Arsenal vs West Ham | PL | 4.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread

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WHU: 16/1
Draw: 6/1
Arsenal: 2/9

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Predicted LineUp:

Away at Arsenal...we've won the last two encounters...so are due a shellacking.  They've strengthened notably this season, as well as being on form.  That said, we'll clearly play on the counter and expect out line up to largely be the same as for Everton.

Areola

KWP   Mavropanos   Kilman   Diouf

Fernandes    Magassa   Paqueta

Bowen   Fullkrug   Summerville

 

Subs: Hermansen, Igor, Scrales, Irving, Potts, Rodriguez, Marshall, Guilherme, Wilson

Predicted Score:
Arsenal: 2
West Ham: 0

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[El Scorchio]

Kudus wanted out. No european football. Not the player he was when he first arrived.



 

I suspect Kudos really wanted out because he realised Sullivan wouldn't build a (winning) team around him, but rather expected him to carry a bang-average (i.e.cheap) squad along the path (to PL survival).

See:

1. Rice,
2. Payet
3. Any other outstanding player we've had during Sullivan's fiefdom. Much rather cash in on their brilliance than build on it.

And just the general shit show from start to finish of last season.
One thing though, I expect the clubs who didn't enter the 'expected bidding war' for him will be a little annoyed they missed out on a decent bargain. As ever though it's West Ham who are the biggest losers under our clown of a ringmaster running this circus for the way he 'orchestrated'* this whole episode.


*made an almighty fuck up from start to finish

[Massive Attack]

I was happy to see Marshall make his debut but I must admit I was surprised to see him put him on first before Wilson. I'd have preferred it if he put him on for Fullkrug with half hour to go then Marshall after that at some point as well for Summerville. 
 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Kudus wanted out. No european football. Not the player he was when he first arrived.

 

I suspect Kudos really wanted out because he realised Sullivan wouldn't build a (winning) team around him, but rather expected him to carry a bang-average (i.e.cheap) squad along the path (to PL survival).

See:

1. Rice,
2. Payet
3. Any other outstanding player we've had during Sullivan's fiefdom. Much rather cash in on their brilliance than build on it.

[threesixty]

Conceding 3 away to Sundeland and then under Nuno getting a point away to Everton and conceding 2 away to Arsenal

Diouf is a 20-year-old work in progress and relatively new to the Premier League. Getting Marsall on instead of Wilson and Potts getting himself established bodes well for the future

What future? It's a results game. Marshall was on a hiding to nothing, it should have been Wilson on. 

You bed players in when a game is won or no chance of winning, not at 1-0 we needed Wilson on.

If you want to give Nuno a chance, great, but it wasn't a good day on Saturday and Paqueta stunk the place out, again. He should have been hooked. 

 

 

I think he brought on Marshall because he wanted pace that runs in behind their defenders. So we had an outlet. So in that regard he was the right choice just that he doesn’t have the experience. Why not put the kid on against a top quality side to learn something,  but one we are not expected to win so it doesn’t fuck the kids brain? 

I don’t know what you actually learn about anyone when a game is won tbh. It’s better than nothing but I don’t think it adds as mich as a truly competitive situation. 

The problem sometimes with us is we get excited about beating an arsenal or Liverpool cos you get to have “bants” with work colleagues etc.  but I’d rather we beat Sunderland than Arsenal. Beat the teams you’re meant to beat not random top sides who have off days. 

it’s like Arsenal fans moaning about not beating Man City when in the season they will fuck up against Bournemouth or Brentford.  It’s just meaningless in the grand scale of things. 

Just my two cents. 

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

He was the same player, just not playing in the same position. Last season he only started 6 games on the right. 3 of those we were on a hiding to nothing vs Chelsea, Man City & Liverpool. He got assists in 2 of the other 3. 

Even if he was played in his normal position he was never going to fare too well under managers who just want to pass the ball back and forth rather than play direct at goal. That's why he was good under Moyes and will be under Thomas Frank as well unfortunately.

 

[greenie1]

Kudus wanted out. No european football. Not the player he was when he first arrived.
 

[El Scorchio]

Whenever we're toothless in a game it's always Paqueta's fault, he was no worse than Bowen or anyone else Saturday. I get the frustration because we've all seen him be brilliant against Forest... But how can he move the ball on quickly when there's nothing on and if he does and it doesn't come off he's accused of playing a Hollywood pass. 

Kudus is a brilliant player also and he kept running down blind alleys, losing the ball and turning back to his own goal for us.. Because he often had nothing to hit and was doubled and often trebled up on. He was also forced out of the club and to them. 

Get these vile cunts away from our club or at least pressure them into doing a better job and then maybe Nuno who is a decent manager can get our better players playing to their potential. 

How many players leave us to look better elsewhere. 

And if spurs sold Kudus in January, they'd make a big profit on him already, such was the absolute fuckwitted way Sullivan went about essentially giving the guy away.

