Graham Potter

[stubbo]

https://www.whufc.com/news/graham-potte ... head-coach

​​​​​​In the past he's favoured a 3-4-3 formation...hard to see how we can do that currently with only 3 senior CBs, one of whom is injured. He's also played wingers (Solly March as an example) in the wing back roles.

Typically when a 3-4-3 gets announced on a match day the manager is immediately described as being too negative, too cautious etc. I guess it depends on the composition of the 4.

He's given young players chances...hopefully that continues at West Ham.

Welcome Graham.

 

[Massive Attack]

This next week feels highly important, even though it's extremely early in to a new season. We have Chelsea at Home on Friday, Wolves Away Tuesday with Forest Away on Sunday (no shit Craig David jokes please) as the window closes before a 2 week breather.

If Potter is going to remain in position, it feels like we'll need to get at least a point at Home and win against Wolves to stay in the Cup. Anything less, considering he enjoyed the longest Pre-season that any Manager has ever had doing an awful job auditioning since January, it should be terminal for him. I do emphasise the should as he kept his job much to the surprise of many at the end of the season, so they could continue with him regardless. 




 

This is why that cup draw was so shit. We could really have done with a home tie to a lower division club just to get a bit of confidence into the team. Wolves also have their problems but this isn't going to be a fun trip. Especially if Sullivan will only pay for the Flixbus from Stratford to Wolverhampton bus station as he's so skint.

The way I look at it and hopefully Potter does as well, is see it as the perfect challenge to embrace and begin a momentum by winning the Tie. Instead of wishing for an easy ride to make things more comfortable temporarily, use the opportunity to ignite the season by placing a marker down beating them. That's how you start something for people to get behind. 

[El Scorchio]

This next week feels highly important, even though it's extremely early in to a new season. We have Chelsea at Home on Friday, Wolves Away Tuesday with Forest Away on Sunday (no shit Craig David jokes please) as the window closes before a 2 week breather.

If Potter is going to remain in position, it feels like we'll need to get at least a point at Home and win against Wolves to stay in the Cup. Anything less, considering he enjoyed the longest Pre-season that any Manager has ever had doing an awful job auditioning since January, it should be terminal for him. I do emphasise the should as he kept his job much to the surprise of many at the end of the season, so they could continue with him regardless. 



 

This is why that cup draw was so shit. We could really have done with a home tie to a lower division club just to get a bit of confidence into the team. Wolves also have their problems but this isn't going to be a fun trip. Especially if Sullivan will only pay for the Flixbus from Stratford to Wolverhampton bus station as he's so skint.

[Massive Attack]

This next week feels highly important, even though it's extremely early in to a new season. We have Chelsea at Home on Friday, Wolves Away Tuesday with Forest Away on Sunday (no shit Craig David jokes please) as the window closes before a 2 week breather.

If Potter is going to remain in position, it feels like we'll need to get at least a point at Home and win against Wolves to stay in the Cup. Anything less, considering he enjoyed the longest Pre-season that any Manager has ever had doing an awful job auditioning since January to assess everything, it should be terminal for him. I do emphasise the should as he kept his job much to the surprise of many at the end of the season, so they could continue with him regardless. 


 

[THUNDERCLINT]

I don't think we'd be any better off. Dyche didn't exactly work miracles at Everton, and achieved the same outcome as Lampard. Had Everton kept him in place after the takeover, they'd have remained in and around the drop zone. 

COCK PISS as Potter's now know (cheers MA), is pony, but he's not worse than Dyche. 

Erm, point of order. I christened him cock piss.

Erm,point of out of order.You have christened a few cocks

That was actually relevant, witty and showed the possibility it was posted by a sentient, intelligent lifeform.

Clearly it was written by the disabled,pre-pubescent child your currency grooming.

[XKhammer]

This isn't me wanting him, but Sean Dyche would be better for us than Potter.

