‚ö? West Ham v Everton - Official Match Thread

[charleyfarley]

. ........... V London Stadium 29th Oct 2023 13:00 VAR Simon Hooper Stuart Attwell: (12) - 42 2 Awaiting team news Awaiting team news West Ham 21/20: Draw 11/4: Everton 23/10

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Why was JWP not taking corners yesterday?

[Boycie]

just go and buy Calvert Lewin

[RdUeSpSrEeLsLsed]

"Russ of the BML 11:16 Mon Oct 30 Nice post. It‚Äôs clear to me that we are now reverting to the team of last year, players don‚Äôt look like they‚Äôre enjoying their football. My biggest worry is if it‚Äôs Sullivan to bring in the next manager, I know he has a DOF but whilst managers like Steve Bruce are still out there ?üò?. Mind you has Benitez got a job yet, he‚Äôd be the short term appointment that‚Äôs loved."

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I agree that picking out individuals is unfair insofar as collectively we are putting in performances that are worse than the sum of our individual parts. One thing that is happening is that where we were taking our sparse chances we are now missing them.

[stewie griffin]

"yeah agreed, onsideman, and felt a little wrong to respond to that post in that way, but it was just the last post on the thread - wasn't disagreeing as such, i do think we missed |Emerson getting forward, but individually speaking, Cresswell was probably one of our least worst."

[onsideman]

Russ of the BML 11:28 Mon Oct 30 Unfortunately not. Suspensions for 5 yellows are competition- specific so they both miss Brentford

[onsideman]

"stewie griffin 11:06 Mon Oct 30 Tough to argue with any of that, however without Emerson's energy in supporting and overlapping, the stupidity of playing (and keeping) Pacqueta on the left was so obvious as to be incredible."

[Russ of the BML]

"Rossal 11:25 Mon Oct 30 ""Alvarez shots were laughable."" True. Utterly shocking for a top pro. And they are suspended for the Arsenal game. Back for Brentford thank fuck. That's an almighty game now."

[Rossal]

"Awful performance. The usual shit when a shit team turns up, start off quick then slowly drop down to their level and have absolutely no answers when we have more of the ball and have to break them down. Pass the ball soooooo slowly side to side and then a shit clip forward and just give the ball back to them. Repeat that for about 75-80 mins yesterday. Alvarez and Coufal were shocking, those 2 Alvarez shots were laughable. Benny when he came on was useless, looks a few kg overweight. Cresswell doesnt look like he cares. Aguerd and Zouma look shaky as fuck. JWP isnt brave enough on the ball and Paqueta is getting stuck in every position apart from the one where he looks fucking mustard. We look a mess, can't see anything but 2 defeats from the next 2, especially if Alvarez and Paqueta are missing for Brentford.... or is it weds that they are suspended?"

[Russ of the BML]

BRANDED 11:21 Mon Oct 30 Sorry. Just reeling my thoughts off.

[BRANDED]

Russ. Exactly as I see it. I just wanted a bit of brevity.

[Russ of the BML]

