Moyes being offered a new contract. FFS

[Vexed]

According to sky they're offering this fucking idiot a 2.5 year contract. I fucking hope not.

[LAF]

"Apologies for the length of my earlier post, if you bothered to read it. I’d dispute one comment made: I said the Moyes had. ‘schooled’ Arteta last night. Ok, perhaps a bit strong but I do think there was more to the tactic than defending for our lives. As Moyes has said , defending is an essential part of the game and, for once, I think most of us appreciated the defensive tactics employed last night. We smothered them and, unlike Liverpool and City, Arsenal couldn’t pick the lock last night. We defended from the front and everyone played their part. Also, don’t forget the goal scorers - Soucek, employed as a DM last night and Mav, central defender. There must be some praise for Moyes’ tactics there, surely. Arteta had no response to the problem we posed them and I’d imagine many Gooner fans would be frustrated with Arteta’s set up for the game. Credit where credit is due ."

[Yorkammer]

I thought Sir Alf had the repetitive joke poster of the year award sewn up but Vexed is coming with a late strong run on the rails. Looks like he'll make it by a short thick head.

[Joe C]

"Fuck off back to the Moyes out thread and cry with your fellow morons in there eh Vexed, you embarrassing tramp"

[Vexed]

"Well you cunts make sure you keep it all nice and positive when we've lost a few during the Ebola Cup and then in summer when anyone with any talent wants to leave and then next season when we're bottom half with nothing to play for by Christmas defending for 75 minutes at home to fucking Brentford, lumping it up to Antonio hoping he doesn't fucking fall over again. Remember you wanted that, you wanted to be bored shitless watching us and you wanted a manger that has no interest in winning cups or what the fans care about in the slightest, while he actively insults you for questioning him. Fucking eat it up you short sighted idiots."

[rumford]

Westside 5:51 That's a fair unbiased summary.

[fraser]

The same source that broke this has apparently also said Tim Steidten in control of transfers..

[onsideman]

"... and in terms of the youngsters, Pierre Ekwah may be a Premier League player soon, but it's not really about those we've let go in the past, more about the current crop NOW - the best we've had for many a year - not getting a chance."

[onsideman]

"LAF 4:43 Fri Dec 29 A couple of things... Firstly I refute the suggestion that Moyes schooled Arteta last night. Arsenal played in front of us all night and never stretched us. That was down to Arteta and his players, not Moyes, who did exactly what he does against every ""big"" club, every time he sets out We've used fewer players than any other club because of the state of the squad, not because it is inherently 'thin'. He has curated a fucking mess. We are having this conversation because we beat the worst Man Utd team we've faced in decades and because the players were so unbelievably incentivised to beat Declan Rice. We didn't have it after the defeats at Fulham or Liverpool, or after the defeat against Everton or the tedious draw against a Crystal Palace side that seems to be cannon fodder for everyone else. I have been a season ticket holder for 30 years and I, along with everyone I go with, have less enthusiasm for going than at any time in the past"

[dealcanvey]

Why are you so vexed Vexed?

[scott_d]

"Just because we are in a good position does not mean there is no room for criticism. Moyes is doing well but for me it really isn't rocket science in terms of what he needs to do to get the fans on his side. 1. Obviously timing not great on this one but considering Arsenal is his only ever win against the top flight teams it's still relevant and that is his attitude towards the top teams and especially away from home. So many times we've rolled over before a ball is kicked and it's not acceptable. If we never beat the big teams away then what is the danger in having a proper go for a change? 2. His attitude towards the lower teams at home. He just needs to be more confident in his players and try and dominate these games rather than playing a slightly more progressive game than normal. We have a team capable of battering some of the dross in this league yet he's happy grinding out a 1-0 win. Have a bit of faith and let the players play. That's not asking for much and for me it doesn't affect the results much either. It's not that we think we should be doing better, it's more that we can see some clear opportunities for improvement that Moyes seems too stubborn to capitalise on."

[Bungo]

"Random thought: One measure of success for managers and coaches is how successful or otherwise their signings turn out to be. If we assume that no manager will always achieve a 100% success rate with signings (even with a large budget), what are people's expectations for what success looks like? In a time where everything is analysed to the nth degree, has anyone established a ranking system for manager's success rates at bringing on board 'good' signings? If so, how would 'success' be measured objectively? So many questions and so few answers..."

[Westside]

"""The word on the street is that Ratcliffe wants to replace three out of ten hag with Moyes. Our owners have offered a generous contract extension immediately to thwart ManU."" A sensible approach, if that's the case. Moyes wasn't going to get binned off this season. He will be eventually, virtually every manager is. If he needs to be sacked after say 10 - 12 games next season, the remaining contract to pay up, won't be a barrier to sacking him. I'd rather he get the new contract now, rather than the downturn we had in BFS's last season, when his contract wasn't going to be renewed (31 points after 17 games, finished on 47 points). Is Moyes the perfect manager? Absolutely not. Are there better alternatives, who would join us and get more out of the team? Possibly, If Moyes was at fault for our league downturn last year, then he gets the credit, for the improvement this year."

[Gaffer58]

"In the boards eye Moyes is perfect, wins a European competition, 6 th in the league,so the money keeps coming in from full houses and final league position money. To them it’s a results business, they don’t care about the quality. Also Paqueta and now Kudos have both increased their sell on value."