I don't think we'd be any better off. Dyche didn't exactly work miracles at Everton, and achieved the same outcome as Lampard. Had Everton kept him in place after the takeover, they'd have remained in and around the drop zone. 

COCK PISS as Potter's now know (cheers MA), is pony, but he's not worse than Dyche. 

Erm, point of order. I christened him cock piss.

Erm,point of out of order.You have christened a few cocks

[THUNDERCLINT]

 

This isn't me wanting him, but Sean Dyche would be better for us than Potter.

I don't think we'd be any better off. Dyche didn't exactly work miracles at Everton, and achieved the same outcome as Lampard. Had Everton kept him in place after the takeover, they'd have remained in and around the drop zone. 

COCK PISS as Potter's now know (cheers MA), is pony, but he's not worse than Dyche. 

Erm, point of order. I christened him cock piss.

[southbankbornnbred]

Southbank. No problem, the “if executed well” bit is the question I guess? We dont have the players for it but would Potter be able to execute his ( arguably past its sell date version of Pep’s controlled possession game)  well if he did? Doesnt look like it after what 8 months? but I suppose “you should give him the chance” is one school of thought or he it coukd be said he was never given the full “toolset” to be certain. Or alternatively you take the view that you are certain he cannot and never will “execute it well” even if he gets all the players ( with the correct profile )  he needs ( centre mid legs etc).  I mentioned on another thread that Im thinking ( hoping ) this 5 at the back is a sticking plaster for not having those right profile players in central midfield ( the tools ). But like I say, its hope, i could well be wrong.  

Moreover, he aint going in the next 2 weeks so may as well give him the “tools” he needs ?

Cheers, Alfs.

Totally respect your point of view, fella, even if I do disagree. I just don’t see it - anything - in Potter.

He’s our manager, so I always want him/us to do well. But, genuinely, I’d be surprised if he’s here in February.

But I’m not falling out with our fans. We’re the ones who constantly get shat on, from a great height, by this club’s ownership. And that’s been the case since the days of the bond scheme and long before.

One day, we’ll get the ownership this club deserves. Or something closer to it!

[Sir Alf]

Southbank. No problem, the “if executed well” bit is the question I guess? We dont have the players for it but would Potter be able to execute his ( arguably past its sell date version of Pep’s controlled possession game)  well if he did? Doesnt look like it after what 8 months? but I suppose “you should give him the chance” is one school of thought or he it coukd be said he was never given the full “toolset” to be certain. Or alternatively you take the view that you are certain he cannot and never will “execute it well” even if he gets all the players ( with the correct profile )  he needs ( centre mid legs etc).  I mentioned on another thread that Im thinking ( hoping ) this 5 at the back is a sticking plaster for not having those right profile players in central midfield ( the tools ). But like I say, its hope, i could well be wrong.  

Moreover, he aint going in the next 2 weeks so may as well give him the “tools” he needs ?

[El Scorchio]

Yup- anything that keeps his grubby hands on the prize for even a few moments longer, despite the consequences further down the road.

[Mike Oxsaw]

..."and save Sullivan's bacon a year or two longer."...

THIS is all it's about - Sullivan rubbing shoulders with football's elite; nothing more, nothing less.

For some, they'll have long stopped minting pennies before one of them drops for them.

[El Scorchio]

He would go back to a Moyes style of setting up and playing which would likely mask the deficiencies of the players we have but ultimately wouldn't help us progress at all- rather just regress.

Would be another short sighted appointment and any players he buys will be 'experienced' campaigners and grafters/shithouses placing us just back in the same old mess we already are at the end of the season. All it'll do is prolong the agony and save Sullivan's bacon a year or two longer. We'll still be a bottom third club playing prehistoric low block football and circling the drain.

