As I said Sacking Potter wasn’t the answer

[Prometheus59]

Nuno is even worse 

[Massive Attack]

Was fuck all wrong with Scamacca and Haller. We just managed to berk it up, especially Scamacca who we should have persevered with. I honestly cannot believe we were stupid enough to fuck him off. He could have set us up for years up front building a decent Team around him whilst still having Bowen ratting around him.

He was/is a beast of a Striker that was only just getting going in his career. Helped us win a European Cup in his 1st season in new Country and then instantly helps win a better European Trophy for new lesser Club Atalanta.

We are fucking braindead as a Football Club.

 

Massively agree on Scamacca. It was clear Moyes wasn't using him purposely out of spite. With both he and Haller, they were so poorly scouted as round pegs in square holes for the kind of team we were at the times they joined. You could see glimpses of his quality when he actually go on the pitch. You buy a Scamacca, you have to give them the means to score goals. Sullivan again thinking all strikers are the same and any striker will be able to just do the job required by the manager's tactics rather than understanding if you play a certain way you need a certain kind of striker. I was really hoping we'd just loan Scamacca out and bring him back after Moyes left. Great first season back in Italy and then of course did the most West Ham thing ever and did his ACL..

I'll go further. I thought we actually had it right with the bloke who helped bring Scamacca here who has a decent track record in the Prem, Rob Newman getting him from Man City. We then decide to fuck him off for the latest flavour of month, Steidten. Rob Newman helped construct a decent Squad whilst with us and Scamacca was a decent valuation too. Since he left all the divs behind the scenes have since deconstructed our Squad in to the shit tip it now is.

https://www.hammers.news/club-news/sass ... -is-rated/

[El Scorchio]

Was fuck all wrong with Scamacca and Haller. We just managed to berk it up, especially Scamacca who we should have persevered with. I honestly cannot believe we were stupid enough to fuck him off. He could have set us up for years up front building a decent Team around him whilst still having Bowen ratting around him.

He was/is a beast of a Striker that was only just getting going in his career. Helped us win a European Cup in his 1st season in new Country and then instantly helps win a better European Trophy for new lesser Club Atalanta.

We are fucking braindead as a Football Club.

 

 

Massively agree on Scamacca. It was clear Moyes wasn't using him purposely out of spite. With both he and Haller, they were so poorly scouted as round pegs in square holes for the kind of team we were at the times they joined. You could see glimpses of his quality when he actually go on the pitch. You buy a Scamacca, you have to give them the means to score goals. Sullivan again thinking all strikers are the same and any striker will be able to just do the job required by the manager's tactics rather than understanding if you play a certain way you need a certain kind of striker. I was really hoping we'd just loan Scamacca out and bring him back after Moyes left. Great first season back in Italy and then of course did the most West Ham thing ever and did his ACL..

[Mad Dog]

We overpay for most players.  Fernandes is ok. But £40m is too high

Its as if touting that you're desperate and leave things late you get reamed and anyine with a fucking ounce if business knowledge would know that.

shame we dont have an owner that doesn't 

[El Scorchio]

Whisper this quietly, but I'm not convinced we've got value for money for Fernandes either this summer, who was another marquee signing for the manager at the time.

Subsequently 'corrected' by the club to nothing to do with Potter or Macauley in the slightest and everything to do with Maximillian Hahn.

We overpaid given how desperate we were thanks to shocking transfer policy catching up with us, but we're not going to make a huge loss on him unless he goes 'full West Ham' or get relegated and sullivan does another 'bend me over and fuck me dry' like we did with Kudus.

[Rossal]

Was fuck all wrong with Scamacca and Haller. We just managed to berk it up, especially Scamacca who we should have persevered with. I honestly cannot believe we were stupid enough to fuck him off. He could have set us up for years up front building a decent Team around him whilst still having Bowen ratting around him.

He was/is a beast of a Striker that was only just getting going in his career. Helped us win a European Cup in his 1st season in new Country and then instantly helps win a better European Trophy for new lesser Club Atalanta.