"Find myself in an unusual place this morning. Obviously completely aware of the big picture. And I am not the biggest fan of Moyes. But I do feel yesterday the blame was more on the players than Moyes if you take this game in isolation. We were so wasteful with possession. Early on, Paqueta played a neat chip pass over for Bowen who only had to clip it in but he lacked composure and got nothing on it. Antonio also, quite early ball was cut back and he only needs to direct it in but stutters, tries to control it, and it gets cleared. Bowen again, first half, ball is cut back and instead of hitting it he clips it and it goes nowhere. The second half a neat ball in from JWP finds Bowen at back post and his diving header goes flying over the bar. Kudus, Alavarez and Paqueta all on the end of cut backs only to fire wide or high. Kudus bulldozed his way through to six yards out and only has to pass it in and hits it straight at Pickford. Defensively we looked comfortable. Our two mistakes saw DCL turn and lose his man and fire home and the other was a mix up which Areola made a great save to deny Decourre. But generally Areola's kicking was fucking woeful and alot of his kicks were ballooning up and floating rather than being hit upfield. And in fact there goal came from one of his shitty kicks. We got the ball into a some very good positions. But without a real focal point up front (like DCL) we lacked composure and an edge. So many times we got round the back and cut the ball back for it to be wasted with a poor effort or nobody on the end of it. Problem is, what's the answer? Moyes has started Kudus. He's pulled Antonio from the the game early. He dropped Soucek. In last two games he's given Benny playing time. All of the things that the fans demanded. And we still can't beat a very ordinary Everton team at home. The game yesterday was summed up perfectly by the radio presenter listening on the way home when he said ""Today - Moyes was Out-Moyesed'. And he was. Dyche knew exactly what he was doing. They let us have the ball. And by god what did it prove? Quite clearly that all these amazing superstars that we want let off the leash and to play can't do it anyway. They're obviously not as good as we think they are. Bowen, Paqueta, Kudus, Benrahma, JWP.... All given the lions share of the ball and can't do a fucking thing with it. They lacked guile, composure and direction. And lets not take anything away from Everton. They know they are ordinary. And they play to it. They looked tight, compact, hard working and very physical. They defended quite high and put pressure on our boys to play well. And we didn't. I'm not stupid. I know the back story. I know the bigger picture. I've been very critical of Moyes and can see his short-comings virtually every game. I know that the heat for the last three games will be on him. Rightly so. You earn the money and you take the can. But looking at this game in isolation the players must be blamed. Yes, pushing Paqueta up front was daft. Bringing Ings on was a waste of time against six foot 5 defenders. But I am afraid the players pushed Moyes into those decisions with such a desperately poor attacking performance. So what for the next game? Does he keep Soucek on the bench? Does he drop Antonio to the bench? Where is Mubama? Bigger picture is, why did we not buy a striker in the summer? Why is Moyes persisting on playing Paqueta out of position? It's very clear that Moyes fails to adapt and integrate players. This squad isn't evolving into something new. It's just new players playing the old way. You've only got to look at Spurs and Villa to see what a decent manager can achieve. Both squads completely transformed under new managers. Things are looking grim. Moyes must take responsibility. He must energise this squad. If he doesn't then its history repeating itself and our decent start will be a distant memory. With so much supposed talent at his disposal, how long does this go on? Sullivan may have a decision to make sooner rather than later. And this time he needs to make the right decision."

[BRANDED]

"Slow, ponderous and predictable play against a well drilled Everton defence. I never thought they'd score but I never thought we would have in a month of Sundays. We do need an alternative to hoping a dead ball play will get us a goal."

[stewie griffin]

"don't disagree that Cresswell is done necessarily, but thought he was just about the least of our problems yesterday. The two centre backs were atrocious, Paqueta had an off day (although still looked our most likely), JWP has had all of his early season form trained out of him and been converted to a 34 year old Noble role of just making 5 yard passes, Bowen did nothing, Kudus looked decent but flattered to deceive, Antonio was fucking awful, and Benrahma was - as usual - dogshit. Could probably go through the rest of them as well before i landed on cresswell."

[dealcanvey]

Looks to me like history repeating itself. Strong start with the rest of the season being below average. Everton surrendered possession and we did not know what to do with the ball. Thought Emerson was a big miss. Cresswell has been a great servant to this club but he is done. He could not get up the pitch nor get back. Why we bought Ings I do not know. Even when we are losing Moyes would rather bring Soucek on. Clearly doesn’t rate him at all. Nor does he want to use Mubama. So we are stuck with Antonio until atleast January playing everyweek with the odd attempt at playing a midfielder there. No Paqueta or Alvarez for the next game. Things are looking up…

[british is best]

I see the dwarf has told camp Sean . That the 6 game losses on the trot malarkey is still in effect . What a way to run a football club. Nothing at this club will improve while he continues to run the show .

