West Ham vs Spurs | PL | 13.9.25 | Predictions and Match Thread

[stubbo-admin]

With the 'interesting' football hiatus that International Football brings, figured I'd get this match thread up.  The result against Forest makes this game in some ways less significant (as the clock will have been reset on Potter's tenure) but also more interesting as there is a modicum of form to take into the game.

Fullkrug should obviously never be allowed on international duty again, what with it being an injury magnet for him, but that aside, as of now there are no new injuries.  Rumours of a Summerville injury also appear unfounded.

So from a lineup perspective, I'm expecting something like:

Hermansen

Walker-Peters  Mavropanos   Kilman   Diouf

Ward-Prowse Magassa

 Bowen     Soucek   Fernandes

Paqueta

Subs: Areola, Wan-Bissaka, Todibo, Igor, Rodriguez, Irving, Guilherme, Summerville, Willson

Left out: Earthy, Marshall, Potts, Scarles.
Prediction: 1-2 Spurs (Muani, Kudus;  Bowen for us)

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[El Scorchio]

Gotcha- cheers

[BRANDED]

In real time from behind the goal their header seemed like a load of fucking cսnt.

Seeing it again it was the build up and the pass that led to an excellent, if not perfect header. I think I would love to see us do something similar. 

[El Scorchio]

The sending off was what killed the game. It wasn't necessarily over at 0-1 although we were on the ropes. You're never out of it 0-1, but we're dodgy enough with 11 men. 10 is a backbreaker for us.

Agree the first half or at least the first 30 mins was something to build upon. There's definitely room for improvement in midfield and up front assuming Potter is sensible enough to play both the new boys in the middle of the park. The worry is fixing the shamble we seem to have become at the back and from set pieces.

I agree - with 11 men we would have at least got a draw. A more lenient and fair referee cost us that game and it was his decision alone that killed us.

[Central Park Man]

The sending off was what killed the game. It wasn't necessarily over at 0-1 although we were on the ropes. You're never out of it 0-1, but we're dodgy enough with 11 men. 10 is a backbreaker for us.

Agree the first half or at least the first 30 mins was something to build upon. There's definitely room for improvement in midfield and up front assuming Potter is sensible enough to play both the new boys in the middle of the park. The worry is fixing the shamble we seem to have become at the back and from set pieces.

I agree - with 11 men we would have at least got a draw. A more lenient and fair referee cost us that game and it was his decision alone that killed us.

[Tomshardware]

The thing is, if we had this result and had better results with Potter over the last 8 months I’d have just written it off. Bad day at the office. I actually commented at the end of the 1st half that we actually looked like a normal top flight team in that 1st half. By that I mean I’ve seen good teams not at it on the day be beat back by the opposition but defend ok and manage to keep themselves in the game etc. it seemed normal. But the second half was just more of the same. 

The problem is when will Potter turn the corner convincingly? Is that even possible? This result in context just looks like he doesn’t know what he’s doing at all. It makes the Forest result look fortunate rather than planned. 

I don’t hate the guy. I just feel it’s like a bad relationship. It’s obviously not working out. I can’t see it ever will but I would have loved to be proven wrong. 

I think I posted at the beginning of the season that managers don’t suddenly change their form from one season to the next. It normally just more of the same. Seems the case is true here. 



 

 

 

We were in the game but well under the cosh, amount of corners given away in itself should have been enough to urge Potter to change things at half time.  System and players wasn't working, Soucek and JWP passengers and redundant, Paqueta not working up the pitch. Their first goal is basic poor marking.  But someone in that team should have spotted Sarr alone but didn't.   

[El Scorchio]

The sending off was what killed the game. It wasn't necessarily over at 0-1 although we were on the ropes. You're never out of it 0-1, but we're dodgy enough with 11 men. 10 is a backbreaker for us.

Agree the first half or at least the first 30 mins was something to build upon. There's definitely room for improvement in midfield and up front assuming Potter is sensible enough to play both the new boys in the middle of the park. The worry is fixing the shamble we seem to have become at the back and from set pieces.

[threesixty]

The thing is, if we had this result and had better results with Potter over the last 8 months I’d have just written it off. Bad day at the office. I actually commented at the end of the 1st half that we actually looked like a normal top flight team in that 1st half. By that I mean I’ve seen good teams not at it on the day be beat back by the opposition but defend ok and manage to keep themselves in the game etc. it seemed normal. But the second half was just more of the same. 

The problem is when will Potter turn the corner convincingly? Is that even possible? This result in context just looks like he doesn’t know what he’s doing at all. It makes the Forest result look fortunate rather than planned. 