We are fucking braindead as a Football Club.

Haller was awful, never seen such a big bloke not use his size or strength so much. Got bullied most weeks, and was far too slow and cumbersome for the premier league. 

Scamacca was a great shame however, fantastic finisher and would only get better. At least for once when selling we got our money back though. 

[Rossal]

Whisper this quietly, but I'm not convinced we've got value for money for Fernandes either this summer, who was another marquee signing for the manager at the time.

 

 

Argued this point at the time. I was bang on, how can one bloke who didnt stand out for the worst prem team ever (yes they were worse than Derby when you look at money spent) be worth 3 times his value in a year ?!

Same for Magassa, bang average who is blocking the pathway for the kids and £15m which could of been spent on a CB. You can't kid the fans and the Monaco fans were not bothered about losing him, said it all. 

Going down the cheap route and replacing Aguerd with a shit loan has also killed us. Igor will be just as pants.  Also said if Potter is doing a back 5 he will need 5 CB's to rotate. Now we are left with 3 shit ones in a team that can't defend. 

We also failed to address the number 10 position. Relying on Paqueta after the season he had last year was mental. Instead of Magassa it should of been a 10 type player to create. 

Not to mention the £15m keeper who is shocking that the GK coach pushed for who we then sacked about a month later anyway 

If we survive this it might top the great escape with Tevez 

[Massive Attack]

Was fuck all wrong with Scamacca and Haller. We just managed to berk it up, especially Scamacca who we should have persevered with. I honestly cannot believe we were stupid enough to fuck him off. He could have set us up for years up front building a decent Team around him whilst still having Bowen ratting around him.

He was/is a beast of a Striker that was only just getting going in his career. Helped us win a European Cup in his 1st season in new Country and then instantly helps win a better European Trophy for new lesser Club Atalanta.

We are fucking braindead as a Football Club.

[twoleftfeet]

Whisper this quietly, but I'm not convinced we've got value for money for Fernandes either this summer, who was another marquee signing for the manager at the time.

Drop Paqueta and stick Fernades in the no 10 role and you will see how good he is.

[Lee Trundle]

Whisper this quietly, but I'm not convinced we've got value for money for Fernandes either this summer, who was another marquee signing for the manager at the time.

[El Scorchio]

In the summer after the final, to replace Rice, we signed Alvarez and JWP for a combined fee of around £65mil

Kilman & Todibo £75mil

Fulkrug & Guilherme around £45mil

I mean, we could go on all day about certain signings, but those 6 players at around £180mil over 2 years.

You just can't recover from constant bad signings, in fact most have been horrendous signings, at those sorts of prices. It's fucking incredible.

To swing and miss on ALL those signings is fucking shocking. The only one who still even has a slim chance of not making a huge loss is Guilherme, and he's sinking without a trace as well. And this is just two seasons. Never mind taking a big hit on Aguerd, Scamacca, Haller and others over the past few years as well. We'd be lucky to recoup half what we spent on the centre backs, a third of what we paid for the midfielders, a quarter of what we paid for Fullkrug, and it doesn't look good for even breaking even on Guilherme.

That list of disaster would be hard for almost any team not named Man City, Man United or Chelsea to recover from.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Brown probably serves cheese platters and makes the tea in the boardroom, the nonentity cսnt.

[Eerie Decent]

In the summer after the final, to replace Rice, we signed Alvarez and JWP for a combined fee of around £65mil

Kilman & Todibo £75mil

Fulkrug & Guilherme around £45mil

I mean, we could go on all day about certain signings, but those 6 players at around £180mil over 2 years.

You just can't recover from constant bad signings, in fact most have been horrendous signings, at those sorts of prices. It's fucking incredible.

[Sweep]

This club's tendency  to sign a lanky lump of a forward with no pace who can't stay fit has happened so often under these owners that it points to them and some sort of preference they're piping into recruitment.

Same with dozy centre backs , almost always from Ligue 1, most of whom don't concentrate. 

And who thought a string of central midfield players who can't sprint/have no acceleration was a good idea?

