Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Sir Alf]

"brundal 8:00 Tue Dec 6 The change in the sense that Rice is now allowed to get forward I would agree. The loss of form not so much. That's as much about teams knowing our strengths and weaknesses and it started 10 months ago. For me, only my opinion, Soucek simply not good enough technically and far too slow. Great attitude, runs all day but very ineffective now teams press us so much and high. Soucek, Antonio, Coufal, Dawson, Fab ( due to inability with feet), Cresswell ( no pace) all not up to it in the first 11. Technically not good enough with control and passing at speed. I also have doubts about Johnson and Zouma but they can be neat and tidy and have strength that you do need. To play a different way and keep possession far better we need good technical players and mobility and movement all over the pitch. Moyes won't try playing the players together that supposedly he bought to improve our possession and if he has they've been played out of position. He and his coaching team do not seem to know how to set up and train / drill a team to play a different way. We are still 2 or 3 players short in the squad to play it well ( wing backs, another ball playing CB, another forward) and not knowing how to set up the team that way seems a real problem. Slow , uncertain build up and little movement and pace in the side, players out of position or just not selected to accommodate players from the old failing set up. Sullivan is only concerned about survival but sticking with Moyes in Jan will IMO be very likely to see us relegated. I have not seen 3 worse teams"

[brundal]

"Moyes has changed tactics this season which has resulted in poor form from both Soucek and Bowen , Rice has been given the freedom to push forward when Soucek was much better at last season, we also have been sat back move which means Bowen has to track back to cover the fullback more , I honestly think Sullivan has told Moyes his main job is to keep us up this season due to the possibility of selling the club , so with that in mind he's not going anywhere."

[Sir Alf]

Sadly I think you're right Russ. :-( On the subject of players losing form. Any coincidence that Bowen has regressed so badly since getting loved up? https://www.herefordtimes.com/news/23172499.disneyland-paris-dani-dyer-west-hams-jarrod-bowen/

[Russ of the BML]

Sir Alf 1:31 Tue Dec 6 A huge disconnect? By that I assume you mean no connection whatsoever. I've been going to West Ham regularly late 80's early 90's. I have never ever seen a style and ethos that dictates which type of player we buy. Our transfer business is based on the following criteria: 1) Which positions do we need to fill? 2) Who is available? 3) Are they cheap?

[Sir Alf]

"That could well be the case H&P. It's just so short termed. Really the Moyes appointment were. Brought in twice to get us out of relegation problems. His set up of teams with hard working, less technical players is a good fit and can get a team ""punching above its weight""ù. The irony is that the lockdown circumstances and surprise elements he brought to make us a good counter attacking outfit for a season and a half was over achievement to the delight and surprise of many including of course the little man who owns us but has no idea about football. Moyes also being compliant and a ""yes man""ù may also have helped. The above circumstances led to a real over estimation of Moyes abilities. I include myself in that. The club then tries to move forward and change the way it plays ( with results falling off a cliff last Feb onwards ? But firstly waits too long and then recruits technical players who pass the ball to a team that plays long on the break. This last part is where my curiosity is peaked. What was the process for recruitment. Who decided what? If Moyes had the say then it's simply insane. You cannot change a teams approach and tactics just by buying a different type of player! You have a philosophy, know how on set up, drills and training, working with the defence, midfield and forwards in groups and as individuals all towards playing a certain way. Absolutely no evidence of that. He's done, finished, busted flush, has been, dinosaur, past it."

[Texas Iron]

Boring Thread... Moyes is Finished ... Obviously...

[Hammer and Pickle]

"I have a feeling the plan is to instal Noble and phase Moyes out. If that's the case, what could possibly go wrong? üòâ"

[Rossal]

"I think the recruitment has been fine but he then surrounds them with shite/ square pegs in round holes When Scamacca and Paqueta are surrounded with Fornals LW, Soucek CDM and Downes in the no 10 I am not sure what hope anyone has. Combine that with Coufal and Cresswell at full backs then its no surprise we havent been playing to the quality signings strengths. I think all other 19 teams in the league would of sacked him before the WC break. There has been zero indication this season that he has the ability to turn things around after this long break. He has a mini break few months back and there was little change. Getting a new man in and giving him 5 weeks to input fresh ideas and impetus was surely the obvious logical option"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Sir Alf That's also the way I see it - it's almost as if circumstances have conspired to force the club to raise its standards of coaching and management to match its new asset potential. Not like it's never happened before in thousands of business cases, though is it."

