Arsenal vs West Ham | PL | 4.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread

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WHU: 16/1
Draw: 6/1
Arsenal: 2/9

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Predicted LineUp:

Away at Arsenal...we've won the last two encounters...so are due a shellacking.  They've strengthened notably this season, as well as being on form.  That said, we'll clearly play on the counter and expect out line up to largely be the same as for Everton.

Areola

KWP   Mavropanos   Kilman   Diouf

Fernandes    Magassa   Paqueta

Bowen   Fullkrug   Summerville

 

Subs: Hermansen, Igor, Scrales, Irving, Potts, Rodriguez, Marshall, Guilherme, Wilson

Predicted Score:
Arsenal: 2
West Ham: 0

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[Mike Oxsaw]

Man U and the class of 92 is how a football club should be run. Having homegrown players as the spine of the team is essential for a club like ours to progress.. Then, rather than buying a mediocre journeyman player to fill a gap due to a lack of funding, the list is endless Ings, being one of them, we can buy younger players with a sell-on value. We need a manager with the balls to go with the younger players.

And no, I have not been to a match for many years 

Home grown promotions into the squad means no untraceable brown envelopes.

Boardroom priorities, innit? Trouser 10 grand even if it does cost the club a million or more.

[Westham67]

Man U and the class of 92 is how a football club should be run. Having homegrown players as the spine of the team is essential for a club like ours to progress.. Then, rather than buying a mediocre journeyman player to fill a gap due to a lack of funding, the list is endless Ings, being one of them, we can buy younger players with a sell-on value. We need a manager with the balls to go with the younger players.

And no, I have not been to a match for many years 

[Sir Alf]

Yep the games coming up will answer a few questions not this one. Arsenal are imo the best coached team in the division currently and after 7 games look the best team and squad. Liverpool and Citeh stuttering, and Chelsea a bit hit and miss.  I was watching that Arsenal midfield Rice, Odegard, Eze all rotating positions and Timber and/or Calafiori seamlessly joining them to create a 4 in midfield or attack. Sometimes both Timber and Calafiori joined midfield and with Rice, Eze and Odegard/Zubimendi were all constantly on the move and creating overloads especially on their right. It led to yheir 2 goals and several other chances.  We just couldnt handle it, just like Newcastle struggled with it the week before.  They pressed and. Ounter pressed really well which is why Paqueta in particular struggled. And we had less than 2 weeks with Nuno.  Really hard to guage much from this game except they have better players in a lot of positions who all know their job.  Their squad also affords them a quality back up on every position now.  Injuries are what has caused them problems in past seasons but I suspect that womt this year and unless there is a big improvement from other teams I think this is their season to win the title sad to say

Us? We still dont have a fully balanced, quality first 11 and our squad is threadbare to say the least. A target man/ striker is a priority along with a central midfielder and another CB just to have a complete first 11 and a little bit of depth.  

One of a few things that stood out for me was Fernandez role. He is not really a defensive number 8 and at Southampton and for Portugal U21s plays as an attacking no 8 or a no 10. Fernandes showed his inexperience in a defensive sense several times when he lost Eze behind him 2 or 3 times with one occasion leading to their first goal.   I wonder if Nuno will switch Paqueta and Fernandes around? Its why I mention getting Bissouma on loan. He still has a chance if making the WC with Mali I think? And wants to stay in tge Prem so might have an incentive to perform as je just doesnt get games at Spuds this seasonbut Sangare is also a decent shout just that will Forest let him go to a potential struggler like West Ham?  Anyway, with a squad of Paqueta, Magassa, Fernandes, Potts and someone like Bissouma we hopefully have decent centre mid options for most games.  

[Eerie Decent]

He might have watched the 2 games following that, where he was completely ineffective?

Anyway, anyone thinking we're going to sign more central midfielders in January are in the clouds. We need sid defenders and forwards with pace. 

[Massive Attack]

Also, as much as I was impressed by the Wilson cameo against Forest, he was ineffective in his 2 appearances after that.

It really isn't something to go in on any manager about, bringing on Marshall instead of Wilson. No one would have given it to the previous managers about that. Wilson of 5 years ago maybe..

Agreed, we wasn't in the game without Wilson and not sure we would of been in it with him. We were miles off it, and he doesn't have the legs or pace to really change that anymore hence why Newcastle got rid. 

