Potter Out

[THUNDERCLINT]

Had enough of this arogrant no mark now.  

11 games, 27% win ratio and 0.66 goals per game.

Either the break clause is true or this flake quits otherwise were proper fucked.

[eusebiovic]

He's doing what he can with a disjointed aging squad of players with a lack of pace and mobility. The half decent players have been frequently injured or unfit.

I knew it was going to be a bit drab when he took over but take a long hard look at what he's working with. What does anybody expect? Yes, a fortune was spent in the summer but as usual it was very badly spent.

Hopefully things will look better after the summer. I do think Potts and Earthly might step up but let's see how things go. I haven't written off Luis Guillerme either. 

Our club is badly run on the playing staff side but who's that down to? We all know the answer. It always comes full circle.

[honky cat]

Good article this from Jacob S.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -lopetegui

"a club as excitable as West Ham"

[stubbo]

Good article this from Jacob S.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -lopetegui

[Pshyco scored all 4]

IL judge potter when he has his own players through the door. He  realises the clubs main problem is having 12 players aged over 30 . Until then he deserves patience.

[honky cat]

I think Potter being safe/boring/limp wristed etc etc would buy players that fit into regular  team formations. Not some incomprehensible moyesball system that worked a treat for a season and a half, with a limited pool of suitable players. Or jlop who just spent £40m on the only person in the world that didnt hate him, and his slow spanish mates.

[Manuel]

So what do you suggest we do then? Don't buy anyone?

No, I'm not saying that. Just that there should be a longer term plan in mind. If the board aren't sure who or what type of manager comes in next then they ought to be careful of the players they bring in now, rather than just whoever Potter decides he wants.

Say he wants to spend a lot of money on an attacking left wing back (which he probably will) and say he picks one who's great for that role but would be completely useless as a full back or inverted winger under most managers, then that signing will be yet another albatross who'll be sat on the bench on big wages or sold for half his value.

Of course, the same sort of thing is true of every manager, but especially so if the manager wants to play an unusual formation or has a "unique" style of play. And it's even more true if the manager will almost certainly be sacked next autumn/winter unless things change massively from what we've seen so far under him.

Fair points. Based on nothing more than gut feeling I think we are going to be bringing in some good players this summer and getting rid of a lot of dross including the dad's army who are out of contract. Mildly optimistic we are going to have a much better side come August. I've knocked Potter myself and haven't been that impressed, like most, but at the same time don't think he's a total charlatan and happy to see what he comes up with.

[Keep dreaming]

I'm confident that Potter will take up a notch from what we have endures the last 5 years.
I'm also confident he will contribute to bring in players with a general higher standard that what we have brought in lately.

ATS always a gamble with managers and players, but what is the alternative to stick and give him some time to give it a go? Something in between will always be a fuck up!

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

So what do you suggest we do then? Don't buy anyone?

No, I'm not saying that. Just that there should be a longer term plan in mind. If the board aren't sure who or what type of manager comes in next then they ought to be careful of the players they bring in now, rather than just whoever Potter decides he wants.

Say he wants to spend a lot of money on an attacking left wing back (which he probably will) and say he picks one who's great for that role but would be completely useless as a full back or inverted winger under most managers, then that signing will be yet another albatross who'll be sat on the bench on big wages or sold for half his value.

Of course, the same sort of thing is true of every manager, but especially so if the manager wants to play an unusual formation or has a "unique" style of play. And it's even more true if the manager will almost certainly be sacked next autumn/winter unless things change massively from what we've seen so far under him.

[Maverick180180]

This whole thing about "give him time" and "bring in the players he wants" is all very well, but if he brings in a bunch of players who fit in his preferred formation and style what happens when he inevitably gets the sack?

His preferred setup is the 343 box, which means attacking wingbacks/wingers playing on their "normal" side, 2 CDMs and 2 CAMs. There'll be no place for inverted wingers like Bowen so he'll probably carry on his dismal form under Potter if he's not sold.

This is all fine if there's a succession plan in place where the next manager will play a similar setup (eg Amorim) but does anyone really believe that's the case? More likely we'll end up with a manager who favours the much more typical 4231/433 and then we'll have another big squad rebuild on our hands.

 

 

There would be a plan but unfortunately it’s the same one Sullivan always goes for, an out of work manager on the cheap who once managed a big club. That’s all he cares about.
Also not helped by a fan base that are in complete denial about how bad Potter really is, and want to give him as much time as possible not because they truly believe in him but because they don’t want us to come across as a joke club who keeps sacking managers, when in reality we are a joke club cos we’re run so badly that all of this could of been avoided twice if the cսnt in charge would just pay to release one of the several great managers who currently work in the premier league at clubs that aren’t any bigger than West Ham and we could realistically get.

[Manuel]

This whole thing about "give him time" and "bring in the players he wants" is all very well, but if he brings in a bunch of players who fit in his preferred formation and style what happens when he inevitably gets the sack?

