my nut in with these hand-wringing wankers.
Spot on mate.
but why is the loyalist genius work of art tasteless ?
If that was Wanksy the usual degenerates would be all over it
every year the loyalist community top off their bonnies to make a statement about what's in their heart
Last year the PSNI got it with the plod wagon..the driver was cammed up in rainbow colours





but why is the loyalist genius work of art tasteless ?
If that was Wanksy the usual degenerates would be all over it
every year the loyalist community top off their bonnies to make a statement about what's in their heart
Last year the PSNI got it with the plod wagon..the driver was cammed up in rainbow colours
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One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑03 May 2025, 02:14 Good, balanced view that Billy Bragg has taken, over this. I think people on the right and the left will be surprised by some of it. -
"I’m glad to see that a number of artists have signed a letter defending Kneecap from attempts to remove them from various festival bills in the wake of comments made at shows over two years ago. The band have apologised for the hurt they caused to the families of murdered MPs and distanced themselves from Hamas and Hezbollah. Having taken that step, I believe they deserve to be reinstated on those bills that have removed them, and also confirmed as playing at those festivals where they are already scheduled to perform.
However, I’m not sure I would have felt comfortable signing the letter (I wasn’t asked). My problem is that the wording lacks any sense of nuance or understanding of why this whole furore kicked off. And in trying to avoid the complexities of this issue by claiming that the politics of an artist’s views are irrelevant, the signatories are arguing that the only principle at stake here is free speech. I disagree. Andrew Tate uses that justification to avoid accusations that he is pedalling misogyny. Free speech absolutism has made Twitter a sewer of right wing bile and sexist bullying. Rock Against Racism was founded on the belief that artists should not be free to say whatever they want to say, without any consequence.
If we want to live in a society where everyone can exercise their liberty to freely express their opinions, then we have to take two other crucial dimensions into consideration. Firstly, we must give equal space for other opinions to be expressed. And secondly, to prevent those first two rights from being exploited by those who would abuse them by threatening and discriminating against others, we need to accept that words have consequences.
What that means in practice is that we must be careful not to allow the considered and cogent arguments we seek to make - Free Palestine, end the genocide - to be undermined by flippant statements that we later have to apologise for. I think the artist’s letter would have been much stronger, as would the case for reinstating Kneecap, if it had recognised this crucial dynamic, rather than seeking to brush all other considerations aside.
Kneecap have been vocal allies of the Palestinian people, and their criticisms of Israel are, in my view, totally justified. Only the most blinkered supporters of Israel would now deny that what is being perpetrated in Gaza is genocide. I know that because I’ve argued with such people about this terminology on social media. The graphics that Kneecap displayed at Coachella, and the statements they made from the stage are not anti-Semitic, they are anti-Israel. It’s an important distinction: Anti-semitism is discrimination based on ethnicity and, like all racism, should always be opposed. The right to protest against the behaviour of a state is a fundamental freedom that must be upheld. Adopting laws that make it illegal to do so is the hallmark of a totalitarian regime.
And let’s not kid ourselves. The band are being punished for the anti-Israel statements they made at Coachella. Sharon Osbourne’s complaints sent the right wing press off to scour the internet looking for a stick to beat the band with and, unfortunately, they found it. While some might argue that there is a case to be made in support of Hamas, it cannot be done by ignoring the killing of 815 Israel civilians including 36 children on October 7th, just as it is not possible to express support for Israel without recognising the ongoing slaughter of over 40,000 Palestinian civilians, more than 14,500 of them children, according to UNICEF.
The weight of the moral argument against Israel rests on the fact that the targeting of civilians is a war crime. While the extreme magnitude of the retribution that is being inflicted on the people of Gaza is out of all proportion, we must not lose sight of that fact. If we hope to one day see Netanyahu tried in The Hague, then we must also accept that those responsible for killing civilians on October 7th should stand trial on similar charges. Failure to do so undermines support for the Palestinian people, because it suggests that not all dead children are equal. And, as Kneecap have discovered, it also gifts control of the narrative to one’s enemies.
It shouldn’t go unmentioned that the people calling for Kneecap to be banned are the same people who decry cancel culture whenever anyone of their political persuasion is called to account. That none of the reactionaries who argue for the right to offend has stepped up to defend the band shows you what a bunch of self-serving hypocrites they are. Nor should we be comfortable with the possibility that Kneecap could be prosecuted for ill-considered comments made during a concert.
The fact is, people say stupid things onstage in the heat of the moment. In calmer environments, the band make it clear that they do not support the targeting of civilians, be they non-combatants or members of parliament, citing the experience of their community during the Troubles. In doing so, they implicitly recognise that there are limits to freedom of expression, that some things cannot be said without consequence.
