West Ham vs Palace | PL | 20.9.25 | Predictions and Match Thread

[stubbo-admin]

Well, after the false dawn of Nottingham Forest, and coming crashing back down to earth against Palace, we sit 4 defeats from 5 for the season so far. 

Potter is under increasing pressure (despite the usual 'we back the manager' horse shit from the Club) and it's clear that "contingency plans" are being established, with a series of uninspiring names being thrown into the public domain....Bilic, Dyche, Nuno, O'Wall...the real next level fraternity of the Football Manager commuity.

With protests planned before the game (see here for details if you want to join) it will undoubtedly be an interesting atmosphere at the toilet bowl.

This looks like a bad game to run into at this juncture, with the Nigels being proficient at corners, and having concended only once all season.  Only a win is really good enough, but a draw looks like it will buy him a trip to Everton to take on the Moyes millstone which continues to sit heavily round the necks of West Ham.

If Potter has a brain, he'll go not just for the win in this game, but for some vibes as well, with a selection that at the very least inspires interest. Unfortunately I suspect JWP is first name down, Hermansen continues his demonstration of why you don't stick a midget in goal, and Summerville misses out.

Wan Bissaka is out with a nasty case of the shits, Soucek starts the three game ban, but other than that we're expected to be at "full strength".  No doubt there'll be a temptation to look to match up the Palace formation with a return to 3 at the back, but it feels this would be a mistake.

Predicted Lineup:

Hermansen

Walker Peters;   Mavropanos;    Kilman;     Diouf

JWP;   Magassa;

Bowen;         Paqueta;         Fernandes

Wilson;

Subs:  Areola, Todibo, Igor, Scarles, Irving, Rodriguez, Summerville, Guilherme, Fullkrug

Predicted outcome: West Ham 0 - 2 Crystal Palace (Mateta 2)

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WHU: 21/10
Draw: 23/10
Palace: 7/5

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[Pav BML]

Was so bored in the first half I genuinely lost interest watching it. Kilman is a disgrace of a defender, manages to give away a corner when he heads in directly back into the danger area under no pressure at all. Then promptly gets bullied a minute later for the goal. Coward of a player. Diouf and KWP only players to come off with any credit. The JWP love-in is just ridiculous now, at least he's been taken off some of the set pieces with Diouf looking better. What a terrible bench, why couldn't Marshall be on there to come on? They actually put a 2nd striker at 2-1 up and we put on a DM?? Now we're effectively saying we can't win our next two games so let's just throw them and give a new manager an easier first game. It all just defies logic. We need to go and get a proper leader in January. What I'd give to see someone like Scott Parker in there right now

[Rossal]

First half is as bad as anything i've seen over there over the years. Did we have a shot? Every time we did something good or made some ground it just went backwards or forwards moments later. Wharton must of made more forward passes on his own than our whole team put together did. Wharton and Guehi were very good for me, Guehi isnt that big but is aggresive, great in the air and reads the game well.  

Whatever Potter said to them at half time worked (for once) and at 1-1 thought we looked more likely to go on and win the game. Then we give a goal away out of nothing and we just don't have enough about us to get back into games. 

Bowen is a great player but there is no leadership there at all. He should not be captain unfortunately. I have no idea who should, but Bowen is not that leader that the team needs. 

Thought Wilson was terrible, Magassa I called it.....bang average. JWP and Kilman are championship players at best.  Diouf played well, he looks a great find. 

I just don't see this team scoring enough goals to stay up, there isnt enough creativity or finishing power to score 2/3 goals in some games. 

[John Drake]

Although Potter still has a slightly better win percentage than Avram Grant, he has the worse lose percentage (52.1%) than any other West Ham Premier League manager

[Massive Attack]

Sounds about right at the Circus Big Top. Wankers.  

[Council Scum]

My boy went up with his girlfriend yesterday but were running late. Went to usual gates to get in with his season ticket and was told he couldn’t come in that way. He asked why and they surrounded him asking if he’d been to the protest and that’s why he was late. He said he hadn’t and it was fuck all to do with them. He went round to other gate he was told to go too and they wouldn’t let him in for being abusive to the other stewards that stopped him going in.

He’s done with it over there now. 

[stubbo-admin]

He’s just an extremely poor manager and tactician.

His teams sit too deep, and he’s scared - so he puts too many players behind the ball constantly. It means his passing options are either sideways or backwards, and his teams have toothless possession in harmless areas of the pitch.

His midfield is too slow and pondersome, and too easy to cover. Players are actively discouraged from breaking opposition lines, because he’s so cautious that he’d rather maintain a body count behind the ball.

