The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Nutsin]

For those who want to better understand what’s going on.

[BRANDED]

Great comment on idiots guide to Trump Derangement

”This reminds me of my dog. Every day my dog sits and watches as I get the dog food out of big bag in the cupboard, put it in a bowl, and then place it in his corner so he can eat it.
To my dog, I am stupid. Why have the food in a bag? Why have it in the cupboard? Why measure it out? Why put it in a bowl? Why put it in that corner? Why so slow all the time? All you need to do is throw it on the floor and I’ll eat it.
Currently we are all like my dog, wondering why all the time, and thinking the reasoning must be because the people in command are stupid. What we lack is understand the framing, and context, and plan.
Some people believe Trump is stupid – so there is no plan. Some people think Trump is evil, so his plan is to rule the world. Some people see Trump as greedy, so his plan is to line the pockets of him and his friends. Whatever your feeling towards Trump, you will use it to grow a ‘reason’ that fits your world view. All the reasoning depends on your starting opinion. All the evidence you look for is to confirm your motivated reasons – to prove yourself right. It’s circular – like cargo cultists.
We know almost nothing, and much less than we think, and it’s probably us who don’t have the smarts to understand what’s going on from where we sit. We’re the dog watching the food get prepared.”

[Mike Oxsaw]

Although Trump is (clearly) showing signs of early stage dementia, at least he's ditched all that pussyfooting "international diplomacy" and setting out his stall on the following premise:

1. Increasing his own wealth, 
2. Increasing the wealth of his friends and families,
3. Increasing the wealth of those who vote(d) for him,
4. Increasing the wealth of other natural born Americans,
5. Increasing the wealth of naturalised Americans,
6. Keeping everyone else in the US contented (but not necessarily more wealthy).

So, basically where he cannot own assets and resources, he will aim to control them.

Start with that assumption, however unpalatable any that conclusions that flow from it may be, there's a possible chance to work out a way to manage this change on the global stage.

[Nutsin]

I think it’s quite obvious Trump doesn’t care for the European Globalists. Let’s be honest they’ve never cared for him or the USA much either, so no love lost there.

Trump will pull out of NATO and the UN. He will secure the western hemisphere and with the control of Venezuelan oil will bring about major issues for Cuba who depend on it, again no love lost there.

Greenland will be interesting, I think the USA will take over but I think the US will make the Danes an offer they can’t refuse. I very much doubt they will use military force. Maybe economic. A big carrot not a big stick will be seen to be the way forward.

Iran is having issues with lower oil prices and Russia will face the same economic pressure over time.

The Demicratic run Minnesota is a massive shit show. It’s being exposed that the Dems in charge knew the fraud was happening but allowed it as they wanted the immigrant vote and some were getting kick backs and campaign donations. This is money that was suppose to provide Medicaid to kids. The filthy cunts.

It’s all coming out, you can expect to a some prominent Dems in cuffs. Just a matter of time.

Can’t wait to see Ilhan Omar in cuffs on CNN. Fucking filth! 

 

[Mike Oxsaw]

One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy
Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.Hello firend. You at bench?

Is One Sunny Day one of the far left facists who turn up 7 days a week with Paedos, Rapists and terrorists welcome here banners?

Nah, that would be all the Trump and Tommy Robinson fans on here who love a foreign rapist. 

 

 

The left prefer all their rapists to be located in the UK at the time of the offence but with no UK ancestral heritage.

[Cabbige Savage]

One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy
Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.Hello firend. You at bench?

Is One Sunny Day one of the far left facists who turn up 7 days a week with Paedos, Rapists and terrorists welcome here banners?

Nah, that would be all the Trump and Tommy Robinson fans on here who love a foreign rapist. 

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[One Sunny Day]

One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy
Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.Hello firend. You at bench?

Is One Sunny Day one of the far left facists who turn up 7 days a week with Paedos, Rapists and terrorists welcome here banners?

Nah, that would be all the Trump and Tommy Robinson fans on here who love a foreign rapist. 

