The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[twoleftfeet]

Starmer said it’s only fair that those that are paying in ie taxes etc etc should have the right to have a say in how the country is run.

So does that mean that those on benefits shouldn’t? As far as I’m aware they don’t pay in.

[Massive Attack]

[Lee Trundle]

1 in 1 out.

[Massive Attack]

We did know the identity. He was a Welsh Choirboy!

[violator]

Looks like the government is going ahead with its intentions to lower the voting age to 16

So we weren't allowed to know the identity of that cսnt who butchered the kids in Southport because he wasn't yet 18, but 16 year olds are allowed to vote in the GE...

[XKhammer]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c39zy4107mko

Couldn't make it up...maybe he's after all the millons the Nigerians are waiting for us to claim 

[Massive Attack]

Impressionable youngsters these days are more likely to vote for Farage than Starmer, so to coin a phrase...

Be careful what you wish for. 🗳

[Lee Trundle]

They're certainly doing everything possible to try to stay in power.  How long before all these Afghans are allowed to vote?

[dm]

Looks like the government is going ahead with its intentions to lower the voting age to 16

[Lee Trundle]

Land Rover axe hundreds of jobs.

[Massive Attack]

He's not wrong though.

[Hello Mrs. Jones]

Nutsin...posting Bill Maher videos..really? I wouldnt go down that rabbit hole if i were you. 

[Fauxstralian]

The rise in inflation should see interest rates go up
Have a cash ISA maturing in October so up to about 8% would do the trick. Just in time for the protected balance on deposits going from £85,000 to £100,000 on Dec 1st as well

I see Trump reckons this whole Epstein thing is ‘a hoax’.
Guess the next executive order will be the release of Ghislaine Maxwell

[Nutsin]

[goose]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4g89vqp8p4t

UK inflation going up again, especially on food.
Rachel from accounts raises employer NI contributions then acts surprised when it gets passed on to consumers.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

David LAMMY has just handed Singapore, the 4th richest country in the world, £70m for their green energy push.

Agreed its the same when we'd give India a whole load of aid for their health and education while India spend billions on their space agency and nuclear missiles. We've started to move away from that with a focus more on private finance investments. 

[BillyJenningsBoots]

No, I'm done because we are going around in circles. We have both said that individual states have their biases depending on how that statee votes.


Do you agree that getting men out of women's sport is a good thing?

Agreed

Do you agree that securing the Southern border in the USA is a good thing?

Agreed - however wasnt it Biden who tried to get a bi partisan border security bill thru that the Republicans voted out. Context is everything and Trump saw the issue as an election winner. No good if the problem was already solved.

Do you agree that people will no longer be taxed on their tips they receive at work is a good thing.

Agreed - however the pennies saved pale in comparison to the billions the rich will save via the big ugly bill and the cost for those falling off medicaid eligibility.

Do you agree that DOGE have done a good job, saving the American tax payer millions in needless expenditure?

No I cant say theyve done that much. By all accounts promising $2tn savings and getting nowhere near and spending an absolute fortune. Will be interesting to see what they spent and what they saved. None of it was fraud as it was all voted for by congress.

That'll do for a start, feel free to highlight any failures by the Trump govnmt since Jan, there's obviously been a couple.

Tarrifs are his one trick and are a joke. The guy is a flat track bully put him at the head of any other country and he wouldn't have a  chance. He has no clue about the histiry of how tarrifs were used and their impact. How effective they were we will only know once its all settled down but dont bank on it being positive it might make the deficits worse yet.
Markets manipulated by him and his cronies are profiting. Not a good look at the very least. Inflation promises are yet to be impacted by his tarrifs but could well be a lot worse to come rather than the promised "end" of inflation.
Unlawfully Commercialising the Presidency with the watch, phone etc is a disgrace. But then without thise funds his own business would go bust by all accounts.
No peace as promised in Ukraine. Im glad he's finally realised Putin is not to be trusted but jeez how dumb was he to think he could.
Trump should come down harder on Netanyahu - 50k dead is just horrific but Trump could encourage him to stop if he wanted to.
His promise to rid America of gangs, rapists and murderers was a good one. However turning his attention to "illegals" as criminals so quickly and publicly rounding them up on the streets and at work is not what the public were expecting and smacks of a nazi police state.

I could go on.

But nice to have an intelligent exchange rather than Nutsack going all MAGA!

 

We both agree individual states have their biases. Hiwever you fail to agree that the nationwide polls that overlook the state biases show that he's underwater across the board. Even if you found a nationwide poll that showed him above water his numbers are still slipping. 

See above

[Lee Trundle]

David LAMMY has just handed Singapore, the 4th richest country in the world, £70m for their green energy push.

[only1billybonds]

No, I'm done because we are going around in circles. We have both said that individual states have their biases depending on how that statee votes.


Do you agree that getting men out of women's sport is a good thing?

Do you agree that securing the Southern border in the USA is a good thing?

Do you agree that people will no longer be taxed on their tips they receive at work is a good thing.

Do you agree that DOGE have done a good job, saving the American tax payer millions in needless expenditure?

That'll do for a start, feel free to highlight any failures by the Trump govnmt since Jan, there's obviously been a couple.

 

[BillyJenningsBoots]

OK, I'm done now, we both agree that certain states will show bias towards their favoured politician(s).
But just take a look at the big cities that are democratic run. Do you really think thecwholevof America would be in a better shape were the entire country to follow that blueprint?
Come on, put your TDS to one side for a second and reply honestly or not at all. 

Done because you lost the argument  
Im unsure of your point as I dont live in a US city? But if you explain what you mean maybe I can understand this particular argument.

[only1billybonds]

OK, I'm done now, we both agree that certain states will show bias towards their favoured politician(s).
But just take a look at the big cities that are democratic run. Do you really think thecwholevof America would be in a better shape were the entire country to follow that blueprint?
Come on, put your TDS to one side for a second and reply honestly or not at all. 

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Like I said, red states will favour  a republican president.

Florida is among 27 states where Trump has received a net positive approval rating. His best ranking is in Wyoming, where 67% of voters approve of his performance, Morning Consult data shows. His worst ranking is in Vermont, where 64% disapprove of how he is handling his job.


 

State based polls are clearly going to show the extremes based on the voting of those states. All the nationwide average polls see him negative I believe.

https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-appr ... r-bulletin

https://eu.phillyburbs.com/story/news/2 ... 612261007/

Find a nationwide poll that shows him positive you wont be able to so give it up!

[only1billybonds]

Like I said, red states will favour  a republican president.

Florida is among 27 states where Trump has received a net positive approval rating. His best ranking is in Wyoming, where 67% of voters approve of his performance, Morning Consult data shows. His worst ranking is in Vermont, where 64% disapprove of how he is handling his job.

 

[Nutsin]

[BillyJenningsBoots]

BJB

Sorry to keep to you waiting, I've had my grandson here but rest assured,next time he asks for a sleepover,I'll put him off as i have to stay glued to my phone all weekend in case you need a reply.

OK, well the example you posted is from a solid blue state which of course is going to be anti red, regardless who the leader is and the reverse is true.
The long and short of it is that Trump got elected because the alternative was unthinkable. The dems continue to be a train wreck and Trump can be as unlikeable as you want, he's still a better choice than his last opponent.

 

no polls that you can come up with not even one!! 

Yep the Dems are a train wreck. They should be out there debunking Trumps bullshit and defending the US people from his authoritarian rule!