His teams lack tempo and intensity, and play in one gear. His one striker is often too isolated and too far from either a deep-sitting midfield or “wide” men. So the moment the striker picks the ball up, he is surrounded by opponents and has few, if any, outlets. The situation is worse when it’s Fullkrug because he’s immobile and his second touch is often a header.

His central defenders can’t defend open play or set pieces. It’s a situation made worse when it’s Kilman because he can’t run, tackle, head or jump.

His best goalkeeper is probably a 40-year-old we just re-signed after Potter initially released him. Despite spending £18m on his own choice of keeper this summer. So you have to question his judgement on players, too.

Graham Potter is a mess of a manager. Out of his depth and out of ideas. He will be sacked within days. Everybody, including his talentless chairman, has seen enough.

The worst manager I’ve ever seen at West Ham - including Glenn Roeder and Avram Grant. At least Roeder gave us a 7th placed season before relegation. This guy would deliver relegation in his first full season. He’s fucking useless.

Agreed with all of this.

[gpike]

JWP as usual was terrible today. He offers nothing with the ball and is so slow and light weight. However my worst performance of the day goes to Mav what a shit footballer. Directly at fault for the winner as he could not get his fat head in the right position to flick the ball for a corner. He is crap in the air and more then once at  corners leaps under the ball so it sails over his head. 
Kilmen is as soft as butter so between the two of them we are so weak at the back. Pity as the fall back positions are looking better now .

[southbankbornnbred]

He’s just an extremely poor manager and tactician.

His teams sit too deep, and he’s scared - so he puts too many players behind the ball constantly. It means his passing options are either sideways or backwards, and his teams have toothless possession in harmless areas of the pitch.

His midfield is too slow and pondersome, and too easy to cover. Players are actively discouraged from breaking opposition lines, because he’s so cautious that he’d rather maintain a body count behind the ball.

His teams lack tempo and intensity, and play in one gear. His one striker is often too isolated and too far from either a deep-sitting midfield or “wide” men. So the moment the striker picks the ball up, he is surrounded by opponents and has few, if any, outlets. The situation is worse when it’s Fullkrug because he’s immobile and his second touch is often a header.

His central defenders can’t defend open play or set pieces. It’s a situation made worse when it’s Kilman because he can’t run, tackle, head or jump.

His best goalkeeper is probably a 40-year-old we just re-signed after Potter initially released him. Despite spending £18m on his own choice of keeper this summer. So you have to question his judgement on players, too.

Graham Potter is a mess of a manager. Out of his depth and out of ideas. He will be sacked within days. Everybody, including his talentless chairman, has seen enough.

The worst manager I’ve ever seen at West Ham - including Glenn Roeder and Avram Grant. At least Roeder gave us a 7th placed season before relegation. This guy would deliver relegation in his first full season. He’s fucking useless.

[stubbo-admin]

He genuinely believed we attacked well in the 1st half. We managed only ONE weak effort at goal in the entire first 45 minutes as the Home side.. 



Geezer's in cloud cuckoo land. 

Potter's teams have struggled to create chances and score goals throughout his time. This isn't a one off. 

[Massive Attack]

He genuinely believed we attacked well in the 1st half. We managed only ONE weak effort at goal in the entire first 45 minutes as the Home side.. 



Geezer's in cloud cuckoo land. 

[aldgate]

potter realistically had to win today to save his job
he played ward prowse
he played that nonsensical sideways/backwards "play from the back possession football"
he didn't sort out the set piece defending
he kept ward prowse on for the whole game
he dropped pacqueta to centre back when we were 2-1 down


any one is a sackable offence - all 5 his contract should be ripped up


 

[Alfs]

Who would of thought on the 7th June, 2023, that in four years time we would be preparing to play in the same league as Wrexham?

[Sydney_Iron]

Didn't watch and don't intend watching any "highlights" no surprise at the result and just gave it a shrug.

We are a shit team playing in a soulless arena, run by incompetents.

[aldgate]

I’m sure even the dullards on match of the day tonight will highlight what a tactical shit show that was today by potter 

[Massive Attack]

My gut feeling is Nuno will be the one to turn us down if he was a guest of the Club watching today's events panning out. Would he really fancy walking into a disaster zone with Protests regularly popping off left and right both inside and outside the Stadium?

It's going to be a factor for managers running their rule over the Club in It's current state. 

That meeting in Theydon could have been more to do with Sullivan trying to woo Nuno in to becoming manager more than the other way around.

Not sure I agree with that, Massive. I can’t see Nuno turning it down unless another club gets in first.

He’d have nothing to lose - and everything to gain - here. He’d be able to say he took over with the club already in the relegation zone, and with fans protesting etc. if he then keeps us up, he’s a hero. If he then relegated us, he can say he did his best but the place was a shitshow when he arrived.

It’s a free hit for whichever manager takes the job.

