Is Max Kilman the worst centre back in your memory - name worse?

[camel-with-3-humps]

In light of the horrific display at Wolves, is Max Kilman the worst centre back we've had? There is probably worse, but I can't remember. 

Gary Breen was pretty bad. He didn't make as many mistakes as Kilman, but he was weak -  like a road cone easily bypassed. 

Views?

[Sir Alf]

Exactly what everyone sees GreenStreet. Cannot have players who are not brave and are scared of getting hurt especially in his position. I think Max is one of them that fears the pain especially in the air.  All good CBs take whacks to the head regularly.  He doesnt. 

He made his name playimg for England as a lad in that foosball ( spelling?) tounament and was good with his feet but lack of speed means that is never seen. Also Nuno probably does not encourage CBs to play like Brighton’s as part of the whole team attacking

Wolves fan i know said he was very good with Connar Cody and Willy Boly who were leaders and vocal. 

[GreenStreetPlayer]

When was the last time we had CBs who could chip in with a goal every now and then from a set piece, Dawson and Zouma.

In our early days with Kilman I was watching his face at a set piece of ours, and it said he didn’t want it.

[Eerie Decent]

Ah, bless em'
 

[honky cat]

As much as Max pains me. I would feel a bit sorry for him if he happened to stumble upon WHO and saw this headline.

Ditto poor 'Jimmy', how do you even begin to explain to him he's nicknamed after some midget jock nudger in his 60s.

No wonder everyone wants to leave.

[Sir Alf]

Errors are the thing everyone notices but he is so slow for the PL and if yhat is not bad enough he is a “shrinking violet”.  Lucas Neill was slow but made up fir it with attitude and commitment and the clever wsy he dealt with faster players by using his body and not giving them an inch. Kilman looks lightweight especially in the air and positionally he falls asleep, never attacks the ball etc.  A 10-15 million player at best. 

[Eerie Decent]

Max Kilman's 'good' games are just games where he doesn't make an absolute glaring error. 

[Ron Eff]

He was decent yesterday but probably found his level, maybe keep him next season on half the wages 

Was he? He missed a chance on their goal line because of his fear of heading the ball. The 6’4 blouse tentatively waffed his head near it where a Soucek or Dawson would be flying at it. Embarrassing bloke. 

[mallard]

11 Goals this season is hardly anonymous 

[Vexed]

I’d like to have seen the scouting report on Kilman.

But, of course, there probably wasn’t one because the fuckwit Spaniard wasted his budget on him based on him not being the worst player at Wolves.

I don’t know many Wolves fans, but one guy who is said they were all laughing when the deal happened. Genuinely knew they’d robbed us.

He's signed up to Wasserman agency who are based in Los Angeles. They represent actors, boxers, footballers and incorporate an advertising and P.R agency within their business.



If you want the scouting report it was probably an email from whatever minion was in the office at the time. Summerville is with them too.

Their most high profile client is Federico Valverde the Uruguayan who holds Real Madrid's midfield together.

Interestingly we've been linked to quite a few players on their books - Josh Sargent, Kiernan Dewsbury Hall, Harvey Barnes, Teun Koopermaiers and Weston McKennie amongst others.

Eddie Howe, Graham Potter and Mikel Arteta are on their roster too as well as Flynn Downes and Nathan Ake who turned us down apparently

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We should have gone all out for Harvey Barnes when he was at Leicester, kills me every time I see him scoring for Newcastle 

We did and he didn't want to come. Also he's been fucking anonymous there, we dodged a bullet. 

[twoleftfeet]

He was decent yesterday but probably found his level, maybe keep him next season on half the wages 

[Percy Dalton]

Thought he played well on Sunday although playing against a Championship club is about his level.

[Fauxstralian]

Pinnock will be a good experienced head for the Championship 
Probably Captain too
Will be good for Kaelen Casey to come back & learn from him along with the other young lad Golambakis

[mallard]

I’d like to have seen the scouting report on Kilman.

But, of course, there probably wasn’t one because the fuckwit Spaniard wasted his budget on him based on him not being the worst player at Wolves.

I don’t know many Wolves fans, but one guy who is said they were all laughing when the deal happened. Genuinely knew they’d robbed us.

He's signed up to Wasserman agency who are based in Los Angeles. They represent actors, boxers, footballers and incorporate an advertising and P.R agency within their business.



If you want the scouting report it was probably an email from whatever minion was in the office at the time. Summerville is with them too.

Their most high profile client is Federico Valverde the Uruguayan who holds Real Madrid's midfield together.

Interestingly we've been linked to quite a few players on their books - Josh Sargent, Kiernan Dewsbury Hall, Harvey Barnes, Teun Koopermaiers and Weston McKennie amongst others.