[Council Scum]

Conceding 3 away to Sundeland and then under Nuno getting a point away to Everton and conceding 2 away to Arsenal

Diouf is a 20-year-old work in progress and relatively new to the Premier League. Getting Marsall on instead of Wilson and Potts getting himself established bodes well for the future

What future? It's a results game. Marshall was on a hiding to nothing, it should have been Wilson on. 

You bed players in when a game is won or no chance of winning, not at 1-0 we needed Wilson on.

If you want to give Nuno a chance, great, but it wasn't a good day on Saturday and Paqueta stunk the place out, again. He should have been hooked. 

[fraser]

Whenever we're toothless in a game it's always Paqueta's fault, he was no worse than Bowen or anyone else Saturday. I get the frustration because we've all seen him be brilliant against Forest... But how can he move the ball on quickly when there's nothing on and if he does and it doesn't come off he's accused of playing a Hollywood pass. 

Kudus is a brilliant player also and he kept running down blind alleys, losing the ball and turning back to his own goal for us.. Because he often had nothing to hit and was doubled and often trebled up on. He was also forced out of the club and to them. 

Get these vile cunts away from our club or at least pressure them into doing a better job and then maybe Nuno who is a decent manager can get our better players playing to their potential. 

How many players leave us to look better elsewhere. 

[Westham67]

Conceding 3 away to Sundeland and then under Nuno getting a point away to Everton and conceding 2 away to Arsenal

Diouf is a 20-year-old work in progress and relatively new to the Premier League. Getting Marsall on instead of Wilson and Potts getting himself established bodes well for the future

[Sir Alf]

Paqueta gives it away too much and wants / needs too much time on the ball in advanced positions. He plays his best football, as he did at Lyon, as a deeper lying number 8. I wonder if he should switch with Fernandes who is the better ball carrier and moves the ball much quicker and less inclined to attempt the “Hollywood” style flicks and tricks? 

[GBHammer63]

Out of the two I wanted to keep Kudus and sell Paqueta who is vastly overated whilst we could after his lengthy issues regarding the betting scandal. Kudus could be worked on under the right manager and be more consistent whereas Paqueta often flatters to deceive. Paqueta and Fullkrug were the ones to sell in the Summer, not Kudus. 

 

 

Agreed that Paqueta has been frustrating but think it’s unfair to judge him when there’s so little movement in front of him, he’s not in the Brazil team by accident and has proven he has what’s needed, would like to see how either of the Callum’s do up front with Bowen and Jimmy, Paqueta would then have the movement that Fullkrug lacks- so long as Bowen and Jimmy aren’t helping out our defence that especially centrally isn’t good enough, which then requires the help of our wide defenders, which then results in Bowen and Jimmy forced back.
How many times in training do you reckon Nunos shouted to Kilman and Mavro “just head the cսnt”?

Were fucked ain’t we?

[El Scorchio]

Sullivan was always pushing someone out the door this summer. He made it perfectly clear. Seen as it couldn’t be Paqueta it was Kudus. He bent over and lowered his trousers so Levy and the player could take turns dry Fucking him. He made an absolute embarrassing mess of that whole thing by essentially putting up a big neon sign saying ‘we are selling kudus but we are really desperate for money so come and take advantage of us.’ The complete idiot. Kudus acted like a cսnt, mind you, but Sullivan got absolutely schooled. 

And THAT is just one of the many reasons why he’s unfit for the job he’s doing and needs to go. 

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

I think Kudus is a great player but there wasn't much point in keeping him given that he was never going to take Bowen's place on the right and he's mediocre at best on the left. Maybe he could have played as a No 10 but there's not many managers who want that sort of player there, certainly not Potter or Nuno. Just our luck that the two best attacking players we've had since Payet both play in the same position.

[Mex Martillo]

It's annoying we had to sell someone. I wanted to keep them both Kudus and Paqueta, but got the idea we could have, but rules dictated we should sell someone, anyone that would make a small profit to keep the bean counters happy.

[Massive Attack]

Out of the two I wanted to keep Kudus and sell Paqueta who is vastly overated whilst we could after his lengthy issues regarding the betting scandal. Kudus could be worked on under the right manager and be more consistent whereas Paqueta often flatters to deceive. Paqueta and Fullkrug were the ones to sell in the Summer, not Kudus. 

[wils]

The only good thing about that white flag waving tosh was our shape before they scored. Nuno has a lot to do to stop us looking like guaranteed relegation fodder.
And I don't why we have to endure the painfully overrated Paqueta week in week out. When he's not embarrassing this club with his pathetic play acting he's endlessly giving the ball away in all areas of the pitch.
He'd have been dropped months ago at any other club. 





