Junior doctor strike

[brundal]

"Sack the fecking lot of them, just heard one say she wants to go to Australia when fully trained,"

[Manuel]

"Here we go, I've not seen the offer of a meet on here for a while.."

[chim chim cha boo]

"Hermit I read up to 'facebook' and had to stop as I have never held a Facebook, WhatsApp or Instagram account. This is ALL based on basic common sense. If we were talking in a pub face to face right now I would say the exact same thing. We can make that happen mate if you like?"

[Hermit Road]

"Chim, You get every opinion you hold from Facebook which is why you generally talk shit without saying anything of substance. Ambulances aren’t privatised you fucking minge. What happens is that a relatively tiny amount of private ambulances are used to extend capacity which is a totally different thing. Fact is, it has a lot more employees than it used to have so if you’re right and parts have been privatised, that means a lot more direct employees and a lot more indirect employees. Even your criticism doesn’t make sense but makes the people who work for it look even more shit. Lastly, how’s about you get a decent job and start paying some tax instead of leeching off of others like a ponce. You’ve bragged on here about all the jobs you’ve had in the past paying little to no tax so don’t get all preachy about governments who don’t spend enough on what you want them to spend it on. Fuck me you’ve turned into a right Mumsnet mong over the years. and don’t bother responding with your seat number because you’ve been called out on your bollocks."

[Leavemyarcelona]

What are the cunts striking over now?

[chim chim cha boo]

"Absolute bollocks Hermit. The NHS is unwieldy because it's the biggest company in the world and has been sold off secretly for over a decade. Who doesn't want a piece of the biggest company in the world and do you honestly think their intentions are benign, in keeping with the founding principles? It's been raped or so neglected that its staff are completely demoralised and feel abandoned. I'd probably agree there are too many chiefs and not enough indians but the point still stands. Want an ambulance? You can't have one because the NHS is so shit despite being given so much money. Or maybe the ambulance service was privatised right under our noses and private companies skimp on their upkeep to keep shareholders happy? It's cunts like you, trashing some of the best inventions this country has ever delivered that really boils my piss. What are you going to aim at next, social housing?"

[Hermit Road]

"Over the last 20 years the population has gone up by 20% and the number of NHS employees has gone up by 80%. I don’t blame doctors for wanting to move to a country where theyare paid better, it’s the hypocrisy in insisting that the NHS, a system so fucking mental with its total reliance on the state that only failed communist countries have tried to replicate it, is an ideal, untouchable system that should not be changed that gets me. Its budget is huge, hoovers up all our taxes and yet there is never enough. It’s a stain on our country, it drags us down. Think back to the lockdowns, in other countries it was about protecting people, in this country it was about protecting the NHS. The cult-like devotion to it by the British people is weird and infantilising"

[northbankboy68]

Let's hope next time you need treatment you don't need someone you fucking despise! Good fucking luck!

[teddyp]

GMC. No more than a left wing political movement

[Fauxstralian]

During COVID when Boris cսnt was leading doorstop CLAPS for the NHS I did say to a friend of mine that it was a load of bollocks and the only real appreciation would be ¬£¬£¬£¬£¬£. I guess we are seeing what the government really thinks of people who risked their lives to keep the Blonde Blancmange alive

[Fauxstralian]

During COVID when Boris cսnt was leading doorstop CLAPS for the NHS I did say to a friend of mine that it was a load of bollocks and the only real appreciation would be ¬£¬£¬£¬£¬£. I guess we are seeing what the government really thinks of people who risked their lives to keep the Blonde Blancmange alive

[Gaffer58]

"As mentioned earlier, how have they allowed their pay to get eroded over the last decade, bet all those very important administration executives have seen their pay at least keeping up with inflation. My experience of doctors, hospitals etc is that the medical side are professional and competent, but the admin side leaves a lot to be desired.Also, during Covid and even now I was amazed at all the different departments etc that were issuing instructions, plus, didn’t the army have to be called in to organise the distribution of PPE because the relevant department was in chaos."