Nuno has obviously realised him and Fullkrug are not the answer so has turned to Marshall. Giving him mins so that he is more ready for the 6 pointers against Brentford and Leeds is fine by me. 

 

 

He couldn't have been paying close enough attention then to the game he last managed against us when Wilson came on and made a difference up top instead of the german Carthorse. I expect Nuno to use all of them after the International break with the run of games we've got coming up that we can attack and pick up some much needed points. 

[Rossal]

I counted Marshall, a half a dozen times harassing the Arsenal defenders. On one occasion he nicked the ball off Gabriel by simply being quick enough to challenge before Gabriel could release it. At another point, he caused one of the Arsenal defenders to pass it off the pitch again simply by being able to press and force them to rush a pass. He got a foot in a couple of times too. Ok overall he was struggling to get much of the ball  but we were as a team simply unable to get or keep it.   Btw, for context,  I watched, the previous weekend, Arsenal restrict Newcastle to 35% possession, away from home, although unlike us Newcastle did manage a half a dozen shots on goal but, like us, they stuck 10 behind the ball for most of the match. Imo Arsenal are the best team Ive seen this season and I suspect they might actually win the title as their squad is the strongest. 

In other words, Marshall will be useful off the bench this season. Will he become a Prem Lge striker? No one knows yet but he has potential I think. He’s strong, aggressive so has a chance but only time will tell. Nuno said he can finish so we can hope.

However, we will need to find a striker in Jan as we cant be relying on Fullkrug who does not look like or indeed has never been a target man that Nuno tends to use in his team ( e.g. Wood and Jimenez etc ).  I also think we  should get another central midfielder on loan like Bissouma who cant get a game at Spurs, as Potts, Magassa, Fernandes are all quite young and inexperienced.  

Agree on the CM.  Diasagree on Bissouma who has an attitute problem.  Really hoping we go back for Sangare at Forest who would be immense for us, although would push Potts and Magassa down the pecking order.

I would hope we prioritise a CB and CF in Jan 

[stubbo-admin]

I counted Marshall, a half a dozen times harassing the Arsenal defenders. On one occasion he nicked the ball off Gabriel by simply being quick enough to challenge before Gabriel could release it. At another point, he caused one of the Arsenal defenders to pass it off the pitch again simply by being able to press and force them to rush a pass. He got a foot in a couple of times too. Ok overall he was struggling to get much of the ball  but we were as a team simply unable to get or keep it.   Btw, for context,  I watched, the previous weekend, Arsenal restrict Newcastle to 35% possession, away from home, although unlike us Newcastle did manage a half a dozen shots on goal but, like us, they stuck 10 behind the ball for most of the match. Imo Arsenal are the best team Ive seen this season and I suspect they might actually win the title as their squad is the strongest. 

In other words, Marshall will be useful off the bench this season. Will he become a Prem Lge striker? No one knows yet but he has potential I think. He’s strong, aggressive so has a chance but only time will tell. Nuno said he can finish so we can hope.

However, we will need to find a striker in Jan as we cant be relying on Fullkrug who does not look like or indeed has never been a target man that Nuno tends to use in his team ( e.g. Wood and Jimenez etc ).  I also think we  should get another central midfielder on loan like Bissouma who cant get a game at Spurs, as Potts, Magassa, Fernandes are all quite young and inexperienced.  

Agree on the CM.  Diasagree on Bissouma who has an attitute problem.  Really hoping we go back for Sangare at Forest who would be immense for us, although would push Potts and Magassa down the pecking order.

[Council Scum]

 

How were we “in the game”?
I think we had about 20% possession and our XG was like 0.3% or something. We hardly had a shot and couldn’t really get out our half most of the match. I think they had a goal disallowed as well. 
I just think there’s a general delusion about our abilities here? 

I trust the managers take on this one tbh 

We were 1-0 down how the fuck were we not in the game? We've never been a possession team. It was a shit decision that is Moyes or Potter had done it, they'd have been crucified on here. 

 

And that is EXACTLY the reason why Moyes and Potter are not here anymore.
You have to have the balls to make long term calls for the benefit of the team and not just for what fans want to see all the time. I’ve long been saying we need to have a plan to bed in youngsters. None of our managers gave a fuck about that, and now they’re not here. Says everything really.