I don’t hate the guy. I just feel it’s like a bad relationship. It’s obviously not working out. I can’t see it ever will but I would have loved to be proven wrong. 

I think I posted at the beginning of the season that managers don’t suddenly change their form from one season to the next. It normally just more of the same. Seems the case is true here. 
 

[El Scorchio]

Seems like a great goal to me. If we'd scored it we'd be ecstatic. Re the keeper?

Who knows. Ask a keeper.

Oh, and it was a " long ball" over the top. 

What I mean is should he have saved it or got a hand to it? I sit at the other end and it didn't look good from there in that respect. I couldn't really tell how far out of his goal he was etc. and how looping the header was

[BRANDED]

Seems like a great goal to me. If we'd scored it we'd be ecstatic. Re the keeper?

Who knows. Ask a keeper.

Oh, and it was a " long ball" over the top. 

[El Scorchio]

We got pushed back more and more conceding loads of corners. Bearing in mind that has been our weakest area it WAS only a matter of time. Their second goal was ( spits ) superb even if we did make mistakes. 

Mostly we didnt keep putting pressure on them and that was worse after the sending off. 

We desperately need more energy and power.

I haven't watched it again- should Hermansen have done better with the header or was it just out of reach for any keeper?

Agree about starting decent but just getting pushed back. They noticeably started pressing a lot more after about half an hour which put us under pressure. We didn't crumble like we always did last season but it had an effect. With Fernandes and Paqueta we do have some cleverness and movement in the middle now to beat the press with a few tidy passes and it happened a couple of times and we do have a few out balls with Summerville on (some decent play down the left with him and Diouf a few times) But it was clear Soucek and JWP simply can't last the pace in a competitive midfield.

IF we'd have played an actual striker up front it would have helped the rest of the team immeasurably. (Marshall not even making the bench with Fullkrug injured (and why was he on the bench if he wasn't coming on?) was mental- I don't understand Wilson not starting unless it was going to cost us 100K and Sullivan said he can't - in which case the deal is even fucking dumber than it already seems. He's fucked his own club right over yet again this summer in the striker position. Why is Wilson here if he doesn't even start when Fullkrug cannot? And WHY doesn't Marshall get a sniff if the others aren't good to go?
Paqueta wouldn't have been in this silly false nine position which he kept having to drop back from anyway and he'd have been able to help a lot more in midfield.

Put your best players in their best fucking positions. We'd have fared better I reckon with Wilson or Marshall up front, Paqueta, Fernandes and Magassa in the middle. Centre back is just a lost cause until January.

[BRANDED]

We got pushed back more and more conceding loads of corners. Bearing in mind that has been our weakest area it WAS only a matter of time. Their second goal was ( spits ) superb even if we did make mistakes. 

Mostly we didnt keep putting pressure on them and that was worse after the sending off. 

We desperately need more energy and power.

[Central Park Man]

Don't know if it got mentioned but that ball boy MOTM for mugging Kudus off.

Yep I agree, probably runied Kudus weekend!

[El Scorchio]

Don't know if it got mentioned but that ball boy MOTM for mugging Kudus off.

[nychammer]

All I am seeing on this forum is a load of over reaction.

If it wasn;t for the sending off we would have at least got a draw. In the first half we were the way better side and should have had a penalty.

The sending off was dubious to say the least and that's what changwed the game.

Everyone please calm down as Potter will come good.

 

 

The sending off was about as nailed on a red card as you will ever see but i dont  think it was going to change the result. 

Yes we shone at times in the first half but the warning signs were there. A goal from a corner that should have stood and we looked vulnerable every time a ball was crossed in and within a minute of the restart so it came to pass, a goal coming from poorly defending a corner. it just got worse from there

[Maverick180180]

I think Broadmoor need to do a head count 

[Central Park Man]

All I am seeing on this forum is a load of over reaction.

If it wasn;t for the sending off we would have at least got a draw. In the first half we were the way better side and should have had a penalty.

The sending off was dubious to say the least and that's what changwed the game.

Everyone please calm down as Potter will come good.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Don't know why we didn't go in for Dawson?

[gpike]

We really are a bunch of Pussy's at the back. Think Mav has scored one goal with his head and Kilmen always goes up for corners and gets nowhere near any of them.

