As I said Sacking Potter wasn’t the answer

[Prometheus59]

Nuno is even worse 

[Massive Attack]

Think of this in terms of accommodation 

Moyes was a rickety caravan.  When we left that i was hoping for a flat or a house.  No we got lopetegi, a tent.    Potter was cardboard boxes.
what is nuno?  

On the pavement homeless doubled over in a drug induced coma jacked up on spice.

Nuno today on his way to Training..

[Mad Dog]

Think of this in terms of accommodation 

Moyes was a rickety caravan.  When we left that i was hoping for a flat or a house.  No we got lopetegi, a tent.    Potter was cardboard boxes.
what is nuno?  Currently it looks linke weve been tricked into being kidnapped and now in a sex dungeon getting abused.  Fucking inverted fullbacks

[,]

I have not since, Moyes departure, seen a post that would prove to me we’d be better off right now had the Board and Moyes renewed their partnership. You only have to look at the stats, and general game by game  performance, covering the last eighteen months of Moyes’ stewardship to understand how the parting of the ways came about. A vocal  hard core of fans wanted Moyes out come what may and many of the rest of us were prepared to see Moyes leave. 

The point that all of us gloss over is how important the replacement is. We should have been able to recruit a new manager who would first of all get us to defend better, because it was  what worried most of us about under Moyes, and at the same time buy a decent striker.

And here we are now losing ground on the teams above to such an extent that relegation is a probability because we’re still not defending adequately, not creating/scoring sufficiently, being regularly outplayed and, sorry to say, looking badly managed.

[Massive Attack]

Moyes, Lopetegui and Potter all have one thing in common. They each bought - or at least agreed to the purchase of - absolute footballing detritus.

Whilst I understand the argument, the Iraola comparison has no merit - under him they acquired Semenyo, Kluivert, Kerkez, Huijsen, Zabarnyi, Evanilson plus a bunch more this past summer who will no doubt become the next highly saleable assets which of course meant that he has always had the necessary raw materials and the fans have every reason to be enthusiastic



 

Even that can be contested by all 3 to be fair to them knowing how this Club has been operating under Sullivan/Steidten. 

Iraolas comparison of results is a fair one and stand by it. But I do stress that there wasn't any guarantee that Lopetegui could have finally got them going, just we will never know now and we weren't under severe pressure to pull the plug when we did. It should have been left to play out till the end of the season and in the meantime he manages to qualify Qatar for the World Cup against the odds for the 1st time ever in their history even though he doesn't speak their language (because language was such a barrier here apparently..). 

[threesixty]

People are shocked about Nuno because it feels so out of character for Nuno. The last two games do not seem representative of the Nuno everyone has seen working in the PL for years now.
So anyone who is saying “I knew how it would go” with Nuno is talking out of their arseholes.

Nuno was a good choice considering what we all knew.
I have no idea what he is trying to do right now though. I hope there’s some master plan or something or we are slightly fucked.
 

[onsideman]

Moyes, Lopetegui and Potter all have one thing in common. They each bought - or at least agreed to the purchase of - absolute footballing detritus.

Whilst I understand the argument, the Iraola comparison has no merit - under him they acquired Semenyo, Kluivert, Kerkez, Huijsen, Zabarnyi, Evanilson plus a bunch more this past summer who will no doubt become the next highly saleable assets which of course meant that he has always had the necessary raw materials and the fans have every reason to be enthusiastic

 

[Massive Attack]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... q59yx71j2o

[Metroplex]

We basically should’ve kept Moyes.

Do you have amnesia or something?

[Massive Attack]

The same Moyes who has just spent a fortune of over £115M (£97M net) at Everton (an Everton record spend) struggling to score, playing his typical boring dogshit Football that sit 14th and already out the Carabao Cup. Yeah, fuck all would have changed keeping him. 

[Council Scum]

We basically should’ve kept Moyes.

After we won the trophy, Moyes should have been given the same kitty Lop was giving the following season, as always we didn't invest and build on what we had and the rest is history (the same history taht West Ham always have)  

[Mad Ferret]

We basically should’ve kept Moyes.

[Massive Attack]

Frankly, we'd probably be better off if we'd backed and just pushed through with the mental blinking Spaniard.


 

Agreed regarding continuity. What Sullivan and Brady have caused is a totally unnecessary situation all of their own doing by constantly fucking about with it and did warn that this would happen whilst wasting a fuck load of money in doing so. 

My argument at the time about keeping Lopetegui until the end of the season was so he could either finally get us going in both results and style, or to say thanks but no thanks looking elsewhere. It's worth remembering that he wasn't just expected to deliver good results but also a playing style far removed from Moyes one dimensional defensive shit which wasn't going to be a quick fix such had the rot set in that we are still having to deal with.

Sure, if he couldn't achieve it by the end of the season then look to change for a better candidate out there but do so without panicking which is what we did by hiring Potter mid-season at great expense to the Club in money and effort. We were never going to get relegated with the points and position we were comfortably in under Lopetegui st the time who had proven experience of avoiding the drop in the Premier League with Wolves, so it wasn't a serious concern, yet the Club were too impatient for it all to work instantly. 

I referenced at the time that over at Bournemouth where Iraola was afforded the time and space to get them going when first managing them taking an equally long time to get them firing. Once he did though they have turned in to a serious outfit that's doing wonders since being backed when it looked like they could have ditched him which meant none of their success would then follow. Even Glasner at Palace took a while to get going but again once he did finally get his ideas across to the players who were struggling with it to begin with, they too have become equally impressive ever since he first rode out their shit form. 

