Steidten Out

[Massive Attack]

I want this costly clueless conniving cսnt gone. We have suffered persistent injuries to expensive key signings this season, as well as others who just don't cut it against Premier League opposition, or have suspect temperaments/injury records previously known and they're all his picks. He clearly doesn't do his due diligence well enough as one of the stories of the season has been us suffering injuries to key new signings..

Fullkrug £27M - Suspect Injury History 

Todibo £34M (if avoid relegation) - Suspect Injury History/Suspect attitude problems at Barcelona 

Mavropanos £19M - Just utter dogshit (and ironically probably now out injured as well due to concussion for 10 days like Fabianski)

Alvarez £35M - Nowhere near good enough for the money we spent on him looking lost and slow as arseholes against Premier League opposition 

Kudus is just about the only costly signing that's come off that's genuine quality, although even he now has suspect temperament issues when getting himself a 5 match ban for fighting an entire Spurs Team in front of everyone. So fuck knows what he's also like behind the scenes..

Just sick of the persistent injuries to key players that has derailed our season and continues to do so on tonights evidence with Fullcrock, as well as all the unsettling bollocks behind the scenes. There's no smoke without fire and I now make that not 1 but 2 Managers in quick succession that allegedly told him to stay away from the Training Ground. It makes me wonder whether he is our Club Mole all along who has persistently leaked things out to the Media from either within the Dressing Room/Snaps with managers behind another managers back that then coincidentally get leaked at just the right time? A manager who was humiliated in the media for taking at least 2 Training sessions and possibly a 3rd on the last day he eventually got sacked and the whole thing was handled terribly which again points to Steidten and his breakdown in his 2nd relationship with a manager. And he's supposed to work with them, not against them!

On the radio yesterday when discussing Steidten someone mentioned how odd they thought it was to see him down by the players tunnel/dressing room area as well as doing interviews with TNT during the Chelsea loss earlier in the season and they thought good Technical Directors aren't seen front and centre as much as this one always appears to be. He's certainly got an impressive holiday snap collection he leaks to the media as soon as he takes them. 

The longer this season has panned out the more and more I've thought something just doesn't sit right at the Club and I genuinely think he has been at the heart of a lot of our issues. I suppose that's why it's now been known his position is under review and they're already on to him, hence why Potter swerved the Steidten question possibly knowing something we don't about him. 

Or does anyone still believe he's the right man to guide our Club making such big decisions within it?

 

[Massive Attack]

I’d like to see JWP back here. Don’t think he ever got a fair crack at it. Would have loved to see him score from a free kick too.

Yep, I thought it was a stupid decision to Loan him out for the sake of getting back £5M. He was an important member of the Squad last season and always rated him. If it was Lopetegui's decision to Loan him out then the Club need to get him back now he's gone.

It was Lopetegui's decision to ship him out on loan.


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I couldn't find anything that confirmed that, that's why I asked. And having known how much Steidten never wanted Ward-Prowse here in the firsr place, it got me wondering whether it was actually Steidtens decision to loan him out for a significant Loan fee.

We lack some quality in Midfield and would personally recall him and at least ask the question to Forest but I strongly doubt the will is there to do it in any case, especially as Steidten never rated him. He scored and assisted so many goals for us last season we miss his contribution and especially on all Set-pieces.

[stubbo]

I’d like to see JWP back here. Don’t think he ever got a fair crack at it. Would have loved to see him score from a free kick too.

Yep, I thought it was a stupid decision to Loan him out for the sake of getting back £5M. He was an important member of the Squad last season and always rated him. If it was Lopetegui's decision to Loan him out then the Club need to get him back now he's gone.

It was Lopetegui's decision to ship him out on loan. It's down to Forest whether we can get him back (both clubs have to want to end the loan)...as well as Potter having to decide if he's a player he wants back in the squad and believes he could utilise.

Personally I don't see where he would fit. He can't play 10, he can't play 6 (Potter's typical system is two 10s and two 6s). He can't play wing back.

He's just a player who doesn't really fit the system we were trying with Lopetegui, or the one Potter will look to implement.  Our best bet with JWP would be flogging him to Moyes at the end of the season. 

Leave him to sit on Forest's bench as opposed to being an ineffective squad member sitting on our bench or in our stands.

We have sooooo many central mids currently...Irving, Soler, Paqueta, Soucek, Rodriguez, Alvarez, Orford...we need to shift a couple out and get someone younger and more mobile...not being back another aged, average central midfielder that doesn't really fit.

