Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Nagel]

"Lee, I agree we should have upgraded on Cresswell a long time back. Trouble is, we didn't. We wasted £13m on someone who's barely an upgrade on Masuaku. Personally wish we took that money and some of that spent on Kehrer and Paqueta and bought two really quality full backs. I reckon Sullivan probably wouldn't sanction any big money deals on a full back though, because some people don't think they matter as much as the other positions. In the last 20 years whenever we've been faced with a relegation battle it's always been the full backs who make or break it. Under Roeder we'd have stayed up if Schemmel hadn't lost his form completely or if Johnson and Brevett had been introduced earlier. Under Curbs it was the introduction of Lucas Neill and McCartney that helped us stay up. Under Avram Illunga had turned to utter shit and Wayne Bridge proved no better. Etc. etc. As it is now, the best out of a bunch of really bad options would probably be Ben Johnson at LB and Coufal at RB (although told to stop wasting his time crossing to nobody)."

[Eerie Descent]

"The most worrying thing for me, of it all, is we've not played well for 90 minutes in any match this season. I don't think any of our wins have been convincing, Villa outplayed us but we got a flukey goal, Wolves it was pretty even but they had no striker to give us any problems, Fulham played us off the park till our first goal, and hit the bar at 0-1, and against Bournemouth we got 2 of the worst decisions you'll ever see go for us. It is absolutely astounding how bad we've been, given the money spent, 3rd (THIRD) highest spenders on the planet FFS. It is scandalous how the man has kept his job."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Eerie - I agree, mate. I do think there are several poor sides around us. But under Moyes right now we are just as poor as them - no question. If we don't take four points from Wolves and Everton - with Newcastle, Chelsea and Spurs to come immediately after that - we will be in serious trouble as get towards March. So, yep, I think we're relegation candidates (one of several) at this stage. We've taken 15 points from the first (almost) half of the season. Way we're playing at the moment, I can't see us getting 25 more points to make the 'magical' 40 during the second half of the season."

[Lee Trundle]

"... and considering I've been going on 2 years about us buying a left back to replace Cresswell, I know full well it's a problem position of ours."

[Lee Trundle]

"Nagel 3:49 Fri Jan 6 Who would you play from our current squad at left back? You can't pick Cresswell without his zimmer frame, only with."

[Eerie Descent]

"Southbank, to be fair, a few of us were pointing out exactly what you're saying back in September/October. None of this should now be a revelation to anyone. As for what you said earlier about worse teams than us, I think you're scraping the barrel. Southampton look gone, but Wolves I think look solid under the new manager, and Everton will twist soon. I've got a hunch their new manager will be Potter. As for Leeds, we were very lucky to get a point. Bournemouth will probably go. But make no mistake, unless we make the change quick, I think we'll drop."

[factory seconds]

"now we've established we're in the shit and given up on any apsiration to push on this season it's all win win for moyes from here out. if we stick with him and he scrapes us to a 15th place finish he'll be heralded for ""turning it around"". ""i saved this club twice before so naturally i was the best person to do it again"". if we fire him and scrape our way to 15th he'll take the credit for building a ""resiliant team"" and will state ""no, i don't think we were ever in a relegation battle. it seems in football these days there's no patience. i had similar seasons with everton which if you remember which we always bounced back from"". if we leave it too late, fire him and go down, he'll take great satisfaction in stating the two times before that he ""saved us"", ""it was a mad decision to sack me that i think you'll agree that they've come to regret""."

[Nagel]

"While I agree that our players are better than our position suggests, Emerson is a poor example. Never rated him before he came and he's been a passenger at best in the games he has played. As for those stats about his LB starts, let's not forget that in the single game that we won he was hooked at half time when it was still 0-0."

[Meerkat]

Can we get a new manager in please . Maybe then I can put a West Ham player in my Fantasy Football team üòÉ

[southbankbornnbred]

"Exactly. And that's just one example. These players may not be world-beaters, but they are certainly better than 17th in the Premier League. Moyes - and his lack of flexibility and tactical acumen - is now the problem. We can all see it. He had a Plan A when he returned and it worked well for 18 months. Then it was rumbled and he hasn't had a Plan B so far."