[Fauxstralian]

If Trump invades Danish controlled Greenland the UK should close the US Embassy in London and deport all Americans
Imagine the peace & quiet

[Metroplex]

I fucking hate Yanks.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Is One Sunny Day one of the far left facists who turn up 7 days a week with Paedos, Rapists and terrorists welcome here banners?

I believe he's also in favour of castrated men in wigs fiddling with little girls in women's toilets.

Like joyo.

You mean Oxbore as I've made clear on here I'm transphobic and agree there are 3 genders...male,female and mental illness 

No surprises you once again have again brought up a sexual angle to the debate...wrong un

So you deny supporting trannies but ignore the fiddling with kids bit, interesting.

[XKhammer]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/10/worl ... aduro.html

So Biden sets up a 25m bounty for arrest of Maduro and when Trump does this the democratics go mental about it???!?!

[wils]

When l said finish him l should have said more the Republican party,As thick as he is even he wouldn't dare before the mid terms take Greenland 
He has given the green light to Russia and China to be bullies as well
If he takes Greenland thats the end of NATO 
l have no problem him taking MADuro and bombing drug cartels,but Greenland is not a dictatorship or mafia run country 
Basically you saying he wouldn't blink is admitting hes a dictator 

Not quite. He wouldn't blink because he doesn't care about Europeans, not that he doesn't care about democracy. He doesn't care about NATO. Greenland is more important to him. If taking Greenland upsets the Europeans he will just shrug and say, "what yer going to do about it?". There is nothing Europe can do. It's too weak.

This is the thing. You watch politicians standing up in parliament yesterday asking Yvette Cooper questions after her statement to the house about Venezuala, and they are all asking her to stand-up for the "rules based order" and "international law". She can't stand for it. How can she? If people ignore it, what can she (Britain) do? How can we enforce it? They just ignore us. It's over now. Might is power. International law was a post-war idea that has expired.

So when working out what a state can or can't do, forget international law and forget what is right or wrong. It's about what that state is able to do and what is in its interests. That is all.

Russia and China having been acting like this for years already. 

[XKhammer]

One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy
Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.Hello firend. You at bench?

Is One Sunny Day one of the far left facists who turn up 7 days a week with Paedos, Rapists and terrorists welcome here banners?

I believe he's also in favour of castrated men in wigs fiddling with little girls in women's toilets.

Like joyo.

You mean Oxbore as I've made clear on here I'm transphobic and agree there are 3 genders...male,female and mental illness 

No surprises you once again have again brought up a sexual angle to the debate...wrong un

[XKhammer]

 

Agree with you point about China,India and Russia but if you think Trump is going invade Greenland you're wrong because as thick as Trump is he knows that would finish him internationally and at home

 

We'll see. Personally I don't see there is anything to 'finish' him. Finished where? Electorally? He isn't standing again. Finished in terms of allies? The US is so powerful that Trump doesn't need anyone's approval. The only constraints on him are the laws of physics. He has already said that he doesn't care about NATO so collapsing that won't mean anything to him.

He will do a simple calculation. What means more to the US? The NATO alliance or the rare earth minerals in Greenland. He won't even blink answering that.

Britain and the Europeans are living in a dreamland thinking that international law still matters to anyone. Britain and Europe are weak and there is nothing either of them can to enforce international law. We need realise this and start thinking how we protect ourselves and our interests in this new world. 

When l said finish him l should have said more the Republican party,As thick as he is even he wouldn't dare before the mid terms take Greenland 
He has given the green light to Russia and China to be bullies as well
If he takes Greenland thats the end of NATO 
l have no problem him taking MADuro and bombing drug cartels,but Greenland is not a dictatorship or mafia run country 
Basically you saying he wouldn't blink is admitting hes a dictator 

[THUNDERCLINT]

One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy
Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.Hello firend. You at bench?

Is One Sunny Day one of the far left facists who turn up 7 days a week with Paedos, Rapists and terrorists welcome here banners?