Someone, above the managers, has got a load of flawed player profiles they keep recruiting for.

[El Scorchio]

Combo I reckon.
Brown wouldn't say anything because he's always been a leech and non entity, and even if he did, Sullivan wouldn't fucking listen because he always knows better. After all, Terry Brown was a BAD owner and Sullivan in his mind is the BEST owner. 

[Massive Attack]

Just to either prove how truly useless Terence Brown was or how pig ignorantly stubborn Sullivan is you would think Brown would have strongly warned Sullivan about wasting a golden opportunity with Rice and the subsequent splurging of all his sale on dross after his disastrous experience doing the same with the Rio money. 

Brown is an "honorary" (hah!) Life President of the Club still on the Board. Those discussions should have been had. But no, either he didn't signal the alarm or Sullivan chose to ignore the warnings and went ahead and fucked it all up anyway.

Either way it just goes to show how jinxed we have been with the worst Chairmen in our history when both times could have been so much different.. 

We never learn our costly lessons as a Club. Always repeating the same God awful mistakes that always set us back and possibly relegation again.

[El Scorchio]

Even that can be contested by all 3 to be fair to them knowing how this Club has been operating under Sullivan/Steidten. 

Iraolas comparison of results is a fair one and stand by it. But I do stress that there wasn't any guarantee that Lopetegui could have finally got them going, just we will never know now and we weren't under severe pressure to pull the plug when we did. It should have been left to play out till the end of the season and in the meantime he manages to qualify Qatar for the World Cup against the odds for the 1st time ever in their history even though he doesn't speak their language (because language was such a barrier here apparently..). 

 

I know we did this to death, but he was never going to turn anything around once he'd bought in Kilman and Rodriguez as well as Soler on loan and agreed to Fullkrug and Todibo. No cսnt could

Those 3 are definitely on Lopetegui and have always been clear on that which are on him. It's the Fullkrugs, Todibos, Mavropanos, Guilherme, Summervilles of the world that I question. They weren't his signings and had to accept the meddling from above when compiling the Squad for what it needed, or was there already before he got here.

 

 

Perfectly highlights what a mess the whole thing is. Some Sullivan players, some Stiedten players, some Moyes players, some Lop players. You cannot put together a functioning team when it's done by so many people all at odds with each other about what they think is needed. Sullivan is the one culpable for all this. Gets a manager in Lop almost to spite his technical director or whatever they called TS purely because he wanted the guy out from the start because it wasn't his appointment. Knew they wouldn't work together and actively tried to sow division. That's to spite the performance of his football club just because he was annoyed one of the other owners wanted some checks and balances in place and got his way. Can't stomach not operating transfers on a 'well if he's having one, I'm having one' basis vs his managers which is INSANE. Especially when the only logic behind his picks is who their agent is and whether they are a 'bargain' regardless of if they fit into any plans or strategy or if the manager wants or needs them. No other owner operates like this, at least no other professional, successful owner. Any player his managers want who he doesn't fancy don't come in because he'll sink the deal intentionally. The ones he doesn't sink usually aren't very good presumable because his eye for talent is rubbish and they are probably a compromise from the get go.

ONE person needs to be in charge of transfers, and it has to be one person with solely the best interests of putting the best side out on the pitch week in week out, NOT whether they have a friendly agent, are cheapo, or are the result of some extremely amateur DIY scouting. This is why we are falling leagues behind almost everyone else. Everyone else has this model, virtually, and it's leaving us utterly in the dust. This is like hanging onto analogue in a digital world.

[Eerie Decent]

Our summer spend under Moyes after the Euro final was pretty much exactly the same as under Loppy the summer after.

[El Scorchio]

We basically should’ve kept Moyes.

After we won the trophy, Moyes should have been given the same kitty Lop was giving the following season, as always we didn't invest and build on what we had and the rest is history (the same history taht West Ham always have)  

I don't know why any of you bother replying to him seriously.
It's funnier when no-one does and then he has to resort to trying and usually failing to directly start fights or arguments with people just so someone gives that little bit of attention he craves.