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[Massive Attack]

I’d like to see JWP back here. Don’t think he ever got a fair crack at it. Would have loved to see him score from a free kick too.

Yep, I thought it was a stupid decision to Loan him out for the sake of getting back £5M. He was an important member of the Squad last season and always rated him. If it was Lopetegui's decision to Loan him out then the Club need to get him back now he's gone.

[lowlife]

I’d like to see JWP back here. Don’t think he ever got a fair crack at it. Would have loved to see him score from a free kick too.

[Massive Attack]

Ward-Prowse on Loan for £5M, was this the managers call or Steidtens? I ask because it was well known before we got him Steidten never wanted him and it was Moyes who rightly pushed for him at the time.

Jacob Steinberg @JacobSteinberg West Ham’s move for James Ward-Prowse off as it stands. Technical director Tim Steidten against the signing of the Southampton midfielder, who’s a key target for David Moyes #whufc6:33 PM · Aug 3, 2023

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... h-steidten

https://www.thewesthamway.com/2024/10/2 ... -steidten/

[Massive Attack]

Yeah he was.  But he still had 5 seasons previously where he was out injured for a good chunk of them.

He was never injured at Dortmund. He played three seasons regularly for them. OK, so I will take your word for it he had some injuries before that. But all players get injured at some point. I mean, Massive may have a point, but for me, paying £27m for a bloke scoring goals in the Euro's and not been injured for three seasons, doesn't really jump out at being a disastrous risk. But whatever.....

I'd have never touched him, especially giving him a 4 year contract, based on what he did at the Euro's.  I'd be looking at what he did over the course of his career where he had 5 injury hit seasons, and his only 3 good seasons he had in the top flight.

24/25 missed (so far) 23 games
20/21 missed 20 games
19/20 missed 33 games
18/19 missed 22 games
14/15 missed 18 games
12/13 missed 33 games

We both saw it the same way. He was a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off, so why fucking risk it, especially at the huge cost in wages/transfer fee/agents fee. 4 fucking years we might have to put up with the Carthorse draining on our resources at £90K+ a week. The deal was beyond braindead and to be avoided at all costs.

[Massive Attack]

Forget all the crappy deals so far, to get to mid January and STILL not have a striker sorted is gross negligence.

i don’t give a fuck who’s fault it is, the owner should have been on everyone’s arse about this during December. The moment the window opens we should have had deals lined up.

It’s an absolute joke that something so obvious & so important has just been ignored.

100%

[Sir Alf]

Russ it deflects attention from Sullivan if he does not defend Steidten. Another fall guy for Sullivan because in the end everything that happens at the club is Sullivan’s responsibility. He controls everything via the purse strings and is involved in everything. Its why we will always underachieve while Sullivan is the owner. 

[goose]

If you were DS you'd on Tim every day running up to the window.......

"Tim, how we doing on the striker front?"

"Tim, can you update me on the striker situation"

"Tim you fucking scarf wearing prick - i can see you've read my messages"

[Lee Trundle]

Forget all the crappy deals so far, to get to mid January and STILL not have a striker sorted is gross negligence.

i don’t give a fuck who’s fault it is, the owner should have been on everyone’s arse about this during December. The moment the window opens we should have had deals lined up.

It’s an absolute joke that something so obvious & so important has just been ignored.

It's been years.  We're beyond gross negligence.

That should have been TIM's first job.  To get that striker we've needed for so fucking long.  He needs to stop DMing his boyfriend Fabrizio Romano and start doing his job.

[goose]

Forget all the crappy deals so far, to get to mid January and STILL not have a striker sorted is gross negligence.

i don’t give a fuck who’s fault it is, the owner should have been on everyone’s arse about this during December. The moment the window opens we should have had deals lined up.

It’s an absolute joke that something so obvious & so important has just been ignored.

[Lee Trundle]

Fwiw, IIRC he had injuries earlier in his career but had been pretty much injury free for around three years when we bought him.

Yeah he was.  But he still had 5 seasons previously where he was out injured for a good chunk of them.

He was never injured at Dortmund. He played three seasons regularly for them. OK, so I will take your word for it he had some injuries before that. But all players get injured at some point. I mean, Massive may have a point, but for me, paying £27m for a bloke scoring goals in the Euro's and not been injured for three seasons, doesn't really jump out at being a disastrous risk. But whatever.....

I'd have never touched him, especially giving him a 4 year contract, based on what he did at the Euro's.  I'd be looking at what he did over the course of his career where he had 5 injury hit seasons, and his only 3 good seasons he had in the top flight.