Perhaps if they addressed some of the complexities of this situation in an interview, putting their statements and subsequent treatment into context while defending their right to call out genocide, it might clear the air and garner wider support for Kneecap to perform as scheduled this summer.
What I don’t think helps them - or any of us who wish to engage in debate around highly contentious issues - is a blanket demand that artists be allowed to say whatever they want to say, without consequence.
We live in a time when acting with impunity is celebrated by people who believe that physical strength, unprecedented wealth, popular acclaim or technological nous gives an individual the right to do whatever they want. Yet freedom, and your ability to enjoy it, relies on no one being above the law. Liberty, the right to express yourself in word and deed, is not in and of itself enough to constitute the state of being free, for, without equality, liberty is nothing more than privilege. And, as our American cousins are discovering to their cost, liberty without accountability is tantamount to tyranny."
If like me your thumb ached scrolling through that. Here’s ChatGPT summary.
The writer supports Kneecap’s return to festival lineups after their apology and distancing from extremist groups but criticizes a public letter defending them for ignoring the complexities of free speech and accountability. They argue that while Kneecap’s criticism of Israel isn’t antisemitic and should be protected, words have consequences—especially on sensitive issues like Gaza. The piece calls out hypocrisy in cancel culture and stresses that freedom of expression must be balanced with responsibility and equality.
The writer supports Kneecap’s return to festival lineups after their apology and distancing from extremist groups but criticizes a public letter defending them for ignoring the complexities of free speech and accountability. They argue that while Kneecap’s criticism of Israel isn’t antisemitic and should be protected, words have consequences—especially on sensitive issues like Gaza. The piece calls out hypocrisy in cancel culture and stresses that freedom of expression must be balanced with responsibility and equality.
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People losing their shit over the tasteless effigy, ok fine. However the same demented cunts then howl with laughter when burning effigys were made up of both Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage.
It's the moral hypocrisy of it all that does my nut in with these hand-wringing wankers.
It's the moral hypocrisy of it all that does my nut in with these hand-wringing wankers.
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Eerie Decent" wrote: ↑01 May 2025, 10:12 Weller has signed an open letter of support for them, saying politics shouldn't get in the way of artists being able to play gigs/festivals.
Unless you have different political opinions to him, of course.
Weller has always despised the white working class
Down in the tube station at midnight is classic Jam .
(He was on about me and my kind)
Eton rifles was a pop at the ruperts.
He's your typical leftwaffe minge toby throwing his weight around and putting the white working class scum in their place...(In his world)
i have news for Weller ...
You're the cսnt ..TOP TABLE
Down in the tube station at midnight is classic Jam .
(He was on about me and my kind)
Eton rifles was a pop at the ruperts.
He's your typical leftwaffe minge toby throwing his weight around and putting the white working class scum in their place...(In his world)
i have news for Weller ...
You're the cսnt ..TOP TABLE
- One Sunny Day
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Good, balanced view that Billy Bragg has taken, over this. I think people on the right and the left will be surprised by some of it. -
"I’m glad to see that a number of artists have signed a letter defending Kneecap from attempts to remove them from various festival bills in the wake of comments made at shows over two years ago. The band have apologised for the hurt they caused to the families of murdered MPs and distanced themselves from Hamas and Hezbollah. Having taken that step, I believe they deserve to be reinstated on those bills that have removed them, and also confirmed as playing at those festivals where they are already scheduled to perform.
However, I’m not sure I would have felt comfortable signing the letter (I wasn’t asked). My problem is that the wording lacks any sense of nuance or understanding of why this whole furore kicked off. And in trying to avoid the complexities of this issue by claiming that the politics of an artist’s views are irrelevant, the signatories are arguing that the only principle at stake here is free speech. I disagree. Andrew Tate uses that justification to avoid accusations that he is pedalling misogyny. Free speech absolutism has made Twitter a sewer of right wing bile and sexist bullying. Rock Against Racism was founded on the belief that artists should not be free to say whatever they want to say, without any consequence.
If we want to live in a society where everyone can exercise their liberty to freely express their opinions, then we have to take two other crucial dimensions into consideration. Firstly, we must give equal space for other opinions to be expressed. And secondly, to prevent those first two rights from being exploited by those who would abuse them by threatening and discriminating against others, we need to accept that words have consequences.
What that means in practice is that we must be careful not to allow the considered and cogent arguments we seek to make - Free Palestine, end the genocide - to be undermined by flippant statements that we later have to apologise for. I think the artist’s letter would have been much stronger, as would the case for reinstating Kneecap, if it had recognised this crucial dynamic, rather than seeking to brush all other considerations aside.