[Fauxstralian]

"If I was Sullivan if I was considering a new contract I'd sit down with Moyes and Steidten and get clarity from Moyes on: 1. If we are giving you hundreds of millions can you tell us how you intend to progress the team from a 25% possession / defending like the Alamo LOW BLOCK to a team that can control matches 2. Do you accept that Steidten is the decider on which players are recruited to progress the team? 3. What is your plan to integrate youngsters from our talented group (FA Youth Cup winners, Southern Premier league champions) into the squad and team? *phone rings* Sullivan lackey -Mr Sullivan , Ancelotti has just signed an extension at Real Madrid to 2026 so Xabi Alonso isnt going there Sullivan - Oh. Tim , can I have a word?"

[Sir Alf]

“Yin and Yang” even

[Sir Alf]

“Yin and Yang” even

[Sir Alf]

"To parrot what I mentioned on various other threads, we have to hope Steidtens transfer dealings saves Moyes from himself. Might be one of those “Ying and Yang” things where the players Steidten gets opens Moyes to introduce some variation in tactics. We can hope"

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

"‘Moyes has been managing a club with a heavy workload since August ( and the previous season) and a squad thin on first choice quality. ‘ That’s down to him. He’s wasted fortunes on the likes of Kehrer, Downes, Cornet, Benrahma, Aguerd, Ings. All of which we join a long list of players we have cut our loses on during his time here. He also refuses to bring through any of our successful youth team players. Thankfully the club have forced a recruitment team on him. Shame they can’t force him to blood our youth players too. But it’d be simpler to find a better suited manager. I honestly don’t think a single other team in the top ten would entertain taking him on as manager. He’s just a rich mans Allardyce."

[Mex Martillo]

"Of course he is being offered another contract, he deserves it. My complaint is the teams poor ability to pass the ball and play out from the back. Hopefully they will tell him that he needs to work on that, while continuing the gradual upward trajectory that he has us on."

[Johnson]

", 3:33 Fri Dec 29 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha"

[Council Scum]

"""Yeah great, let's have another 2.5 years of shit football and a revolving door of players."" Embarrassing comment."

[BRANDED]

Employing multi millionaires with big personalities must be quite a challenge all round. At the moment it seems the best players are right on side with management. That can change over night but while it lasts its a brilliant thing.

[1964]

LAF 4:43 Fri Dec 29

[LAF]

"That was a masterclass from Moyes last night who really schooled his opposite number. Of course the narrative is that he is a dour Scot and a dinosaur. Both lazy insults - ageist and culturally defined. Arteta, on the other hand is a young, tactical genius. Once again, handy, lazy labels which are very questionable. Some obvious facts, which may prove inconvenient to some on here who want to control the narrative that Moyes is holding us back: Moyes has been managing a club with a heavy workload since August ( and the previous season) and a squad thin on first choice quality. Along with his coaching staff, he’s created a strong togetherness and cohesion which has underpinned the real success we've had so far this season. I post quite regularly on here that you don’t have to set up your argument about whether he should stay or go into two neat columns. It doesn’t need to be a binary choice. Just look at the facts. The facts are there for all to see, unless you wish to blindly ignore what is in front of you because your mind is made up and you, for one, are not for turning. The positives for Moyes might be the following: his record in keeping us a Premier team on two occasions of asking; - and then stabilising us; an impressive run to the semis of the Europa cup; with some glorious and memorable nights at the LS; a good points total in the Prem two seasons ago; a European trophy (ffs!); a solid first half to this season with some notable scalps; another successful European campaign underway; juggling an uneven squad; deft management of our goalkeeping position; intelligent tactical strategies of one the Prem’s most feared and productive forward trios.; solid management on handling the loss of Rice; he clearly has the backing and respect of the dressing room who collectively believe in the journey and (a-hem..) the project. The glaring negatives might well be the following: questionable handing of past strikers; he must bear some responsibility for the unevenness of the squad;; a failure last season to build on the previous Prem campaign; too many questionable performances where there’s been a failure to be expansive and progressive. Two negatives I omitted from that list are the failure to provide youth a chance to break through and him ‘talking down’ West Ham’s status as not being a big club. One the first - we only have to look at a few youngsters who have left because Moyes would not give them a chance….not one of them has so far broken through and shone for their new team. Our latest crop are still undercooked. Playing Mubama might be a romantic selection - but would it weaken the team? At the moment, yes it would. As with other youngsters bubbling under, his time will come - but, for now, patience is required. Moyes priority number one, regardless of whether he scores popularity points, is to lose himself the question - will this kid’s selection weaken my team? On the second - surely it is simply a fact to say that West Ham are competing with teams who are either financed by nations states - City and Newcastle - or heavily backed by enormous financial institutions - pick any of the other top 5. Perhaps Villa and Brighton may well be outliers like us with this point. So, yes, surely when he explains that we’re dining at the table of the elite of the elite, he’s simply stating a stone called fact. Rice going to Arsenal is an example of this, surely. So, yes - call for Moyes’ head if you want but line the facts up first. In the true act of fairness and logic. For me, I try to not react in the binary way of kick him out / hand him a 10 year contract….although I’ve had some moments of despair like the rest of us. I get frustrated by some of our boring performances like everyone else… the Everton game, for example, was a low point this season…..but there is a bigger picture out there. Like many, I get pissed off with the ‘be careful what you wish for’ line trotted out by the pundits defending Moyes - however, taking all sorts of variables into account, weighing up the good with the bad, the euphoric with the depressing, the accolades with the criticisms - I think West Ham are still in capable, professional and stable hands. For now,.. for now.. for now….that will do me. Carry on Mr Moyes."

[Admiral Lard]

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