24/25 missed (so far) 23 games
20/21 missed 20 games
19/20 missed 33 games
18/19 missed 22 games
14/15 missed 18 games
12/13 missed 33 games

[Russ of the BML]

Steidten was set up as the fall guy by Sullivan and its worked with most fans now wanting him gone after less than 2 seasons and windows despite a committee based process for selecting the options that his analytical team presented. Fullkrug is Sullivan’s “gift horse “ ( no pun intended ) to skewer Steidten with in his leaks to the media via Whetstone, White, Tarmac Keys etc

No surprise Sullivan has pulled back from the DOF idea which he only half implemented in the first place. Sullivan as DOF again despite 11 years of mostly failures in the market with forwards and other ill suited players from his sychophantic agent “friends” ( aka parasites ) 

Indeed. And one thing Sullivan will never do is come out in direct defence of any of the staff he has working for him. And it causes so much harm. 

he first tried something different with Warburton. He was initially brought in as first team coach, but it became clear quickly that he was actually brought in to assist with transfer policy, pin-point targets and secure them via his daughters player agency. Moyes was having none of it. Warburton's relationship with Moyes quickly deteriorated.  But Sullivan never acted. He should've either said to Moyes its my way or the highway - Or say to Warburton, sorry its not worked out but I have to support David and so you will have to go. But what happened was a long, drawn out messy power struggle that Sullivan allowed to fester before Warburton went of his own accord. And despite his positive words when he left, I know from very good sources that Warburton and Moyes could not be in the same room together at the end. 

Then Sullivan was the one that brought Steidten in as Technical Director. And despite early positivity, again it became clear that Moyes was not having any of it. Players brought in by Steidten were shunned and not picked and Moyes, in a subtle way, made it know he was the manager and he was responsible for in's and out's. Again, Sullivan sat on his hands again. He should've acted and told Moyes, you either align with Tim and the way I want players brought in, or you resign. And if you don't resign or align, then you will be sacked. Or, say to Steidten, sorry its not worked out but I have to support David and so you will have to go. But, like before, what happened was a long, drawn out messy power struggle that Sullivan allowed to fester and ultimately saw  Moyes ban Steidten from the training ground. Again, at the end Moyes and Steidten unable to be in the same room. And that was very likely the reason why Moyes went (along with us just being totally crap). 

Now we hear that Lope and Stiedten fell out at the end. Again, Lope banning him from training ground. And allegedly hating him. Why? I see two reasons, one could be that the players Steidten brought in weren't good enough. But looking at the way Lope performed, I see that as a stretch. More likely, Lope was angry with Tim for being part of the process to recruit a new coach which, no doubt, was fuelled by the image of Tim and Potter meeting. But, where is Sullivan? They were just talking about this on TS and Simon Jordan stated that there is no way in hell that Sullivan wasn't aware of Tim and Potter's liaisons and Tom clearly would've been acting on Sullivan's behalf as Tim simply does not have the power to go out and meet potential coaches behind Sullvan's back. The thought is ridiculous. So we can safely assume Tim met with Potter with Sullivan's knowledge and blessing, so where is Sullivan's defence of Tim? 

Now we see Steidten taking some blame for transfers not working out. Over the weekend he has come into some heavy criticism because of injuries. Rightly or wrongly is another argument, but where is Sullivan? Where is the statement from the club defending Steidten? Tim has now seen off two managers and so I assume that Sullivan is in support of him and the structure that has been created. But is he? We see today that Tim's position is being reviewed and that Dan Ashworth is now "50% likely to get the job". So question is, if Sullivan has in essence chose Tim over two coaches, why is he now looking at Ashworth? 

Potter over the weekend has spoken positively about Tim. He said that he is happy with the structure and looks forward to building a relationship with Tim and working closely with him. Surely that should be music to Sullivan's ears. But apparently not. Sullivan is now letting Tim take the bombs and offers no protection. By all accounts he is keen on Ashworth. It makes no sense.

What is Sullivan's agenda? Why is he allowing this confusion and toxicity to continue? Why was Tim brought Tim in but Sullivan never once openly stood by that decision in a verbal statement? 

The man is a devious and odious human. It looks to me like he gets some kick from creating these situations and watching people scramble and fight for power. Like putting two preying mantis in a cage and watching them fight to the death. Sullivan must be mentally ill. His treatment of people is disgusting. This club is sick from the core and that core is Sullivan. 