My conclusion  is that they need a manger who can motivate them to stick their head in where it hurts Ala Dawson or fuck them off for someone who will. Same goes for their collective defending at the back

 

[El Scorchio]

What really fucks me off is most teams know a good cdm is one of thr most important positions on the pitch.  We had rice and that carried us for a long time.  Alvarez did OK in his first season then fell off a cliff (mainly due to attitude)

Who was our cdm yesterday?  Neither jwp or soucek fit that role

It’ll be magassa within a game or two. It has to be. He showed like Fernandes more in a short spell after he came on and before I left the ground than the others showed in 20 matches. It HAS to be him Fernandes and Paqueta. I simply won’t understand Potter doing anything else unless something utterly mystifying is happening in training compared to matches. 

What is becoming an utterly bizarre loyalty to JWP is going to cost him his job. (Unless buying Hermansen does it first) I understood it last year to an extent because there were basically no credible alternatives between players who were shit or had downed tools and he was arguably the most reliable of a bad bunch but you can’t pick a player just because they are the ‘model pro’ or ‘first in and last out’ if that’s the case. We need the most talented players playing and that was muddy as to who it was last season. It’s clear it’s Magassa and Fernandes. I also don’t understand how Potts is just being completely ignored now after preseason. 

Id have more sympathy for the manager if I understood what he’s trying to do with his team selections in midfield or striker, but I just don’t half the time. Or like last season when he just had dross to pick from in midfield. Well now he’s got a couple of decent looking players at his disposal. 

I can’t get on him too much about central defence seen as none of those players are his fault and all Sullivan did was get in a Brighton reserve player. He’s saddled with absolute stinking shit at that position. He’s gone to a back four like everyone was baying for and they were still fucking awful. When a player you didn’t even trust to put on in a bad team last season above past it full backs at CB becomes your starter by default, you’re in big big trouble. Todibo will go the way of Aguerd and Alvarez. He just seems lazy unwilling and malevolent. Mav will go when someone half decent signs. Kilman, well he’s a stinking floater we won’t be able to flush for almost six more years. We are FUCKED at centre back. Need two starting quality players in January. 

Sullivan out. This is all his mess and poor decisions cone to a head. 

The only conclusion I can come to with JWP's selection is set pieces,  which is just odd as I can't remember the last time we scored from any set piece.   

Must be. But as you say we don’t score from corners or free kicks anyway so what’s the point? If he’s starting over Magassa and Fernandes in a months time then I shall be utterly baffled. 

[El Scorchio]

The potts thing is as baffling as it is stupid.  Why play him all pre season then completely blank him.  Especially for jwp/Rodriguez (soucek is a different type of player so gets a pass on that... to a degree)

Frankly id have steve potts back instead of those 2 clowns.

You say (as do us all) that he HAS to play fernandes and mugassa.... but id put money on crab pass mcslow still starting

And regarding the defence bizarrely mavrapanos seems to be our best centre back right now.  Again id rather steve potts was there

Kilman is dogshit
Todibo's attitude is beyond awful
Mavrapanos positional sense is non existent

Let's hope igor isnt quite as bad

I want my CBs to win headers and tackles not glide around doing step overs. If that means Mavropanos and Igor then so be it.

Yeah. The trouble is Mav is pretty much just as shit as that as the others. And being ‘least shit’ as something still means he’s shit. Which he is. 

[twoleftfeet]

The potts thing is as baffling as it is stupid.  Why play him all pre season then completely blank him.  Especially for jwp/Rodriguez (soucek is a different type of player so gets a pass on that... to a degree)

Frankly id have steve potts back instead of those 2 clowns.

You say (as do us all) that he HAS to play fernandes and mugassa.... but id put money on crab pass mcslow still starting

And regarding the defence bizarrely mavrapanos seems to be our best centre back right now.  Again id rather steve potts was there

Kilman is dogshit
Todibo's attitude is beyond awful
Mavrapanos positional sense is non existent

Let's hope igor isnt quite as bad

I want my CBs to win headers and tackles not glide around doing step overs. If that means Mavropanos and Igor then so be it.

[Tomshardware]

What really fucks me off is most teams know a good cdm is one of thr most important positions on the pitch.  We had rice and that carried us for a long time.  Alvarez did OK in his first season then fell off a cliff (mainly due to attitude)

Who was our cdm yesterday?  Neither jwp or soucek fit that role

It’ll be magassa within a game or two. It has to be. He showed like Fernandes more in a short spell after he came on and before I left the ground than the others showed in 20 matches. It HAS to be him Fernandes and Paqueta. I simply won’t understand Potter doing anything else unless something utterly mystifying is happening in training compared to matches. 

What is becoming an utterly bizarre loyalty to JWP is going to cost him his job. (Unless buying Hermansen does it first) I understood it last year to an extent because there were basically no credible alternatives between players who were shit or had downed tools and he was arguably the most reliable of a bad bunch but you can’t pick a player just because they are the ‘model pro’ or ‘first in and last out’ if that’s the case. We need the most talented players playing and that was muddy as to who it was last season. It’s clear it’s Magassa and Fernandes. I also don’t understand how Potts is just being completely ignored now after preseason. 