His preferred setup is the 343 box, which means attacking wingbacks/wingers playing on their "normal" side, 2 CDMs and 2 CAMs. There'll be no place for inverted wingers like Bowen so he'll probably carry on his dismal form under Potter if he's not sold.

This is all fine if there's a succession plan in place where the next manager will play a similar setup (eg Amorim) but does anyone really believe that's the case? More likely we'll end up with a manager who favours the much more typical 4231/433 and then we'll have another big squad rebuild on our hands.

So what do you suggest we do then? Don't buy anyone?

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

This whole thing about "give him time" and "bring in the players he wants" is all very well, but if he brings in a bunch of players who fit in his preferred formation and style what happens when he inevitably gets the sack?

His preferred setup is the 343 box, which means attacking wingbacks/wingers playing on their "normal" side, 2 CDMs and 2 CAMs. There'll be no place for inverted wingers like Bowen so he'll probably carry on his dismal form under Potter if he's not sold.

This is all fine if there's a succession plan in place where the next manager will play a similar setup (eg Amorim) but does anyone really believe that's the case? More likely we'll end up with a manager who favours the much more typical 4231/433 and then we'll have another big squad rebuild on our hands.

[THUNDERCLINT]

His comment today that Fullkrug will be assessed, fuck off you miserable twat. He is again setting us up to play a containing game with no focal point in attack. I'm sick to death of him wedging people in positions alien to them 

Yep, he has been saying this same thing in his pre match pressers for weeks now, about Ferguson too. I'm beginning to really dislike this limp wristed cսnt. You can just imagine him going home after training and doing the washing up and peeling the potato's.

While his missus is upstairs getting reamed by Todd Boehly and Karen Brady is pegging him.

[Russ of the BML]

His comment today that Fullkrug will be assessed, fuck off you miserable twat. He is again setting us up to play a containing game with no focal point in attack. I'm sick to death of him wedging people in positions alien to them 

Yep, he has been saying this same thing in his pre match pressers for weeks now, about Ferguson too. I'm beginning to really dislike this limp wristed cսnt. You can just imagine him going home after training and doing the washing up and peeling the potato's.

You are right. Not sure if you recall a few weeks ago I said after losing to Newcastle at home that he was starting to come across as a bit of a loser. I said he does seem quite comfortable with a loss and rolls out the standard patter about balance, making good decisions, being best versions of ourselves.... I mean, I get it, I know he's not going to stand there and go "Look, I am struggling, the squad is shit and the boys were shit" but it just all seems a little bit namby pamby for me.... A bit too comfortable. As you said 'limp wristed'. 

Not sure he has it in him to call a player out for being lazy or shit. Not sure he's got a bollocking in him. I know he certainly won't be kicking football boots at players heads. 

Very tough situation all round. Has he shown enough to convince us he is the right man? Not for me. But has he been dealt a bad hand? Yes. I know we keep saying it, but he does need time. He needs a window and a pre-season. The real judgement from me will come at Christmas. I think that will be enough time for him to integrate his new signings and start to show what his methods are and how productive / efficient they are. 

And before you shoot me down again about Christmas, I would say obviously that is if we are having a good to average season - If we are struggling from the off then its doubtful he will make October. 

[Texas Iron]

Judge him by results…

…and quality of football…

Not impressed so far…

Poor man’s Southgate…

[eusebiovic]

Just imagine if we were a properly run club with genuine ambition and shrewd acquisition in the transfer market.

This summer we could get free of charge 

Jonathan Tah (Leverkusen)
Tyrick Mitchell (Palace)
Angel Gomes (Lille)
Jonathan David (Lille)

Then you could probably sign Delap from Ipswich or Cherki from Lyon or Etikte from Frankfurt - players we were constantly linked with at a cheaper price for the best part of two fuckin' years.

Still, I'm enjoying a nice pint in The Blue Maid on Borough High Street so it could be worse.

Yea, all the ''properly run clubs with genuine ambition'' are going to snap up all of them players, it's so frustrating!

Why don't you apply for Steitden's job instead of posting bollocks and getting yourself all excited from a pub on a Friday afternoon and be our saviour. Bless.

Sorry Manny, Have the Orelly men arrived yet?

[El Scorchio]

He has been very cautious with bringing players back after injury. Todibo hasn't done the full 90 yet has he?
I'm torn. I want to see Fullkrug start on Sunday because he's clearly the best striker at the club and we are better with him for a number of reasons with and without the ball, but what's the point if he's likely to get injured again? We all saw what happened against Villa. Especially in a match with such a low likely return. I would rather see him get at Southampton and spurs if it came down to it. 

Ferguson can do one though. Bloke has brought nothing whatsoever to the table since he's been here. Looked utterly piss poor every time when he's come on. Don't care if he doesn't get another minute. We're almost better off playing the extra midfielder than him. Something odd going on with that bloke.

[Manuel]

His comment today that Fullkrug will be assessed, fuck off you miserable twat. He is again setting us up to play a containing game with no focal point in attack. I'm sick to death of him wedging people in positions alien to them 

Yep, he has been saying this same thing in his pre match pressers for weeks now, about Ferguson too. I'm beginning to really dislike this limp wristed cսnt. You can just imagine him going home after training and doing the washing up and peeling the potato's.