[Sir Alf]

Steidten was set up as the fall guy by Sullivan and its worked with most fans now wanting him gone after less than 2 seasons and windows despite a committee based process for selecting the options that his analytical team presented. Fullkrug is Sullivan’s “gift horse “ ( no pun intended ) to skewer Steidten with in his leaks to the media via Whetstone, White, Tarmac Keys etc

No surprise Sullivan has pulled back from the DOF idea which he only half implemented in the first place. Sullivan as DOF again despite 11 years of mostly failures in the market with forwards and other ill suited players from his sychophantic agent “friends” ( aka parasites ) 

[Russ of the BML]

Yes he has.  This is his 6th injury ravaged season he's had in his career.

Fwiw, IIRC he had injuries earlier in his career but had been pretty much injury free for around three years when we bought him.

Yeah he was.  But he still had 5 seasons previously where he was out injured for a good chunk of them.

He was never injured at Dortmund. He played three seasons regularly for them. OK, so I will take your word for it he had some injuries before that. But all players get injured at some point. I mean, Massive may have a point, but for me, paying £27m for a bloke scoring goals in the Euro's and not been injured for three seasons, doesn't really jump out at being a disastrous risk. But whatever.....

[Lee Trundle]

Fullkrug hasn't had injury issues before

Yes he has.  This is his 6th injury ravaged season he's had in his career.

Fwiw, IIRC he had injuries earlier in his career but had been pretty much injury free for around three years when we bought him.

Yeah he was.  But he still had 5 seasons previously where he was out injured for a good chunk of them.

[Manuel]

Fullkrug hasn't had injury issues before

Yes he has.  This is his 6th injury ravaged season he's had in his career.

Fwiw, IIRC he had injuries earlier in his career but had been pretty much injury free for around three years when we bought him.

[Lee Trundle]

Fullkrug hasn't had injury issues before

Yes he has.  This is his 6th injury ravaged season he's had in his career.

[El Scorchio]

 many cunts at the Club running it keeping it as opaque as possible so to avoid proper accountability, it's a joke these days.

I believe that’s purposeful so Sullivan can pick and choose who ‘he’ signed depending on how things pan out with each player. Every success he can then put down to himself while distancing from any failures and shoving them at someone else’s door. 

[Russ of the BML]

Steidten cannot be blamed for injuries. 

Yes, some of his transfers haven;t worked. But that's the risk of the job he is in. There is no chance you can get 100% right. Especially the fact that we aren't shopping at Harrod's as we don't have the budget.

You have picked out Mavropanos. Yes, he appears to be a liability, but we paid £19m euros for him. That's really not a big transfer fee in this day and age. 

Fullkrug hasn't had injury issues before - And yes, I suppose £27m is big money for a player of his age - But at time of buying he was a German international with recent form of scoring at the highest level in the Euro's. Difficult for him with the hamstring injuries but, with all said and done, that could've been a really good transfer had he not got injured. As it stands, its been a disaster of a transfer. 

Todibo I think will come good. Had massive personal issues with El Dope, but when he has played I have rated him and once he settles properly and finds his feet he will be a good player. I think he needs to lose some timber, get fit and get into the pace of PL football. 

Rodriguez is obviously a good player. He's had a successful career up to now. Is he good enough to be a regular in the PL? I am not sure. But what hasn't helped is him coming in at a time when none of the players knew what the fuck was going on. You can thank El Dope for that. Under Potter he may thrive but he must be utilised correctly. Personally, I think if he stays he will be squad player but he will be a good player to have on the bench. 

So I suppose I agree with you to a point - But, as I said, all transfers are a risk - That goes without saying. And so I can't lay all the blame at Steidtens feet. And, let's be honest, its not been easy for him either. He was brought in by the odious dwarf to help Moyes find and attract players, and Moyes was not having any of it. That may have been a difficult working environment. Then he has had to work with a coach that he never wanted under El Dope and so that also must have been hard. Not on the same wavelength at all. 

Potter seems to be the most flexible and easy to work with. I am sure they will work within a good relationship and a joint strategy and understanding of what's needed to create a viable transfer policy. They seem to have personalities that will click. Hope it works. This transfer window will soon tell us. 

[Massive Attack]

Even if we go by just 4 definite signings of his in Fullkrug, Mavropanos, Todibo, Guilherme that's still potentially a lot of money depending on reaching clauses to be putting aside on not to work out so far for different reasons..

27.5 + 19 + 35 + 25.5 = £107M

And I'd like to see what else is said once the dust settles about the likes of Alvarez who I'm not convinced isn't his as well. 

And Kudus was definitely Nobles? 