[Lee Trundle]

*Emerson *He barely played anywhere else but left back for Chelsea.

[Lee Trundle]

"The times Everson has started at LB, we've won 1 (Villa - only away win all season), drew against the yids, and would have drawn against Chelsea if the referee and VAR weren't so shit. He barely played anywhere us but left back for Chelsea. Moyes doesn't know what he's doing with him."

[southbankbornnbred]

"If you told any incoming manager that his potential left-back was Italy's #2, then they'd probably be quite pleased. But it hasn't worked out for Emerson since he joined. The question is why."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Emerson, for example, is not a bad player. He's not a great. But he was an Italy international who played very well in the Euros final - against a decent England side. There's a decent player in there somewhere. But having spent £15m on him, Moyes doesn't seem to trust him to play to HIS system. Which is the system that is now failing."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Our biggest problem is not the players, though: it IS the manager. Moyes' tactics are hopelessly out of date and his Plan A, which was effective for 18 months, has been rumbled. He relied on the hard-running, fast-breaking approach that gave us two good league finishes when teams didn't know how to deal with the version of Michail Antonio at his best, and the hard-running and off-the-ball work of the likes of Soucek. Then the opposition analysts worked out that the problem with the likes of Soucek (and others) is their lack of ability on the ball when under pressure. So everybody now employs the Gegenpress against us - a system that preys on the technical weaknesses of hard-runners like Soucek while pinning back our wide players into defensive positions. Moyes has no answer to that, as yet. He hasn't found a way for West Ham to counter the basic high-press everybody now uses in the Premier League. Sure, we have a few areas of weakness player-wise. But the bigger improvement will come from a manager/head coach who can modernise the way we play. This is what people mean when they say Moyes is a one-dimensional dinosaur who lacks tactical flexibility."

[violator]

Russ of the BML 11:40 Fri Jan 6 Spot on mate!

[Sir Alf]

"Central defence of Aguerd and Zouma should hopefully help but we still need to fix problems at full back / wing back, up front ( striker) and in midfield. The first two areas need a foray into the transfer market to get pacey strong full back ( right or left ) and equally pacey / strong striker who can finish better than Antonio ( not hard ). Midfield may be fixable with what we have. He needs to try Downes for Soucek and get Fornals in central areas."

[OneAll]

"with aguerd back and hopefully soon zouma i can see us being so much better , but moyes has still been shit this season nonetheless"

[Westham67]

"We played better with less players and less options. We started for fade at the end of last season. I was hoping Moyes could get a tune out of the new players we have got in but he has done Man U and not used them anywhere near their full potential . You can see the confidence leaking out of them every game we lose, He has to go Bielsa would be my choice"

[simon.s]

"lowlife 12:54 Fri Jan 6 Can't help feeling that tomorrow is a free hit for Moyes should we lose. Hope I'm wrong, but I think the only owner who probably did care about the cup, was Gold. It's a nothing game to the other two, and of course Moyes himself."

[Eerie Descent]

"""Wolves are very shaky"" Do they? Not when I've watched them recently."

[lowlife]

"I can't see us doing anything in the FA Cup this year, so hope that if we get beaten (I expect we will) it will be a humiliating one that will see the end of Moyes. That's how desperate I am for him to go - I never want us to lose but for the good of the team and players this twat needs to be sacked."

[JayeMPee]

"Pity the Poll doesn't show how many have voted, after all 89% of 100 is hardly likely to influence anyone"

[Lee Trundle]

Only 11% based on the poll over there ‚Üê and they're VERY quiet.

[Crassus]

"This is a rare thread indeed, appears to be universal agreement, for all the same reasoning Are there any of those 'give him time' cocks left from a year ago when the obvious was recognised by only the few?"