Eddie Howe, Graham Potter and Mikel Arteta are on their roster too as well as Flynn Downes and Nathan Ake who turned us down apparently

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wasserm ... e_vignette

We should have gone all out for Harvey Barnes when he was at Leicester, kills me every time I see him scoring for Newcastle 

[Sir Alf]

We need a brave CB who is not afraid of getting hurt and will throw his body on the line and is talking and encouraging. Kilman appears to be the exact opposite of that. Yet another example of recruitment without a proper definition of requirements which, in turn, is the symptom of a club and owner with no plan whatsoever. 

[eusebiovic]

I had a mate who played local football in the Herts and District league as a centre half, he's ten times the player than fucking Kilman is and that's no fucking lie.

40 million, you're having a fucking laugh.

I saw Ethan Pinnock at Brentford playing for Dulwich Hamlet when he was 18 years old and he was captain by the time he was 21. He was clearly head and shoulders above Kilman in every measurable indicator. 

[Far Cough UKunt]

I had a mate who played local football in the Herts and District league as a centre half, he's ten times the player than fucking Kilman is and that's no fucking lie.

40 million, you're having a fucking laugh.

[eusebiovic]

I’d like to have seen the scouting report on Kilman.

But, of course, there probably wasn’t one because the fuckwit Spaniard wasted his budget on him based on him not being the worst player at Wolves.

I don’t know many Wolves fans, but one guy who is said they were all laughing when the deal happened. Genuinely knew they’d robbed us.

He's signed up to Wasserman agency who are based in Los Angeles. They represent actors, boxers, footballers and incorporate an advertising and P.R agency within their business.

If you want the scouting report it was probably an email from whatever minion was in the office at the time. Summerville is with them too.

Their most high profile client is Federico Valverde the Uruguayan who holds Real Madrid's midfield together.

Interestingly we've been linked to quite a few players on their books - Josh Sargent, Kiernan Dewsbury Hall, Harvey Barnes, Teun Koopermaiers and Weston McKennie amongst others.

Eddie Howe, Graham Potter and Mikel Arteta are on their roster too as well as Flynn Downes and Nathan Ake who turned us down apparently

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/wasserm ... e_vignette

[southbankbornnbred]

I’d like to have seen the scouting report on Kilman.

But, of course, there probably wasn’t one because the fuckwit Spaniard wasted his budget on him based on him not being the worst player at Wolves.

I don’t know many Wolves fans, but one guy who is said they were all laughing when the deal happened. Genuinely knew they’d robbed us.

[southbankbornnbred]

In terms of the whole package - player, fee, wages etc - Kilman is the worst by a big distance. We’ve had some ringers down the years, but nothing compares to this fella when you consider how appalling he is for a £40m player on 100k a week for seven years.

Absolutely dire footballer: can’t run, tackle, head, pass, mark…

[Billy Blagg]

Did we get Cushley because we couldn't get Maurice Setters?

Yes Far, Bobby Moore talks about the purchase in his biography. Fascinating story about Greenwood's man-management skills. Mooro was furious about it. He wanted Setters, but Greenwood had already decided for Cushley. After seeing Cushley dish it out in a pre-season tournament in Germany. Moore was very happy. Cushley was kicking Ziggi Held (World Cup finalist in 66) from pillar to post, and Held just run the flag up. Moore and the team were effusive in their praise, but Greenwood took Cushley aside and berated him for kicking Held and said he needed better skills to use on a respected International, not just kick him. In Moore's words, Cushley said to Moore 'the Boss doesn't like me and he [Cushley] never kicked another ball for West Ham'. 

In answer to the original question. Senior WHOers will probably give you a long list of worse centre-backs. Centre-forwards and CB's have been an issue from long before I first started watching the team. My Grandad used to complain about it and he watched them in the 40s! In terms of expectation, I'd say Gary Breen. He'd had a fantastic World Cup and he looked an obvious buy. Some were just poor buys from the off, though. 

[easthammer]

Did we get Cushley because we couldn't get Maurice Setters?

 

Possibly, I don't remember much more than he took over from the great Ken Brown. A big act to follow but Cushley really wasn't up to it despite appearing to be a decent bloke.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Did we get Cushley because we couldn't get Maurice Setters?

[easthammer]

How many of you remember John Cushley?  38 games between 1967 - 70, Scottish played for Celtic before joining us. Not the biggest centre back well under 6ft. 

I once shared a treatment room at the Boleyn Ground with him and the great Bobby Moore, and to this day, I would claim I was not the worst defender in the room

[fraser]

You must remember Gary Breen, Truly one of the worst I've seen and I had to put up with the piss taking from Gillingham fans after we signed him (Breen was a former Gillingham player). But yes, Kilman is definitely up there.

Free v £40 million and £120k a week for 7 years... There's no contest 

[twoleftfeet]

You must remember Gary Breen, Truly one of the worst I've seen and I had to put up with the piss taking from Gillingham fans after we signed him (Breen was a former Gillingham player). But yes, Kilman is definitely up there.

All 6 goals we conceded against Man Utd in the FA cup at Ood Trafford involved Gary Breen.