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Only saw the last 50 minutes or so and the insipid performance all over the pitch, together with the totally expected nature of the defeat, was truly disheartening. Alarm bells should be blaring throughout the club now as there is no hope of a turnaround with this manager still in place. Short-term is only worse with Paqueta and ?Ålvarez suspended - I‚Äôm afraid the rot has well and truly set in."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Only saw the last 50 minutes or so and the insipid performance all over the pitch, together with the totally expected nature of the defeat, was truly disheartening. Alarm bells should be blaring throughout the club now as there is no hope of a turnaround with this manager still in place. Short-term is only worse with Paqueta and ?Ålvarez suspended - I‚Äôm afraid the rot has well and truly set in."

[Stevethehammer]

"Problem is Moyes is used to doing things on a shoestring budget that he still thinks the same way. Again spending near on £250 million in 2 years and still playing like a team that hasn't got much to spend and need to dig in, grind our results etc isn't my idea of forward thinking and a club on the up. He did well to make us hard to beat, now we don't even have that. It's all lethargic, no urgency to get the ball forward, hit and hope type of football that isnt worth watching. As I've said I will support this club till the day I die but I can support it, support the team, but have reservations about the way we play."

[nychammer]

"""I’m amazed that he still has people defending him after all the shit he serves up week in week out."" its SO fucking annoying. YES, on paper for a club with our pitiful history he's been somewhat of a success. But we've also had SO MANY days like today in the past year AND we've spent god knows how much to just stand still. That Euro victory, the one we fucking well should have won and the one I expect Villa to win at a canter AND finish top 6, has totally papered over the gaping cracks of an otherwise disjointed outfit. Based on today we're fortunate to have 3 clearer contenders for the drop. We do need to get rid. This season may as well be written off, we need to be looking to life after Moyes NOW and who can come in and get a tune out of this lot."

[wils]

"Fans singing""Are you watching Declan Rice"" seems like an age ago"

[threesixty]

"What’s sad is that I don’t think I ever watch a West Ham game thinking with any confidence that we can beat anyone in this league. I used to have that feeling that season when we finished 6th, and up until jan on the next season. Since then I just have anxiety every fucking game. Doesn’t matter if it’s the bottom team where playing against. We’ve spent a lot. More than our peers. And to be fair to Moyes, he knows how to run a club in terms of discipline etc. it’s a calm club now. Bonkers stuff is not happening. Players aren’t taking the piss etc I like what he’s done for the club. But coaching wise.. for fucks sake, just stop. Get someone else in. Do what fergie did and just get someone to actually take training and Moyes can do the high level managing stuff. Coaching wise he’s from another era. That’s why Wharburton left. He just doesn’t know what he’s doing in this era. It’s not being unlucky. He’s lost way too many PL matches over the last few years. And the way he loses them is wild. 1 shot at home? Are you high?"

[Steady]

"First match for me this season. First of all, Everton look a poor side, quite hard to break down but very little quality in midfield or up front. We looked to be lacking in confidence. Too many balls played sideways than forward, very little movement or quality from us. Bowen looked quiet by his standards and had the best chance in the first half. Paqueta showed glimpses but faded second half. Kudus I thought was quality, very skilful. Ref was a shi* cun* who let some of their snide fouls go. Summary - Tactics too negative, players look very short of confidence and we are crying out for a decent striker. The bottom 4 in this league are so poor that there’s no chance of us having to worry about relegation. But the season could start to be over before it’s even begun. Can’t see us winning v Arsenal midweek or Brentford without Paq and Alvarez. Moyes will then be under big pressure. Feels like he and we will plod along this season and he’ll be gone end of the season when his contract runs out."

[chelmsfordhammer]

Jwp definitely seems to be sitting deeper. Another tactical masterclass from our manager.

[lincslink]

We have some very talented players but no one at the club knows how to coach or get the best out of them.