Now I'm not saying it definitely would have worked out either, just give it the time it needed to see if it could. If it really didn't look like materialising near the end of last season, then ok no real harm done, let's go for another better option under calmer circumstances without making half the waste of cost and panic running through the Club which we needlessly ended up doing which takes us to the present day of an utter shambles. 

Also worth remembering we have had a lot of chefs spoiling the broth all in a short space of time which started with the appointment of Steidten whilst Moyes was still here. The combination of Sullivan, Moyes, Steidten, Noble, Lopetegui, Potter, MacCauley, Nuno has got us to this present shitshow where everything is an absolute desperate mess where fuck all of it makes any sense to the point we are now seriously staring relegation in the face with the Club on the brink as Fans are walking away in our droves understandably fuck off with it all.

Ultimately this is all on both Sullivan and Brady for panicking and wasting millions on their short-termism bullshit management and the sooner they fuck off, the better we will become...

[El Scorchio]

I think Alf, has a template for EVERY post in WHO.

it has to include, speed, stamina and legs in midfield.

fook me; he is boring. 

Not wrong though is he. He's only been going on about it so long because the club have failed to address it adequately for so long under FOUR managers.

[Massive Attack]

Pre seasons mean fuck all other than getting fitness in to players. Results don't mean a Team is in/out of form going in to a new season and shouldn't be taken as any kind of barometer.

It's nice to see a Team perform well against opposition not at full tilt due to protecting themselves from injury but always taken with a heart pinch of salt.

Potter reverted back to his normal type, in fact it got even worse than the season before.

[Fortunes Hiding]

I think Alf, has a template for EVERY post in WHO.

it has to include, speed, stamina and legs in midfield.

fook me; he is boring. 

[BoleynGone]

The thing is with Potter, he had a relatively good pre-season.
His best players were Fulkrug,Bowen,Potts,Fearon and Marshall. He then went on to use JWP,Rodirguez,Soucekand even Irving in midfield with a back 3 conceding to many goals. None of the youth who had played well.


 

[onsideman]

The squad issues are mostly to do with lack of continuity in playing style. If we'd got Nuno in after Moyes and given him the money that's been spent, we'd be in a much better place.

Frankly, we'd probably be better off if we'd backed and just pushed through with the mental blinking Spaniard.

But the sequence of Moyes-Lopetegui-Potter-Nuno, with a liberal sprinkling of Steidten and Sullivan mixed in, has got us to a place where the squad is, understandably, a jumbles up mess who don't know if they're coming or going.

And that is down to a lack of coherent plan and identity, and that is at the feet of our self styled Chairman-cum-Director of Football.

Frankly, as a Club from the perspective of how we've been run we deserve to go down. The fan base don't...but the fan base don't run the Club. But if you get rewarded for doing things in a smart professional way, and get punished if you operate like it's amateur hour, all this is no less than we deserve.

Whilst I broadly agree with this, a lack of continuity in playing style is not an excuse for any of the rank bad recruitment. If it were then the likes of Todibo, Kilman, Rodriguez,  Aguerd, Alvarez etc etc would have plenty of suitors and we wouldn't be stuck with garbage 

[Prometheus59]

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Since the last 18 months of the Moyes stewardship up until now we have not been able to defend effectively. Four managers have failed to stem our rate of goal leakage.

To say sacking Potter was not the answer is avoiding the fact that employing him in the first place was wrong. Potter can be said to have marginally reduced our rate of conceding but the cost of that exercise was to simultaneously reduce our already poor scoring rate.

We need to learn how to defend, so much so that some posters are finding the likes of Dyche acceptable.

[stubbo-admin]

The squad issues are mostly to do with lack of continuity in playing style. If we'd got Nuno in after Moyes and given him the money that's been spent, we'd be in a much better place.

Frankly, we'd probably be better off if we'd backed and just pushed through with the mental blinking Spaniard.

But the sequence of Moyes-Lopetegui-Potter-Nuno, with a liberal sprinkling of Steidten and Sullivan mixed in, has got us to a place where the squad is, understandably, a jumbles up mess who don't know if they're coming or going.

And that is down to a lack of coherent plan and identity, and that is at the feet of our self styled Chairman-cum-Director of Football.

Frankly, as a Club from the perspective of how we've been run we deserve to go down. The fan base don't...but the fan base don't run the Club. But if you get rewarded for doing things in a smart professional way, and get punished if you operate like it's amateur hour, all this is no less than we deserve.

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

Jean Luc, pre season would have been undermined by Sullivan doing most of our transfer business in the last 2 weeks of the window

Not really. It's not all about transfer business. Pre season gives weeks of training and friendly matches to drill the players in whatever style the manager wants to play. 

[Sir Alf]

Jean Luc, pre season would have been undermined by Sullivan doing most of our transfer business in the last 2 weeks of the window

[Sir Alf]

The managers have all been failing but the abomination of a squad has been a huge hindrence. Sullivan has been the architect of this mess.

What Sullivan, no manager, head of recruitment, Tech Director or coach at West Ham has recognised is that speed, athleticism and stamina are now pre requisites for any player in any position in the Prem Lge. Until that is understood or acknowledged, nothing will get better.  It is probably as much a symptom of a club with no longer term plan and tactical identity however. So will likely remain an issue whilst Sullivan is still at the helm

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

I think he means backed as in not sacking him a few games into the season. It was a 2 year "project" apparently. Obviously he's wrong. Potter should have been sacked at the end of the season, given how woeful the results and performances were last year. Then we would have had a new manager who had a pre-season and transfer money to spend to make the transition smoother.

Sully would still have chosen a shit manager no doubt, but we'd have been in a better position.

[Lee Trundle]

It's interesting you think he wasn't backed. 

We paid a million quid to get his bestie from Chelsea, and they then went on to grossly overspend on the players they wanted this summer