[Manuel]

Just imagine if we were a properly run club with genuine ambition and shrewd acquisition in the transfer market.

This summer we could get free of charge 

Jonathan Tah (Leverkusen)
Tyrick Mitchell (Palace)
Angel Gomes (Lille)
Jonathan David (Lille)

Then you could probably sign Delap from Ipswich or Cherki from Lyon or Etikte from Frankfurt - players we were constantly linked with at a cheaper price for the best part of two fuckin' years.

Still, I'm enjoying a nice pint in The Blue Maid on Borough High Street so it could be worse.

Yea, all the ''properly run clubs with genuine ambition'' are going to snap up all of them players, it's so frustrating!

Why don't you apply for Steitden's job instead of posting bollocks and getting yourself all excited from a pub on a Friday afternoon and be our saviour. Bless.

[eusebiovic]

Just imagine if we were a properly run club with genuine ambition and shrewd acquisition in the transfer market.

This summer we could get free of charge 

Jonathan Tah (Leverkusen)
Tyrick Mitchell (Palace)
Angel Gomes (Lille)
Jonathan David (Lille)

Then you could probably sign Delap from Ipswich or Cherki from Lyon or Etikte from Frankfurt - players we were constantly linked with at a cheaper price for the best part of two fuckin' years.

Still, I'm enjoying a nice pint in The Blue Maid on Borough High Street so it could be worse.

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

I was watching a documentary about Jurgen Klopps last season at Liverpool and it showed how his career started as a player etc etc but what was interesting was that he joined mid season and the results were indifferent and the supporters were calling for his head but he was given time to mould the side into HIS side and he got rid of a lot of the Brendan Rogers players.

We need to give Potter time.

Ridiculous comparison really. The season Klopp took over they showed a clear improvement as a team and in their style of play. They might have only climbed a couple of positions up the table, but he also got them to the finals of the League cup and Europe League. If Scouse fans wanted rid it's probably because the arrogant pricks thought they should be winning everything, despite only finishing 6th-8th every season but one during the 6 years before Klopp came on board, and only being cup finalists one year out of the previous 8.

We, on the other hand, have not improved at all really. We've actually gone down the table, winning less, scoring less. A bit more pressing; a lot more defending; a lot less shots on goal; slower, drearier football... 

[Mike Oxsaw]

His comment today that Fullkrug will be assessed, fuck off you miserable twat. He is again setting us up to play a containing game with no focal point in attack. I'm sick to death of him wedging people in positions alien to them 

..."wedging people in positions alien to them ".

Hasn't every manager since we were saved from certain administration done exactly that?

There's a common management level thread running through that time-line but I just can't put my finger on it.

[El Scorchio]

He is carried by the team like you would a great goals orer of yesteryear. Examples might be Cottee, Clive Allen, Fowler etc, would have 10 touches of the ball in many games but score one or two goals so no worries.

Problem with Soucek is he aint scoring 20 goals a season but im our squad scoring 5-10 a season gets him in as the bar is so much lower. He actually gets the chances but misses over half of them. To be fair in Moyes low block, 30% possession tactics he was a good fit as his aerial strength and ability to get in last ditch, defensive blocks was far more important.  

At 30 and still with a sale value, the smart thing is to sell him asap. No room for sentimentality. He has been a good buy but if we want to fix central midfield, the weakest area in the squad, its a no brainer, sell him this summer to get funds.  The only caviat is that now Sullivan is back negotiatimg deals, I have a feeling we wont get many of Potters targets and end up with worse options, old and slow from as Salthouse, Silkman and co look to get a last gig for aging clients on their books who have a great past reputation. Sullivan always, I repeat always, avoid young uns, both players and managers, and will unzip for a player nearing or in his 30s that once played for a successful Champs league side.  “Razzle dazzle” is back !!!

Agree- we really should look to sell him now while his value is relatively high and there will almost certainly be a man on Merseyside enquiring after him. Possibly a few clubs on the continent as well. One of only a handful we could get decent wedge for and he won't leave a gaping hole in the team. It's time to move on.

For me, 39 goals in 239 games isn't a bad return for a midfielder, and whatever his merits and limitation's great servant and seems like a top bloke. I'd wish him well, and if we sell him for a profit as well, then he's been good business for us.

[Takashi Miike]

klopp had already won the german league twice, a german cup and runner up in the champions league. this cսnt averaged just over a goal a game in brighton, yes give him time

[LeroysBoots]

His comment today that Fullkrug will be assessed, fuck off you miserable twat. He is again setting us up to play a containing game with no focal point in attack. I'm sick to death of him wedging people in positions alien to them 

[twoleftfeet]

I was watching a documentary about Jurgen Klopps last season at Liverpool and it showed how his career started as a player etc etc but what was interesting was that he joined mid season and the results were indifferent and the supporters were calling for his head but he was given time to mould the side into HIS side and he got rid of a lot of the Brendan Rogers players.

We need to give Potter time.