 

 

People said pretty much the same things about Kudus when he was with us. Now he's match winning for Spurs. You can coach decision making, build a team around a player, give them a free role etc.. but actual "skills", you either have it or you dont. Paq has it. Thats why you have to hold on to these players and find a way to get the best out of them. There are a handful of players on earth that can do what Paq can do at this level. We have to persevere with him.

Totally agree with this although Paqueta is a bit of a quandary. As an attacking midfielder his creative stats don't stand up to much, but his work rate does.

As a regular midfielder his progressive stats are exceptional, and his work rate is up there, but his pass completion is poor.

He's not really one thing or the other, but the stats say even when we see him giving the ball away, he wins it back just as much, and he's one of our best players. Of course he has off days, but he's vital to our side as our most progressive central playmaker.

Like binning off Kudus, you sell a guy like that from our current position, and you don't recruit better ...you get a lesser player through the door.

Dunno about this stats perspective. Not questioning the stats themselves, but this poor pass completion being cancelled out by winning possession stat is not a like for like comparison. When you're battling relegation, constantly giving the ball way is going to do you more damage than winning possession is going to help you. If Nuno gets the counter attack working well then maybe that will be different, but while we are a team leaking goals I wouldn't even have him on the bench.

[stubbo-admin]

The only good thing about that white flag waving tosh was our shape before they scored. Nuno has a lot to do to stop us looking like guaranteed relegation fodder.
And I don't why we have to endure the painfully overrated Paqueta week in week out. When he's not embarrassing this club with his pathetic play acting he's endlessly giving the ball away in all areas of the pitch.
He'd have been dropped months ago at any other club. 




 

 

People said pretty much the same things about Kudus when he was with us. Now he's match winning for Spurs. You can coach decision making, build a team around a player, give them a free role etc.. but actual "skills", you either have it or you dont. Paq has it. Thats why you have to hold on to these players and find a way to get the best out of them. There are a handful of players on earth that can do what Paq can do at this level. We have to persevere with him.

Totally agree with this although Paqueta is a bit of a quandary. As an attacking midfielder his creative stats don't stand up to much, but his work rate does.

As a regular midfielder his progressive stats are exceptional, and his work rate is up there, but his pass completion is poor.

He's not really one thing or the other, but the stats say even when we see him giving the ball away, he wins it back just as much, and he's one of our best players. Of course he has off days, but he's vital to our side as our most progressive central playmaker.

Like binning off Kudus, you sell a guy like that from our current position, and you don't recruit better ...you get a lesser player through the door.

[stubbo-admin]

Diouf is obviously not great defensively, but he was up against arguably the best right sided duo in the league, away from home, with Summerville as defensive help. He'll have easier games. At 20 years old, it's no surprise he struggled.

Much better to judge him in the next one now we're defending better as a team.

Diouf's side was where they were engineering their overloads, so we was 2 Vs 1. No real surprise it made him look bad.

[Full Claret Jacket]

Stopped watching at half time so no idea if the second half was any different. I thought we were awful all over the pitch in that first half. It was very Moyes-like. Sitting back, no outlets and pinned in our half. Fernandes caught ball watching for the first and let his man go.
We are a team full of mistakes which is why we are where we are. I hope Nuno can work with this lot and get something out of them but currently we look like a relegation team and are lacking fight. It seems a big ask to expect a few wins from somewhere playing like this. 

[Eerie Decent]

Diouf is obviously not great defensively, but he was up against arguably the best right sided duo in the league, away from home, with Summerville as defensive help. He'll have easier games. At 20 years old, it's no surprise he struggled.

Much better to judge him in the next one now we're defending better as a team.

[Gaffer58]

Dioufs like the majority of fullbacks nowadays, very good at going forward but a lot of questions over his defensive abilities, even Trent has his doubters, Madrid didn’t buy him for his defensive qualities. It’s fine if your playing for someone like Liverpool, Man City who will have  the majority of possession, but where we are at the moment it’s a different thing.

[Tomshardware]

At least there are some measured posts on here.  

[Keep dreaming]

Agree Massive, Diouf had a mare yesterday. 

Apart from that my biggest concern is Magassa, Paqueta and Fullkrug/Wilson.
Unless Sullivan buys quality in Janu, we are doomed

[Massive Attack]

“The start is better defending & being harder to beat”

Yep that was the one positive from yesterday. 

In hindsight, we might have been better starting KWP on the right and AWB on the left for this one.  At this time, with Diouf so young and new to the league, both are better defenders.  Most of our problems came down Diouf’s flank.  But thats hindsight for you

 

 

Dioufs a funny one because I absolutely love what he does going forward but have kittens at times defensively about his game. It strikes me as a potentially quality Wing Back but we don't play that way or have the right Squad to really play that way regularly. So he's a bit of a conundrum for us. Hopefully either his defensive gamw can be worked on or we do somehow adapt more to a wingback set up in time including him. Intrigued to see how it develops..