It may keep us up short term, but it'll do so much harm long term. If we are in deep trouble come Christmas and Potter goes then it's probably worth a punt until the end of the season, but it would HAVE to come with a parting of the ways at the end of it and FULL commitment from the board to bring in the right man to actually take us forward and back him 100% with the necessary funds and his own choice of players. Will never fucking happen though. If it happened we'd just give him a two year deal and a modest budget plus some Sullivan shit which comes with brown envelopes, clogging up the squad with more older, limited players.

I'd almost rather we just went down and done with it and Sullivan fucked off leaving a completely fresh slate. We will never prosper while that megalomanic is keeping us chained in the dark ages in every aspect of being a football club. It's not even hard to get out of this mess- just look at what half the division is already doing. It isn't even expensive. It just requires hiring a few decent people and letting them get on with it. 

[Pub Bigot]

And if Sullivan does decide that Potter isn't the right man for the job, his first choice will be Sean Dyche, who is a pound shop version of Allardyce and Moyes. 

This isn't me wanting him, but Sean Dyche would be better for us than Potter.

I don't think we'd be any better off. Dyche didn't exactly work miracles at Everton, and achieved the same outcome as Lampard. Had Everton kept him in place after the takeover, they'd have remained in and around the drop zone. 

COCK PISS as Potter's now know (cheers MA), is pony, but he's not worse than Dyche. 

[Lee Trundle]

And if Sullivan does decide that Potter isn't the right man for the job, his first choice will be Sean Dyche, who is a pound shop version of Allardyce and Moyes. 

This isn't me wanting him, but Sean Dyche would be better for us than Potter.

[Massive Attack]

Potter looks doomed 

The squad is a mix of at least three different managers teams, so any manager who comes in is going to have to patch them up again. And if Sullivan does decide that Potter isn't the right man for the job, his first choice will be Sean Dyche, who is a pound shop version of Allardyce and Moyes. 

The future looks very bleak while the midget and the Joker run the club. 

Which was my point I raised on another thread about a total lack of continuity regarding constantly turning over managers. Say we do ditch COCK PISS right now, it'll then be FOUR managers in a short space of time pissing around with the puzzle pieces having to jam the rectangles in to triangular holes until their fingers bleed. Then we all wonder why the Team/Defence/Midfield/Attack all look disjointed to fuck all the time.

[Pub Bigot]

Potter looks doomed 

The squad is a mix of at least three different managers teams, so any manager who comes in is going to have to patch them up again. And if Sullivan does decide that Potter isn't the right man for the job, his first choice will be Sean Dyche, who is a pound shop version of Allardyce and Moyes. 

The future looks very bleak while the midget and the Joker run the club. 

[southbankbornnbred]

Fair post, Alfie.

But, serious question, rather than a narky one: why do you think any Potter team would typically get into the top half of the Premier League table using his tactics? He's achieved it once in his entire career in England.

It was an outlier year for Brighton when they finished 9th under him. His other seasons there were around 14th/15th etc. He even managed Chelsea to 12th place, despite spending a fortune.

He's massively, epically over-rated on the back of one decent season, which he has never looked like repeating. As a marker, Glenn Roeder once finished 7th - a higher finish than Potter has ever, and will ever, achieve.

[Sir Alf]

He ihas 2 players of his choice in the team. He has not “retooled” to play his controlled possession tactics. Now my opinion is that those tactics are now “past their sell date” in the Premier Lwague but executed well should still see a team in the top half. But ypu need the right type or profile of players to do it and we have a “half baked” versiin in that respect. We cannot progress the ball thru the 2nd third of the pitch due to the obvious “legs” / pace etc issues in midfield but we also lack a quick, strong central striker and a dominant CB aerially who is also  blessed with some pace.  

I do not believe Sullivan will get the 2 players in central midfield that Potter and Macaulay specify. We might get one in but expect him to again be the wring profile. 

Pottet looks doomed but I would say he is not the biggest reason we are struggling and repkacing him even with Iraola from BMouth ( Sullivan wont because he says “he doesnt believe in paying for managers” a bit like a Jehova refuses to take life saving drugs. But point is Iraeola wont be successful either and may not improve us much either.