The bigger issue is to make sure it’s offered to somebody with a fighting chance of making it work. I’m not a massive fan of Nuno, but he’s an upgrade on Potter. Will that be enough?

If both his Agent and himself have paid close enough attention they'd soon realise that this aint just a fanbase protesting because the latest manager is shit. This clearly goes way further than that with the fans vocally wanting the Board removed be it at the Stadium today, Talksport/phone-ins, the Press now red hot on reporting it all, Sky Sports News, pundits regularly discussing it. We are not a Club that screams stability which will put off decent suitors.

So Nuno will have to calculate whether it's worth the agg working under that back-drop if the fans are going to be constantly on the Boards case to leave anyway. We're assuming he'd definitely take it. He may do, but he will have to take all that in to account and I'm not sure many managers would fancy it. Plus managing in a controversial Shithole Stadium where for the past 10 years near enough everyone has struggled with it with high profile coverage. 

The other sticking point will be contract length and value of his contract having moronically committed to giving Potter a laughable 2 and a half year lucrative contract. Sullivan won't straight away sanction a fat contract for Nuno because of it.

I personally don't think he'll fancy it and fair play if he does.

[southbankbornnbred]

Prepare for Moyesball 2.0 if it is Nuno. He does like to sit deep and counter. And he will be less worried about possession for the sake of possession.

If it works, though, great.

[southbankbornnbred]

My gut feeling is Nuno will be the one to turn us down if he was a guest of the Club watching today's events panning out. Would he really fancy walking into a disaster zone with Protests regularly popping off left and right both inside and outside the Stadium?

It's going to be a factor for managers running their rule over the Club in It's current state. 

That meeting in Theydon could have been more to do with Sullivan trying to woo Nuno in to becoming manager more than the other way around.

Not sure I agree with that, Massive. I can’t see Nuno turning it down unless another club gets in first.

He’d have nothing to lose - and everything to gain - here. He’d be able to say he took over with the club already in the relegation zone, and with fans protesting etc. if he then keeps us up, he’s a hero. If he then relegated us, he can say he did his best but the place was a shitshow when he arrived.

It’s a free hit for whichever manager takes the job.

The bigger issue is to make sure it’s offered to somebody with a fighting chance of making it work. I’m not a massive fan of Nuno, but he’s an upgrade on Potter. Will that be enough?

[Massive Attack]

My gut feeling is Nuno will be the one to turn us down if he was a guest of the Club watching today's events panning out. Would he really fancy walking into a disaster zone with Protests regularly popping off left and right both inside and outside the Stadium?

It's going to be a factor for managers running their rule over the Club in It's current state. 

That meeting in Theydon could have been more to do with Sullivan trying to woo Nuno in to becoming manager more than the other way around.

[RootsRadical]

Nuno got Forest & Wolves into Europe playing effective counter attacking football. Did no worse at Spurs than anyone else did at the time including Mourinho & Conte.
Won the league & cup in Saudi.
Were Forest boring to watch? Not at all, quite the opposite in fact.

I'd take him in a heartbeat.

[Keep dreaming]

I'm not looking forward to a new manager under Sullivan. Im actually not looking forward to anything while Sullivan is connected to West Han.
A new manager means deflection of guilt. The only guilty here is Sullivan.

Fuck off

[62Hammer]

Can't get excited about having Nuno as our next manager. Anything's better than Potter though. Can we not get a manager in who can give us some decent football to watch? No, seems to be the answer, so Premiership survival it is. Again.

[aldgate]

He played Paqueta at centre half at 2-1 down at home. And Paqueta was our best defender 

[Vexed]

Is he still here? Why?

Can only think that we haven't got an agreement with Nuno yet. Cunts. Hurry up. I dont want to see this fucking sap Potter in his Next fucking geography teacher range boring cսnt clothes standing there fucking clueless mentally spending the money he made last time he got employed as a professional useless cսnt. What a business model he has though. Be useless, get paid. 

[honky cat]

[quote=GBHammer63 post_id=485230 time=1758389916 user_id=17837]
Sullivan continues to spaff up the wall Kretinsky’s investment, he should be fucking livid. Should pull his finger out of his arse and have a major say in who’s appointed next because sure as eggs is eggs I don’t trust Sullivan and Brady to get it right. If Nuno’s Sullys choice I can’t say I’m encouraged.
[/quote]

Im sure kretinsky could have the pair of them 'offed' if he was that livid. Its all a strange carry on. For a while i've thought that "'something" is going on,  its like theyre treading water waiting for a buyer/takeover. 
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[Texas Iron]

Barrow Boy Ownership…Chairman who thinks he is  Football Manager…

Arrogant Word Salad Vice Chairman …Part Time role running hthe club…

1000 word Bullshit Letter to Fans… Insult to all Supporters…

Hope they lose Millions…