Junior doctor strike

[brundal]

"Sack the fecking lot of them, just heard one say she wants to go to Australia when fully trained,"

[Mike Oxsaw]

I suspect the increased tax take is being used to cover the cost of previous loans the government took out in the past...to fund NHS expansion.

[Darlo Debs]

Goose the biggest users of the NHS are the elderly and therefore the exact people it was to set up.to serve and the time it was serve.

[Darlo Debs]

"Tax take is an all.time high then what us being done with it?. Where are the plans to fix crumbling public buildings,. Pay the doctors properly etc? If they have that increased tax income then why is it not being spent where needed is the more pertinent question."

[goose]

"Debs is it possible to overlay the number of people using the NHS onto that graph? My own take is that the society that the NHS was built to serve no longer exists. People are living longer, there's more of us, the more medical science evolves the more stuff they now have to treat. I think there are many things that people use the NHS for that shouldn't be free."

[Darlo Debs]

You are being ridiculous Mike. The sooner people that can work.if treated are seen through sooner they can get back.to.work.and continue contributing . The longer they are being made to.wait the harder it will be to fix their problem potentially and the more it could cost.

[riosleftsock]

"Debs As I understand it, tax take is at an all time high, the freezing of personal allowances has caused a bigger tax increase than the NI cut. So thats incorrect. Nobody wants to see tax loopholes other than schemes to encourage investment or increase in efficiency/producitivity. But what percentage of our income tax receipts should be given to the NHS?"

[Mike Oxsaw]

Yeah! NO MORE WAITING LISTS!!! People should just be able to rock up at their local A&E and demand (DEMAND) a heart transplant to cure their ingrown toenail.

[Darlo Debs]

"Ron Eff yes it is in real terms. Lee that's is not true. It's only ever mismanaged by Tories who want a insurance based healthcare system, so do.their best to run it into the ground everytime they are in power but try to.pretend otherwise. There us an interesting graph doing the rounds re hospital waiting lists with a direct comparison between labour and Tories and its no surprise that when Tories are in waiting lists go.up."

[Darlo Debs]

How about however much they are prepared to.spend on tax cuts or let people ( generally their mates and donors) get away with fraud and tax evasion. That isn't even counting what is lost keeping open.loopholes for tax avoidance. You cannot on the one one hand as peraon who agrees with right wing economics criticise waste but then turn a blind eye to.it when being done by those you support..

[riosleftsock]

Debs You seem to suggest we should spend more of our tax take on the NHS than we do currently. What percentage of total income tax receipts should we dedicate to NHS funding?

[Lee Trundle]

"Darlo Debs 10:57 Mon Jan 8 It's been the same shitness for the 40 odd years I've been on this planet. You think it's political. It's not. It's the way the NHS is set up. It needs to be totally rebuilt. Throwing even more money at it, in it's current guise is completely pointless."

[Ron Eff]

"The NHS isn’t underfunded, it’s woefully managed."

[Darlo Debs]

"No I haven't confused it at all.....if we hadn't wasted billions on letting people get away with Covid fraud, the Test & Trace system, and god knows how much on corrupt deals for what turned out to be useless PPE that we are now having to pay to hav e stored and destroyed, that could have been used not only to pay junior doctors properly but invest in better social care to ease the burden on the NHS. Also 7bn is about to be wasted on inheritance tax cuts to buy the votes of daft buggers that probably won't even benefit from.it. All money we can be using to do much better things with."

[Darlo Debs]

"No I haven't confused it at all.....if we hadn't wasted billions on letting people get away with Covid fraud, the Test & Trace system, and god knows how much on corrupt deals for what turned out to be useless PPE that we are now having to pay to hav e stored and destroyed, that could have been used not only to pay junior doctors properly but invest in better social care to ease the burden on the NHS. Also 7bn is about to be wasted on inheritance tax cuts to buy the votes of daft buggers that probably won't even benefit from.it. All money we can be using to do much better things with."

[riosleftsock]

"You seem to be confusing the ever-rising cost of the NHS with other tax issues that are unrelated. It is not a binary choice between our NHS and the US system, there are many different models to look at, no other country has chosen to adopt the NHS model."

[Darlo Debs]

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[Darlo Debs]

Lee of its shits it because its been underfunded in real.terms for years....but hang on didn't your precious Brexit mob promise it more money?

[Darlo Debs]

I am.one of those tax payers Rios and I am far happier to have my tax payer puund spent on a good quality public health service than it being spent on tax cuts for the already wealthy or dodgy contracts given to friends of Tory party donors. You seem.to be missing tbe point re health insurance. It often doesn't cover tbe cost of the care needed. You don't need to worry about that with tbe NHS.

[Lee Trundle]

"The only thing the NHS has literally got left going for it, is the fact you're not worrying about how you're paying for it's utterly shit service. It's crazy in this day and age how you can go get your hair cut on a sunday, women can go get their nails done on a sunday, but you can't see you GP on a sunday if you're ill. It's fucking shit. But yeah, it's FREE."

[riosleftsock]

"""Last week I had to have a CT scan, a lumbar puncture and am.awaiting an MRI scan. God knows what all that would have cost plus a nights stay in hospital."" Probably less than it cost the taxpayer to do it through the NHS, and if you had insurance, it would have cost you nothing. The Germans and French manage perfectly well with a hybrid health system. Although they have both been under strain in recent years for some obscure reason that only far-right extreme people seem to be able to name."

[Darlo Debs]

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[Darlo Debs]

"Right now I am thanking Christ we don't have the kind of system.Hermit hankers for. I'd find getting health insurance very expensive if I could afford it at all, and then there is no guarantee it will cover all your costs. Last week I had to have a CT scan, a lumbar puncture and am.awaiting an MRI scan. God knows what all that would have cost plus a nights stay in hospital. I don't want to live in a country where people are too scared of what their care will cost and fund themselves asking not to be taken to hospital when they clearly need medical attention."

[Mad Dog]

Myra Hindley? Though I'm a fine one to talk. I look like Bruce the shark off finding nemo

[joyo]

"Chimney who do you look like then? Fred West,Harold Shipman or Ian Brady?"

[chim chim cha boo]

"...and I am not even threatening you. There are a good few people I've met down the years from here and we've not agreed on a single word of politics and we've bought each other beers and generally had a decent time together. Obviously they are just a bit misguided and not worth hitting with a bar stool. Hopefully they think the same about me. Don't get me wrong, I do look like a murderer but I'm really not. I'm just a bloke who wants to see society a bit more evenly spread. I just fucking hate that American thing of 'it's every man for himself' mentality'. We're better than that"