Our recruitment and lack of planning is leaving us 29-30 years behind. Its all diwn to Sullivan. These threads are futile. “The fish rots from the head” perfectly describes our problem and why all energy has to be directed at making the Sullivan family uncomfortable and forced to sell.  May not work but at least its directing frustration at the root cause. Inundate Talksport with calls but it needs fans who are level headed, calm and reasonably articulate. And talk to Simin Jordan, he’s the one who has Sullivans number. Talk about why we are the only club without a DOF, antiquated training ground, appalling recruitment etc and a chairman who refuses to step aside. The intent on Sullivans part is not the issue. He wants success but his issue is one that all failed companies have “ability to execute” because you need a plan, joined up thinking, executives m, professionals in place, state of art ( not the arc ) scouting network and data analytics but all mapping to a long term plan that alliws young players to be acquired and / or develioped and some for profit that is so good it bridges the gap to the rich 6.  

Sullivan is our nemesis!!

[southbankbornnbred]

Potter won't last the season.

It just isn't going to happen. He's another hugely over-rated "modern" manager who had one decent finish (9th) with Brighton, which landed him the Chelsea job he botched within weeks. He's clueless, tactically inflexible, and obsessed with possession to the point where it kills any attacking intent. A possession-based side playing five at the back, with two deep-lying midfielders in a low block: it's easy to pass the ball along your back line of eight (including the keeper) people sitting inside your own half.

His teams have absolutely no bite, or tempo, whatsoever.

But under Sullivan, we won't appoint the manager the club and its fans deserve. More likely we'll struggle until Christmas, when Sean Dyche will be asked to rescue us - and he'll fail, but keep the job in the Championship "because he has only been in the job for a few months, these aren't his players and he hasn't had a pre-season..."

[Mex Martillo]

Yes, we really had come to an end with Moyes. He was a good manager, but last 18 months were dire and no signs that it was going to improve. It felt all wrong. Lopetegui was the mistake, he was a odd manager all over the shop. Potter is a bit of a return to safety type Moyes, but isn't going well so far. I am happy to give him another half season to prove himself.

[Swiss.]

All of football criticised us for wanting rid of Moyes, it looks like they were right.

We've been through this so many times now.
Sacking Moyes wasn't the issue.
It's who we have appointed since that has put us where we are.

It's not sacking Moyes in January 2023 when he wouldn't sign the new contract offer and us going on a down hill spell from then on. 

[scott_d]

All of football criticised us for wanting rid of Moyes, it looks like they were right.

We've been through this so many times now.
Sacking Moyes wasn't the issue.
It's who we have appointed since that has put us where we are.

[Far Cough UKunt]

We’ve had three Chelsea frauds now. Fucking bin the cսnt.

Mourinho next then

What's Tommy Docherty up to?

[Sydney_Iron]

See him apologising and saying it wasn’t good enough against Sunderland, no shit Sherlock

Expecting another humiliation against Chelsea at home and can see the atmosphere in that game being very toxic, no surprise Mr Crab is bookies favourite to win the sack race..,,,

[Massive Attack]

20 matches - 10 losses - 25% win ratio

I’m not here defending Potter, he’s on last legs, but you’ve got some fucking front with this nonsense given how much of a hard on you had for Lopetegui and how much you were backing him after marginally better stats of 9 losses in 20, and a little over 30% win ratio ffs

You must have seen something different in us getting comfortably beaten by absolute shit like Leicester to what you do now! Fair play.

Don't let cold facts hurt your feelings, Ron. It's the worst managerial win rate we've ever had. It didn't work out with Lopetegui and now we are lumbered with a clown doing even worse. Smart move going for a renowned loser, yet many were lapping him up as a breathe of fresh air.

[honky cat]

We’ve had three Chelsea frauds now. Fucking bin the cսnt.

Mourinho next then