I believe he's also in favour of castrated men in wigs fiddling with little girls in women's toilets.

Like joyo.

[F 129 Row66]

One Sunny Day" wrote: ↑I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy
Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.Hello firend. You at bench?

Is One Sunny Day one of the far left facists who turn up 7 days a week with Paedos, Rapists and terrorists welcome here banners?

[Cabbige Savage]

I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.

Hello firend. You at bench?

[wils]

 

Agree with you point about China,India and Russia but if you think Trump is going invade Greenland you're wrong because as thick as Trump is he knows that would finish him internationally and at home

 

 

We'll see. Personally I don't see there is anything to 'finish' him. Finished where? Electorally? He isn't standing again. Finished in terms of allies? The US is so powerful that Trump doesn't need anyone's approval. The only constraints on him are the laws of physics. He has already said that he doesn't care about NATO so collapsing that won't mean anything to him.

He will do a simple calculation. What means more to the US? The NATO alliance or the rare earth minerals in Greenland. He won't even blink answering that.

Britain and the Europeans are living in a dreamland thinking that international law still matters to anyone. Britain and Europe are weak and there is nothing either of them can to enforce international law. We need realise this and start thinking how we protect ourselves and our interests in this new world. 

[,]

In truth the so called international rules have been broken regularly over the years ignored by many countries in the west when they saw fit. Trump’s capturing of a tin pot dictator from a tin pot country is no big deal compared to the UK and France taking over the Suez Canal in 1956 and the he illegal invasion of Iraq in the Bush/Blair era.

Starmer referred to the restoration of democracy in Venezuela but that is not what the USA is after rather it wants a regime that is favourable to their long term interests. Be assured the USA has always had a fear of democracies within their sphere of influence.

The real problem that the other democracies of the world face is that certain leaders are feeling emboldened by the actions and words of the world’s most powerful democracy. I am confident that Trump will not get hold of Greenland but don’t be surprised if his ally in charge of Argentina gets more bullish about that county’s right to the Malvinas.

[THUNDERCLINT]

I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.

Cool.

No surprises you think rape is cool....wrong un 

Of course, you, a self confessed rapist of impoverished, disabled, 3rd World children would conclude that.

Says everything necessary about how your mind is broken.

[XKhammer]

I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.

Cool.

No surprises you think rape is cool....wrong un 

[THUNDERCLINT]

I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.

Cool.

[XKhammer]

We still have three more years of Trump's irrational behaviour and l think he's given up on getting the noble peace price
He's insane if he thinks he's gonna get Greenland 

He'll get Greenland and there will be nothing anyone can do about it. There will be a bunch of liberals standing up in European parliaments bleating about how America and other nations should respect the 'rules based order' and 'international law' but offer nothing at all about how they will (or can) enforce international law.

And if you think things will go back to normal when Trump's mandate is over, you need to look at the polls for 2028 JD Vance v Newsom https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/ ... -vs-newsom

Even if Vance lost. China, India and Russia have abandoned the Rules based order long ago. You can't apply international law just to the West when everyone else ignores it.

The post-war rules based order is over. There is nothing anyone can do about that. We need to think about how we survive in that world and who we build alliances with and what we have to offer to any alliance. 

Agree with you point about China,India and Russia but if you think Trump is going invade Greenland you're wrong because as thick as Trump is he knows that would finish him internationally and at home

[XKhammer]

Russia are obliged to ‘protest’ but obviously won’t do anything 
Part of Trump & Putins deal
Putin gets the resources of Ukraine which they share with Trump & Trump gets Venezuela’s oil and then likely the resources of Greenland 
The final part is Trump gets his Moscow hotel piss video back & Putin helps neutralise the Epstein evidence
Game over

And there's me thinking the conspiracy theorists loons were just the thicko naive right wing bible bashers

[One Sunny Day]

I see everyones favourite patriot, I mean traitor, Tommy Robinson, is begging a foreign rapist, Trump, to invade our country and murder our democratically elected Prime minister.