The one hope is that they all or most come good in the end but we've waited a long time now for Mavropanos who just isn't cutting it, Todibo with his injury/temperament issues, Fullkrug looking like a total disaster right now and a lad who was never going to be ready anytime soon for this season. Which raises big questions about how wise it was to potentially spend all lot of that money on those players not doing it for us this season. I think there's even been murmurings that both Todibo and Fullkrug want out having not settled, although Fullkrug definitely won't be going anywhere in a hurry. 

Some many cunts at the Club running it keeping it as opaque as possible so to avoid proper accountability, it's a joke these days.

[factory seconds]

After going back a couple of pages to read people's thoughts, I find it amazing that the chief architect of the constant chaos at West Ham always gets a free ride, as soon as the odious dwarf sells up we may see some settled waters and a more professionally run club.

Personally all of these stories about Steidten in the press are nothing but Sullivan testing the water as he misses playing CM Manager 25 and wants his toys back.

He's the one that needs to fuck off 

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i think in this case it's more a case of the lone individual who hung his hat on the success of lopetegui looking for someone to blame for his untimely demise.

the squad building has been an absolute dog's dinner, which while steidten has to take his share of the blame for duff signings, the failure as a whole is the viperous game of thrones modelled heirarchy where the left hand doesn't know whose arse the right hand is pinching. his actual abilty to get deals over the line without pissing around with bids filled with vague threats writting in crayon and sent over by carrier pidgeon has been a marked improvement from the past though.

i see few problems that cutting sullivan out of the loop altogether won't solve. until then i'd rather side with scheming german representing the machiavellian czech business magnate than the wankmag slinger, his titwitch apprentice and agent salthouse pressed up against the glass, cock in hand.

lopetegui was a million miles from every other name that steidten supposedly wanted, as was his predecessor. potter is bang in line with it. plays a 343, is younger, more progressive and cut from the "erudite sensitive modern manager who won't take a shit without a pack of wet ones on hand" cloth that seemed to appeal to him. if he can't make it work with potter then i'm inclined to agree that he is just a mardy tit.

[stubbo]

Ward Prowse was a player that Moyes held out for and Steiden didn't want as he thought he was to expensive  and he could get better players on the continent.

JWP has a productive season scoring and assisting on a regular basis.

Moyes goes and JWP is shipped out on loan and Steiden brings in Soler and Rodriquez who have contributed absolutely fuck all thus far .

Sack this clown now before he does anymore damage 
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 he's only end to end responsible for about 3 of them! (Fullkrug, Todibo, and Guilherme).

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The Athletic last year reported Mavropanos was Steidtens pick and flew out to seal the deal..

The Greece international, now 26,

joined West Ham United in the summer

from Stuttgart for £17million ($21.6m)

from German side Stuttgart on a five-

year deal. Tim Steidten, the technical

director, recommended Mavropanos

after watching the defender in his

previous role at Bayer Leverkusen

Alvarez as well..

https://www.westhamzone.com/news/edson- ... am-united/

You're right actually. Mavro was a Steidten call too so that's four.

ExWHU has been at GREAT pains to be very clear that Noble identified Alvarez and been adamant that Steidten should be being given or taking credit for that signing beyond closing it out as he'd been identified and brought to the Club's attention by Noble, as had Kudus.

And that's going back to last season when Alvarez was the second coming of Rice. Just because he's gone to shit doesn't change that.

So whilst Steidten went out there, convinced the player, and sealed the deal, he didn't 'identify' him.
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[Massive Attack]

Ward Prowse was a player that Moyes held out for and Steiden didn't want as he thought he was to expensive  and he could get better players on the continent.

JWP has a productive season scoring and assisting on a regular basis.

Moyes goes and JWP is shipped out on loan and Steiden brings in Soler and Rodriquez who have contributed absolutely fuck all thus far .

Sack this clown now before he does anymore damage 
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 he's only end to end responsible for about 3 of them! (Fullkrug, Todibo, and Guilherme).

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The Athletic last year reported Mavropanos was Steidtens pick and flew out to seal the deal..

The Greece international, now 26,

joined West Ham United in the summer

from Stuttgart for £17million ($21.6m)

from German side Stuttgart on a five-

year deal. Tim Steidten, the technical

director, recommended Mavropanos

after watching the defender in his

previous role at Bayer Leverkusen

Alvarez as well..

https://www.westhamzone.com/news/edson- ... am-united/

[Pshyco scored all 4]

I don't think steitdens going anywhere. Kretinsky won't allow it . And it's pretty telling the dwarf never got his way with the managerial appointment either.