[Bungo]

"Full details of doctor's NHS pay in England can be found in the BMJ link below. Basic pay is the starting point as there are many other components that go to make up their total pay. Most of these ‘extras’ they pick up in the course of doing their job. https://www.bmj.com/careers/article/the-complete-guide-to-nhs-pay-for-doctors On a related topic, there is a lot of dissatisfaction from senior doctors with the performance of many of the current batch of FY1 and FY2 doctors. I am told that many now appear to be much more interested in themselves and less concerned with the well-being of their patients. An example is the current fuss over the confiscation of under-performing junior doctors shoes at Imperial by Mike Firtleman. Apologies for the Daily Mail link but on this occasion they do have the broad outline of the story correct. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12897569/As-consultant-investigated-confiscating-shoes-student-doctors-punishment-two-experts-debate-senior-doctor-right-so.html"

[Vexed]

"ray winstone 1:28 Thu Jan 4 They clearly deserve to be paid properly, but equally they must have known the pay wasn't good when the chose that career. I'd much rather these cunts got a rise than the fucking train wankers for sure. But continued striking will lose public support. I'm private, so, y'know suck it."

[ray winstone]

"I would love to see some of you fuckers on here lying in a hospital bed with tubes and wires everywhere saying to the person who could possibly save his life, 'oi cսnt, you earn more than enough money, fucking junior doctor, who do you think you are going on strike, cսnt'. Thing is, you'd be offering that person anything he wanted if he could save your precious life. These people deserve to get paid a decent wage for the work, study and hours they put in, they SAVE lives for fuck's sake, they're not tipping your wheelie bin into a waste disposal truck."

[zebthecat]

Coffee 12:39 Thu Jan 4 Quite - I looked this up too. Average time as a hospital junior doctor is 8-10 years post-graduation but can be longer especilly ones who concentrate on research as fellows. For GPs the average is 5 years postgrad.

[Coffee]

"Westside The term 'junior' is a bit misleading. Apparently it refers to anyone under the rank of consultant, so it's far from just the recently qualified. It's most doctors."

[Westside]

"""While workload and waiting lists are at record highs, junior doctors' pay has been cut by more than a quarter since 2008."" What have their unions been doing, to allow such a reduction in their wage over 15 years? No employer/government is going to sling out a 25% - 35% rise, in one go. Their wages should be ""triple locked,"" in future and an above inflation increase now. And a reduction in their hours. Doctors are not juniors for 15 years (Russ's post gives their wages for first 3 years, no idea when the title ""junior"" ends), so no doctor has seen a reduction of 25% in their wages over 15 years, New entrants, know what they are going to earn and how long they will have to work for it."

[Russ of the BML]

1st year junior doctors are on £14ph. 2nd year junior doctors are on £17ph. 3rd year junior doctors are on £50k per annum. Make of that what you will. I make of it that the 1st and 2nd year junior doctors are underpaid. 3rd year doctors are paid well but they do a hell of a lot of hours for that.

[iphammer]

Maybe if the people at the top of the NHS making the decisions stopped recruiting for diversity managers the junior doctors would get more money. https://beta.jobs.nhs.uk/candidate/jobadvert/C9380-22-3052 And stop wasting money painting rainbows on ambulances.

[joyo]

Vexed has the hump because the strike has led to cancellation of his mental health issues appointments and he can't afford to go private

[LAF]

Vexed. Grow up or go to bed and leave the rest of us to have a grown up debate.

[Vexed]

"Rios son, nobody's here to answer your questions, stop carrying on like some junior Oxsaw dickhead."

[riosleftsock]

I'll try again Is the NHS budget too low or are doctors salaries too low?

[Vexed]

I know what I'll do. I'll train to do something for loads of years then do it for a couple of years and then I'll decide that the job doesn't pay enough money and go on strike endlessly putting lives at risk. Cunts. Fuck off LAF.

[ray winstone]

LAF 9:17 Wed Jan 3