Id have more sympathy for the manager if I understood what he’s trying to do with his team selections in midfield or striker, but I just don’t half the time. Or like last season when he just had dross to pick from in midfield. Well now he’s got a couple of decent looking players at his disposal. 

I can’t get on him too much about central defence seen as none of those players are his fault and all Sullivan did was get in a Brighton reserve player. He’s saddled with absolute stinking shit at that position. He’s gone to a back four like everyone was baying for and they were still fucking awful. When a player you didn’t even trust to put on in a bad team last season above past it full backs at CB becomes your starter by default, you’re in big big trouble. Todibo will go the way of Aguerd and Alvarez. He just seems lazy unwilling and malevolent. Mav will go when someone half decent signs. Kilman, well he’s a stinking floater we won’t be able to flush for almost six more years. We are FUCKED at centre back. Need two starting quality players in January. 

Sullivan out. This is all his mess and poor decisions cone to a head. 

The only conclusion I can come to with JWP's selection is set pieces,  which is just odd as I can't remember the last time we scored from any set piece.   

[Mad Dog]

The potts thing is as baffling as it is stupid.  Why play him all pre season then completely blank him.  Especially for jwp/Rodriguez (soucek is a different type of player so gets a pass on that... to a degree)

Frankly id have steve potts back instead of those 2 clowns.

You say (as do us all) that he HAS to play fernandes and mugassa.... but id put money on crab pass mcslow still starting

And regarding the defence bizarrely mavrapanos seems to be our best centre back right now.  Again id rather steve potts was there

Kilman is dogshit
Todibo's attitude is beyond awful
Mavrapanos positional sense is non existent

Let's hope igor isnt quite as bad

[El Scorchio]

What really fucks me off is most teams know a good cdm is one of thr most important positions on the pitch.  We had rice and that carried us for a long time.  Alvarez did OK in his first season then fell off a cliff (mainly due to attitude)

Who was our cdm yesterday?  Neither jwp or soucek fit that role

It’ll be magassa within a game or two. It has to be. He showed like Fernandes more in a short spell after he came on and before I left the ground than the others showed in 20 matches. It HAS to be him Fernandes and Paqueta. I simply won’t understand Potter doing anything else unless something utterly mystifying is happening in training compared to matches. 

What is becoming an utterly bizarre loyalty to JWP is going to cost him his job. (Unless buying Hermansen does it first) I understood it last year to an extent because there were basically no credible alternatives between players who were shit or had downed tools and he was arguably the most reliable of a bad bunch but you can’t pick a player just because they are the ‘model pro’ or ‘first in and last out’ if that’s the case. We need the most talented players playing and that was muddy as to who it was last season. It’s clear it’s Magassa and Fernandes. I also don’t understand how Potts is just being completely ignored now after preseason. 

Id have more sympathy for the manager if I understood what he’s trying to do with his team selections in midfield or striker, but I just don’t half the time. Or like last season when he just had dross to pick from in midfield. Well now he’s got a couple of decent looking players at his disposal. 

I can’t get on him too much about central defence seen as none of those players are his fault and all Sullivan did was get in a Brighton reserve player. He’s saddled with absolute stinking shit at that position. He’s gone to a back four like everyone was baying for and they were still fucking awful. When a player you didn’t even trust to put on in a bad team last season above past it full backs at CB becomes your starter by default, you’re in big big trouble. Todibo will go the way of Aguerd and Alvarez. He just seems lazy unwilling and malevolent. Mav will go when someone half decent signs. Kilman, well he’s a stinking floater we won’t be able to flush for almost six more years. We are FUCKED at centre back. Need two starting quality players in January. 

Sullivan out. This is all his mess and poor decisions cone to a head. 

[El Scorchio]

Central park, were you watching a different game to me?

We were OK for abut 20 minutes then the noteh london scum gradually become the dominant team.  Their first one should have stood.  And that wasn't a penalty when someone touched paquetas back.  He always falls over fat too easily and refs dont give him much.

the sending off for me was a booking at most.  But i still think im watching 80s /90s football.  You go in studs up and catch the player, refs these days will send you off for that.

We were fucking shit, and I sadly cant see much changing any time soon.  Especially with midfield with 2 out of  jwp / soucek/rodriguez every fucking week.

Bollocks

He's just a Spurs fan/troll on a pure wind up. Suspect his time left on this site in this current guide will be....short.

You can just ban the username though.