Kneecap have been vocal allies of the Palestinian people, and their criticisms of Israel are, in my view, totally justified. Only the most blinkered supporters of Israel would now deny that what is being perpetrated in Gaza is genocide. I know that because I’ve argued with such people about this terminology on social media. The graphics that Kneecap displayed at Coachella, and the statements they made from the stage are not anti-Semitic, they are anti-Israel. It’s an important distinction: Anti-semitism is discrimination based on ethnicity and, like all racism, should always be opposed. The right to protest against the behaviour of a state is a fundamental freedom that must be upheld. Adopting laws that make it illegal to do so is the hallmark of a totalitarian regime.
And let’s not kid ourselves. The band are being punished for the anti-Israel statements they made at Coachella. Sharon Osbourne’s complaints sent the right wing press off to scour the internet looking for a stick to beat the band with and, unfortunately, they found it. While some might argue that there is a case to be made in support of Hamas, it cannot be done by ignoring the killing of 815 Israel civilians including 36 children on October 7th, just as it is not possible to express support for Israel without recognising the ongoing slaughter of over 40,000 Palestinian civilians, more than 14,500 of them children, according to UNICEF.
The weight of the moral argument against Israel rests on the fact that the targeting of civilians is a war crime. While the extreme magnitude of the retribution that is being inflicted on the people of Gaza is out of all proportion, we must not lose sight of that fact. If we hope to one day see Netanyahu tried in The Hague, then we must also accept that those responsible for killing civilians on October 7th should stand trial on similar charges. Failure to do so undermines support for the Palestinian people, because it suggests that not all dead children are equal. And, as Kneecap have discovered, it also gifts control of the narrative to one’s enemies.
It shouldn’t go unmentioned that the people calling for Kneecap to be banned are the same people who decry cancel culture whenever anyone of their political persuasion is called to account. That none of the reactionaries who argue for the right to offend has stepped up to defend the band shows you what a bunch of self-serving hypocrites they are. Nor should we be comfortable with the possibility that Kneecap could be prosecuted for ill-considered comments made during a concert.
The fact is, people say stupid things onstage in the heat of the moment. In calmer environments, the band make it clear that they do not support the targeting of civilians, be they non-combatants or members of parliament, citing the experience of their community during the Troubles. In doing so, they implicitly recognise that there are limits to freedom of expression, that some things cannot be said without consequence.
Perhaps if they addressed some of the complexities of this situation in an interview, putting their statements and subsequent treatment into context while defending their right to call out genocide, it might clear the air and garner wider support for Kneecap to perform as scheduled this summer.
What I don’t think helps them - or any of us who wish to engage in debate around highly contentious issues - is a blanket demand that artists be allowed to say whatever they want to say, without consequence.
We live in a time when acting with impunity is celebrated by people who believe that physical strength, unprecedented wealth, popular acclaim or technological nous gives an individual the right to do whatever they want. Yet freedom, and your ability to enjoy it, relies on no one being above the law. Liberty, the right to express yourself in word and deed, is not in and of itself enough to constitute the state of being free, for, without equality, liberty is nothing more than privilege. And, as our American cousins are discovering to their cost, liberty without accountability is tantamount to tyranny."
"I’m glad to see that a number of artists have signed a letter defending Kneecap from attempts to remove them from various festival bills in the wake of comments made at shows over two years ago. The band have apologised for the hurt they caused to the families of murdered MPs and distanced themselves from Hamas and Hezbollah. Having taken that step, I believe they deserve to be reinstated on those bills that have removed them, and also confirmed as playing at those festivals where they are already scheduled to perform.
However, I’m not sure I would have felt comfortable signing the letter (I wasn’t asked). My problem is that the wording lacks any sense of nuance or understanding of why this whole furore kicked off. And in trying to avoid the complexities of this issue by claiming that the politics of an artist’s views are irrelevant, the signatories are arguing that the only principle at stake here is free speech. I disagree. Andrew Tate uses that justification to avoid accusations that he is pedalling misogyny. Free speech absolutism has made Twitter a sewer of right wing bile and sexist bullying. Rock Against Racism was founded on the belief that artists should not be free to say whatever they want to say, without any consequence.
If we want to live in a society where everyone can exercise their liberty to freely express their opinions, then we have to take two other crucial dimensions into consideration. Firstly, we must give equal space for other opinions to be expressed. And secondly, to prevent those first two rights from being exploited by those who would abuse them by threatening and discriminating against others, we need to accept that words have consequences.