No, Potter isn't here because he didn't get results and wasn't attacking enough, fuck all to do with long term plans and playing youth (He played youth) so that's complete bollocks. 

[Rossal]

Also, as much as I was impressed by the Wilson cameo against Forest, he was ineffective in his 2 appearances after that.

It really isn't something to go in on any manager about, bringing on Marshall instead of Wilson. No one would have given it to the previous managers about that. Wilson of 5 years ago maybe..

Agreed, we wasn't in the game without Wilson and not sure we would of been in it with him. We were miles off it, and he doesn't have the legs or pace to really change that anymore hence why Newcastle got rid. 

Nuno has obviously realised him and Fullkrug are not the answer so has turned to Marshall. Giving him mins so that he is more ready for the 6 pointers against Brentford and Leeds is fine by me. 

[Westham67]

A long-term strategy by building a new team with younger players, looking forward rather than the next game, 

[Eerie Decent]

Also, as much as I was impressed by the Wilson cameo against Forest, he was ineffective in his 2 appearances after that.

It really isn't something to go in on any manager about, bringing on Marshall instead of Wilson. No one would have given it to the previous managers about that. Wilson of 5 years ago maybe..

[Sir Alf]

I counted Marshall, a half a dozen times harassing the Arsenal defenders. On one occasion he nicked the ball off Gabriel by simply being quick enough to challenge before Gabriel could release it. At another point, he caused one of the Arsenal defenders to pass it off the pitch again simply by being able to press and force them to rush a pass. He got a foot in a couple of times too. Ok overall he was struggling to get much of the ball  but we were as a team simply unable to get or keep it.   Btw, for context,  I watched, the previous weekend, Arsenal restrict Newcastle to 35% possession, away from home, although unlike us Newcastle did manage a half a dozen shots on goal but, like us, they stuck 10 behind the ball for most of the match. Imo Arsenal are the best team Ive seen this season and I suspect they might actually win the title as their squad is the strongest. 

In other words, Marshall will be useful off the bench this season. Will he become a Prem Lge striker? No one knows yet but he has potential I think. He’s strong, aggressive so has a chance but only time will tell. Nuno said he can finish so we can hope.

However, we will need to find a striker in Jan as we cant be relying on Fullkrug who does not look like or indeed has never been a target man that Nuno tends to use in his team ( e.g. Wood and Jimenez etc ).  I also think we  should get another central midfielder on loan like Bissouma who cant get a game at Spurs, as Potts, Magassa, Fernandes are all quite young and inexperienced.  

[stubbo-admin]

We were clearly looking for someone who could harrass them when they had the ball, and run the channels for our out ball...both things Wilson can't do. 

I think bringing Marshall on for his pace, movement and relentless sprinting was purely tactical, and you either agree with those tactics or not...but he fits the bill for what was attempted. 

He's obviously no Antonio, but is probably the closest we have to a forward that could chase a lost cause into the channels and try and pressure the backline when on the ball.

[Massive Attack]

It wasn't a binary choice between either Marshall or Wilson coming on, I believed both should have come on in both games and Wilson before Marshall as the proven senior Forward. We only used 3 subs against Arsenal which I thought was a waste of utilising more of the bench for freshness when the Team needed it against such an Arsenal Team so soon off the back of a long away trip up at Everton within the same week as well. Even Arsenal used up all 5 of their subs.

[threesixty]

 

We were still in the game at 1-0 absolutely ridiculous for any manager to think "ah fuck it, best team in the country, we can't win" and Moyes would have been cunted for it. It should have been Wilson. 

 

How were we “in the game”?
I think we had about 20% possession and our XG was like 0.3% or something. We hardly had a shot and couldn’t really get out our half most of the match. I think they had a goal disallowed as well. 
I just think there’s a general delusion about our abilities here? 

I trust the managers take on this one tbh 

We were 1-0 down how the fuck were we not in the game? We've never been a possession team. It was a shit decision that is Moyes or Potter had done it, they'd have been crucified on here. 

 

 

And that is EXACTLY the reason why Moyes and Potter are not here anymore.
You have to have the balls to make long term calls for the benefit of the team and not just for what fans want to see all the time. I’ve long been saying we need to have a plan to bed in youngsters. None of our managers gave a fuck about that, and now they’re not here. Says everything really.