[Sir Alf]

"I even hear pundits, media saying that West Ham don't play a possession game and that the players bought were successful in possession based teams. Moyes has never, I repeat ""never""ù had his teams playing that way. There is a huge disconnect in recruitment and the management / coaching of the team?"

[Come On You Irons]

"Any vaguely ambitious board would have fired Moyes already. Surely even these cautious cretins in the boardroom must see the writing is on the wall though. Moyes should be given three league games max to save his job: Arsenal (a), Brentford (h) and Leeds (a). Anything less than 6 points and he should be fired. Given Arsenal (a) is almost a write off under Moyes, there will be huge pressure on the Brentford and Leeds games should we lose to Arsenal. Failr to win any of those three games and I think the board will pull the trigger and fire him before the FA Cup game at Brentford (Noble can be put in temporary charge for that one)."

[boleyn8420]

Moyes has got in his squad current World Cup players all playing in the last 16 Starting England midfielder Starting Brazilian Midfielder Starting Moroccan Centre Back Starting Croatian Midfielder (Who he wouldn't play) Plus he has The Italian first choice centre forward and numerous other internationals to boot. And he has managed or rather mismanaged us to 1 point off a relegation spot. Fucking scandalous that he is still manager of my club or any club to be honest.

[Takashi Miike]

"rumours yesterday that the dwarf had offered another new deal to declan, the cսnt still not grasping that it's very little to do with money why so many want to fuck off"

[Sir Alf]

Nothing will change. Bad form and poor performances will continue simply because Moyes cannot change

[PwoperNaughtyButNot]

If he isnt then I'd be surprised

[13 Brentford Rd]

Any truth in the rumours that he's fallen out with Sullivan over recruitment and is on shaky ground?

[simon.s]

"Sven - I reckon he'd like a reunion with Spurs. Conte is volatile, and won't be there long term if things don't go his way. We get a proper decent manager, who really is capable of moving us forward, when we get new owners."

[Sven Roeder]

There was talk of Juventus changing managers but couldnt see Pochettino in the running If he is looking to manage in England nothing is happening at City (Pep) Man U (10 Hag) Liverpool (Klopp) Tottenham (Conte) Arsenal (Arteta) or Chelsea (Potter) Even Villa and Wolves have new managers Who is he waiting for?

[Irons10]

Sadly we are owned by dithering old age pensioners

[Pentonville]

I gotta say I saw no way he would be in a job after this break. Gutted

[Feed Me Chicken]

"Unreal they have just carried on as normal with Moyes, this break was the perfect opportunity to get someone new in with a view to freshening up the squad in the transfer window. Fucking muppet clowns!!!"

[Nagel]

"Fair enough straw. You hadn't mentioned any reasoning behind what you said, which is why the similarities were brought up. I get your point about the age thing. Personally I don't see Pochettino being in the running for any of the elite jobs. He didn't last long at PSG and the latter stage of his career at Spurs was awful. He'll be out of work for a long while if he waits for one of the really top clubs to come calling."

[the straw]

"Nagel - Bilic and Bonds are both European. What has what continent they're from got to do with it? The point is that Pochettino is 50 and is arguably in the prime years of his managerial career (age-wise) and would be in the running for any top job that came up. Pellegrini certainly wouldn't be. Pellegrini was 66 when he was appointed and had been in semi-retirement in China, his best days so obviously behind him. If you think they're the same then crack on. I don't think it would be a similar appointment at all. FWIW I hope Moyes turns it around."

[Takashi Miike]

I doubt he has an ounce of loyalty towards those cunts. didn't they block him getting another job for about six months with the severance conditions?

[Lee Trundle]

Pellegrini is arguably a bigger appointment than Pochettino.