What that means in practice is that we must be careful not to allow the considered and cogent arguments we seek to make - Free Palestine, end the genocide - to be undermined by flippant statements that we later have to apologise for. I think the artist’s letter would have been much stronger, as would the case for reinstating Kneecap, if it had recognised this crucial dynamic, rather than seeking to brush all other considerations aside.
Kneecap have been vocal allies of the Palestinian people, and their criticisms of Israel are, in my view, totally justified. Only the most blinkered supporters of Israel would now deny that what is being perpetrated in Gaza is genocide. I know that because I’ve argued with such people about this terminology on social media. The graphics that Kneecap displayed at Coachella, and the statements they made from the stage are not anti-Semitic, they are anti-Israel. It’s an important distinction: Anti-semitism is discrimination based on ethnicity and, like all racism, should always be opposed. The right to protest against the behaviour of a state is a fundamental freedom that must be upheld. Adopting laws that make it illegal to do so is the hallmark of a totalitarian regime.
And let’s not kid ourselves. The band are being punished for the anti-Israel statements they made at Coachella. Sharon Osbourne’s complaints sent the right wing press off to scour the internet looking for a stick to beat the band with and, unfortunately, they found it. While some might argue that there is a case to be made in support of Hamas, it cannot be done by ignoring the killing of 815 Israel civilians including 36 children on October 7th, just as it is not possible to express support for Israel without recognising the ongoing slaughter of over 40,000 Palestinian civilians, more than 14,500 of them children, according to UNICEF.
The weight of the moral argument against Israel rests on the fact that the targeting of civilians is a war crime. While the extreme magnitude of the retribution that is being inflicted on the people of Gaza is out of all proportion, we must not lose sight of that fact. If we hope to one day see Netanyahu tried in The Hague, then we must also accept that those responsible for killing civilians on October 7th should stand trial on similar charges. Failure to do so undermines support for the Palestinian people, because it suggests that not all dead children are equal. And, as Kneecap have discovered, it also gifts control of the narrative to one’s enemies.
It shouldn’t go unmentioned that the people calling for Kneecap to be banned are the same people who decry cancel culture whenever anyone of their political persuasion is called to account. That none of the reactionaries who argue for the right to offend has stepped up to defend the band shows you what a bunch of self-serving hypocrites they are. Nor should we be comfortable with the possibility that Kneecap could be prosecuted for ill-considered comments made during a concert.
The fact is, people say stupid things onstage in the heat of the moment. In calmer environments, the band make it clear that they do not support the targeting of civilians, be they non-combatants or members of parliament, citing the experience of their community during the Troubles. In doing so, they implicitly recognise that there are limits to freedom of expression, that some things cannot be said without consequence.
Perhaps if they addressed some of the complexities of this situation in an interview, putting their statements and subsequent treatment into context while defending their right to call out genocide, it might clear the air and garner wider support for Kneecap to perform as scheduled this summer.
What I don’t think helps them - or any of us who wish to engage in debate around highly contentious issues - is a blanket demand that artists be allowed to say whatever they want to say, without consequence.
We live in a time when acting with impunity is celebrated by people who believe that physical strength, unprecedented wealth, popular acclaim or technological nous gives an individual the right to do whatever they want. Yet freedom, and your ability to enjoy it, relies on no one being above the law. Liberty, the right to express yourself in word and deed, is not in and of itself enough to constitute the state of being free, for, without equality, liberty is nothing more than privilege. And, as our American cousins are discovering to their cost, liberty without accountability is tantamount to tyranny."
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zebthecat wrote: ↑01 May 2025, 20:10honky cat" wrote: ↑01 May 2025, 19:36 More interest in these plums than the spurs game.
Middle class stage school types causing faux outrage.Their promotional strategy is straight out of the Malcolm McLaren playbook and it certainly works.
That's what a fool believes.
Oh wait, McLaren? Ok, forget it.
Oh wait, McLaren? Ok, forget it.
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honky cat" wrote: ↑01 May 2025, 19:36 More interest in these plums than the spurs game.
Middle class stage school types causing faux outrage.
Their promotional strategy is straight out of the Malcolm McLaren playbook and it certainly works.
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They’ve been criticised for shouting “up the Hamas”.
But are we sure they’re not just big West Ham fans with a hefty Irish twang?!
But are we sure they’re not just big West Ham fans with a hefty Irish twang?!
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Weller has signed an open letter of support for them, saying politics shouldn't get in the way of artists being able to play gigs/festivals.
Unless you have different political opinions to him, of course.
Unless you have different political opinions to him, of course.