[Council Scum]

Callum Wilson - Injury history | Transfermarkt


Wilson's injury statistic: 29 games missed last season, more than the season before that

This is the difference between tactics and strategy. Bring Wilson on, maybe he scores, we get an improbable draw, bring Marshall on, give a young striker some confidence against a Champions League team and then, unless he gets injured, will be more of an asset throughout the season than Wilson

Heaven forbid we get a draw and a point that moves us up the table and Wilson scores another goal. It's all about Marshall. 

[Council Scum]

 

Nah, I think it’s the job of management to be pragmatic and focused on the long term, realistic achievements and let the fans “dream”. Yes, us fans may think there’s always a chance we will slay the big teams etc. But no one in the actual football industry thinks that and definitely not the bookies!
I’m glad Marshall broke his duck there at the expense of some imaginary point we might have gained. It was worth it for the future of the club. That is good management in my book. Now if Marshall comes on against Brentford he’s not as paranoid because he’s just played well against the best team in the country.,

 

We were still in the game at 1-0 absolutely ridiculous for any manager to think "ah fuck it, best team in the country, we can't win" and Moyes would have been cunted for it. It should have been Wilson. 

 

How were we “in the game”?
I think we had about 20% possession and our XG was like 0.3% or something. We hardly had a shot and couldn’t really get out our half most of the match. I think they had a goal disallowed as well. 
I just think there’s a general delusion about our abilities here? 

I trust the managers take on this one tbh 

We were 1-0 down how the fuck were we not in the game? We've never been a possession team. It was a shit decision that is Moyes or Potter had done it, they'd have been crucified on here. 

[Massive Attack]

100% it should have been Wilson for Fullkrug at only 1-0 behind with Marshall to come soon after that. It was an odd decision. Just as it was that he never brought Wilson on in the game against Everton as well with the game being 1-1, not bringing on either Striker that time.

[Westham67]

Callum Wilson - Injury history | Transfermarkt


Wilson's injury statistic: 29 games missed last season, more than the season before that

This is the difference between tactics and strategy. Bring Wilson on, maybe he scores, we get an improbable draw, bring Marshall on, give a young striker some confidence against a Champions League team and then, unless he gets injured, will be more of an asset throughout the season than Wilson

[threesixty]

Kid comes on in a game we can't win, no pressure to perform, have a go.

Kid comes on, 1-0 down, game can be won, huge pressure to perform. 

Should have been Wilson, poor management. 

 

Nah, I think it’s the job of management to be pragmatic and focused on the long term, realistic achievements and let the fans “dream”. Yes, us fans may think there’s always a chance we will slay the big teams etc. But no one in the actual football industry thinks that and definitely not the bookies!
I’m glad Marshall broke his duck there at the expense of some imaginary point we might have gained. It was worth it for the future of the club. That is good management in my book. Now if Marshall comes on against Brentford he’s not as paranoid because he’s just played well against the best team in the country.,

 

We were still in the game at 1-0 absolutely ridiculous for any manager to think "ah fuck it, best team in the country, we can't win" and Moyes would have been cunted for it. It should have been Wilson. 

 

 

How were we “in the game”?
I think we had about 20% possession and our XG was like 0.3% or something. We hardly had a shot and couldn’t really get out our half most of the match. I think they had a goal disallowed as well. 
I just think there’s a general delusion about our abilities here? 

I trust the managers take on this one tbh 

[Council Scum]

 

I think he brought on Marshall because he wanted pace that runs in behind their defenders. So we had an outlet. So in that regard he was the right choice just that he doesn’t have the experience. Why not put the kid on against a top quality side to learn something,  but one we are not expected to win so it doesn’t fuck the kids brain? 

I don’t know what you actually learn about anyone when a game is won tbh. It’s better than nothing but I don’t think it adds as mich as a truly competitive situation. 

The problem sometimes with us is we get excited about beating an arsenal or Liverpool cos you get to have “bants” with work colleagues etc.  but I’d rather we beat Sunderland than Arsenal. Beat the teams you’re meant to beat not random top sides who have off days. 

it’s like Arsenal fans moaning about not beating Man City when in the season they will fuck up against Bournemouth or Brentford.  It’s just meaningless in the grand scale of things. 

Just my two cents. 

Kid comes on in a game we can't win, no pressure to perform, have a go.

Kid comes on, 1-0 down, game can be won, huge pressure to perform. 

Should have been Wilson, poor management. 