[Lato]

5 of our previous 7 Managers BFS, Slav, Peligrini, Moyes and Potter were all defenders during their playing days! The other 2 Loppy and Nuno were Goalkeepers. You would expect one if not all would be able to organise a defence. But I suppose this has always been a historial thing with West Ham,,,,,,,shit defending!

[Massive Attack]

Is there a common denominator?

Yeah, Sullivan and Brady.

[Massive Attack]

Moyes, Lopetegui and Potter all have one thing in common. They each bought - or at least agreed to the purchase of - absolute footballing detritus.

Whilst I understand the argument, the Iraola comparison has no merit - under him they acquired Semenyo, Kluivert, Kerkez, Huijsen, Zabarnyi, Evanilson plus a bunch more this past summer who will no doubt become the next highly saleable assets which of course meant that he has always had the necessary raw materials and the fans have every reason to be enthusiastic








 

Even that can be contested by all 3 to be fair to them knowing how this Club has been operating under Sullivan/Steidten. 

Iraolas comparison of results is a fair one and stand by it. But I do stress that there wasn't any guarantee that Lopetegui could have finally got them going, just we will never know now and we weren't under severe pressure to pull the plug when we did. It should have been left to play out till the end of the season and in the meantime he manages to qualify Qatar for the World Cup against the odds for the 1st time ever in their history even though he doesn't speak their language (because language was such a barrier here apparently..). 

 

I know we did this to death, but he was never going to turn anything around once he'd bought in Kilman and Rodriguez as well as Soler on loan and agreed to Fullkrug and Todibo. No cսnt could

Those 3 are definitely on Lopetegui and have always been clear on that which are on him. It's the Fullkrugs, Todibos, Mavropanos, Guilherme, Summervilles of the world that I question. They weren't his signings and had to accept the meddling from above when compiling the Squad for what it needed, or was there already before he got here.

[northbankfrank]

We had a 4 year spell where our average finishing posion was 9th, we had 3 good runs in Europe, we won a cup and we finished above Everton every season.

The next 2 seasons we're below Everton and heading towards relegation.

Is there a common denominator?

[onsideman]

Moyes, Lopetegui and Potter all have one thing in common. They each bought - or at least agreed to the purchase of - absolute footballing detritus.

Whilst I understand the argument, the Iraola comparison has no merit - under him they acquired Semenyo, Kluivert, Kerkez, Huijsen, Zabarnyi, Evanilson plus a bunch more this past summer who will no doubt become the next highly saleable assets which of course meant that he has always had the necessary raw materials and the fans have every reason to be enthusiastic





 

Even that can be contested by all 3 to be fair to them knowing how this Club has been operating under Sullivan/Steidten. 

Iraolas comparison of results is a fair one and stand by it. But I do stress that there wasn't any guarantee that Lopetegui could have finally got them going, just we will never know now and we weren't under severe pressure to pull the plug when we did. It should have been left to play out till the end of the season and in the meantime he manages to qualify Qatar for the World Cup against the odds for the 1st time ever in their history even though he doesn't speak their language (because language was such a barrier here apparently..). 

 

 

I know we did this to death, but he was never going to turn anything around once he'd bought in Kilman and Rodriguez as well as Soler on loan and agreed to Fullkrug and Todibo. No cսnt could

[Massive Attack]

A club statement read: "The first half of the 2024/25 season has not aligned with the club's ambitions and the club has therefore taken action in line with its objectives."


What the fuck were the Board seriously expecting after just 4 months in charge managing in the Premier League and getting beat by an impressive Liverpool in the Cup under 2 meddling managers above him? Top 4 whilst playing Teams off the park with a Squad still suffering PTSD from Moyes style of mindnumbing Football?

A manager who also had to deal with burying his Father in between it all. Fucking hell, what a bunch of cunts!

[Lato]

We should of kept Loppy........we were afterall a lofty13th when he got the tin tack. You would give your right arm for that now!