 

Nah, I think it’s the job of management to be pragmatic and focused on the long term, realistic achievements and let the fans “dream”. Yes, us fans may think there’s always a chance we will slay the big teams etc. But no one in the actual football industry thinks that and definitely not the bookies!
I’m glad Marshall broke his duck there at the expense of some imaginary point we might have gained. It was worth it for the future of the club. That is good management in my book. Now if Marshall comes on against Brentford he’s not as paranoid because he’s just played well against the best team in the country.,

 

 

We were still in the game at 1-0 absolutely ridiculous for any manager to think "ah fuck it, best team in the country, we can't win" and Moyes would have been cunted for it. It should have been Wilson. 

[El Scorchio]

We moan when the kids DON'T come on, we moan when they DO come on....

[threesixty]

What future? It's a results game. Marshall was on a hiding to nothing, it should have been Wilson on. 

You bed players in when a game is won or no chance of winning, not at 1-0 we needed Wilson on.

If you want to give Nuno a chance, great, but it wasn't a good day on Saturday and Paqueta stunk the place out, again. He should have been hooked. 

 

I think he brought on Marshall because he wanted pace that runs in behind their defenders. So we had an outlet. So in that regard he was the right choice just that he doesn’t have the experience. Why not put the kid on against a top quality side to learn something,  but one we are not expected to win so it doesn’t fuck the kids brain? 

I don’t know what you actually learn about anyone when a game is won tbh. It’s better than nothing but I don’t think it adds as mich as a truly competitive situation. 

The problem sometimes with us is we get excited about beating an arsenal or Liverpool cos you get to have “bants” with work colleagues etc.  but I’d rather we beat Sunderland than Arsenal. Beat the teams you’re meant to beat not random top sides who have off days. 

it’s like Arsenal fans moaning about not beating Man City when in the season they will fuck up against Bournemouth or Brentford.  It’s just meaningless in the grand scale of things. 

Just my two cents. 

Kid comes on in a game we can't win, no pressure to perform, have a go.

Kid comes on, 1-0 down, game can be won, huge pressure to perform. 

Should have been Wilson, poor management. 

 

 

Nah, I think it’s the job of management to be pragmatic and focused on the long term, realistic achievements and let the fans “dream”. Yes, us fans may think there’s always a chance we will slay the big teams etc. But no one in the actual football industry thinks that and definitely not the bookies!
I’m glad Marshall broke his duck there at the expense of some imaginary point we might have gained. It was worth it for the future of the club. That is good management in my book. Now if Marshall comes on against Brentford he’s not as paranoid because he’s just played well against the best team in the country.,

[Council Scum]

Conceding 3 away to Sundeland and then under Nuno getting a point away to Everton and conceding 2 away to Arsenal

Diouf is a 20-year-old work in progress and relatively new to the Premier League. Getting Marsall on instead of Wilson and Potts getting himself established bodes well for the future

What future? It's a results game. Marshall was on a hiding to nothing, it should have been Wilson on. 

You bed players in when a game is won or no chance of winning, not at 1-0 we needed Wilson on.

If you want to give Nuno a chance, great, but it wasn't a good day on Saturday and Paqueta stunk the place out, again. He should have been hooked. 

 

I think he brought on Marshall because he wanted pace that runs in behind their defenders. So we had an outlet. So in that regard he was the right choice just that he doesn’t have the experience. Why not put the kid on against a top quality side to learn something,  but one we are not expected to win so it doesn’t fuck the kids brain? 

I don’t know what you actually learn about anyone when a game is won tbh. It’s better than nothing but I don’t think it adds as mich as a truly competitive situation. 

The problem sometimes with us is we get excited about beating an arsenal or Liverpool cos you get to have “bants” with work colleagues etc.  but I’d rather we beat Sunderland than Arsenal. Beat the teams you’re meant to beat not random top sides who have off days. 

it’s like Arsenal fans moaning about not beating Man City when in the season they will fuck up against Bournemouth or Brentford.  It’s just meaningless in the grand scale of things. 

Just my two cents. 

Kid comes on in a game we can't win, no pressure to perform, have a go.

Kid comes on, 1-0 down, game can be won, huge pressure to perform. 

Should have been Wilson, poor management. 

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Stubbo, the issue for us fans is that Pacq, though top of the WHU stats, is nonetheless playing well below the level expected by us from him.