If Potter would get sacked who would you want IN to replace him?

[Barty888]

25% win percentage 

Clueless today

[GBHammer63]

Probably the most sensible would be Keen/Potts until the end of the season come what may, they’d understand what the protests were about and could keep the players unaffected 

[El Scorchio]

I just think Bilic would be a big mistake, and a move out of nothing more than desperation and cynicism from the board, as opposed to any real strategic thinking. I think we'd go down and because Slav is 'one of us' it's the perfect ammo for Sullivan to say 'well I gave you 'your' manager back and that didn't work and now we're relegated because of 'you lot'. Genuinely think that's how his mind works.

The fact that he's even considering (allegedly) rehiring a manager where it ended so spectacularly badly here last time with a lot of animosity between them amid a brewing shitshow on the pitch as we really failed to adjust to the new stadium and got given some rotten signings and the Payet affair which to be fair was out of the control of the club speaks volumes about their competence and ability to run a club as well. Looking backwards never works. 

I appreciate that it's very tricky changing manager at this time of year as the pool is limited but for me this isn't the answer. If Potter goes, for me it's got to be Nuno on a contract until the end of 26/27, with a chance he might leave before then anyway. Bloke has been in and around the league for the last few years and I think he will know how to make us solid enough at the back and dangerous enough going forward to recover our position this season and hopefully steady the ship a little bit before departing. Then we can look at another crossroads where we have the opportunity to hire the right man for a long contract to really back, and get the club going forward, but end up hiring some ridiculous freebie has been or never will, half back them while Sullivan buys players for himself rather than the team as per usual and the whole thing repeats again.

[Massive Attack]

The cup game against Spurs at wembley was a special night under Bilic. Was that his last game? Then we had that shocking bore fest against the Arse at the emirates in the next round, which was a taste of what was to come under Moyes.


 

The start of the season he was sacked is not pretty reading justifying his sacking and said as much at the time what a joke it was...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2 ... .C._season

Sacked straight after losing to Liverpool. However we had just won a fantastic thrilling game at Wembley against Spurs to reach the League Cup Quarter Final to face Arsenal in December which Moyes gutlessly gave up without any fight at all in a totally dour affair by comparison to the 3-2 win against their north London rivals.

We also got a decent draw against Palace in another London Derby just prior to his sacking and looked to have turned a corner after picking up our 1st win against Huddersfield in the 4th game after a bad 3 game start having to play at Old Trafford 1st game of the season, as well as a tough away game up at Newcastle in the 3rd game of the season. He also had 3 winnable games after the Liverpool game he got the boot against Watford, Leicester and Everton.

So unlike Potter, we were outside the bottom three in 17th position, still in the League Cup awaiting a mouth watering Quarter Final where Bilic had previously proven he could get a Team bang up for many 'big' sides and yet that still weren't good enough for dopey Sullivan and some amongst our fanbase. That as well as going along with his decent body of work at West Ham in that Boleyn season and then following up with a respectable midtable finish in 11th.

At a time with the Club in turmoil with regards to the move from hell, fans fighting amongst themsevles, stands even further away than they are now with that awful bright green lino/miserable exposed grey concrete, Payet trying to fuck anything that could walk, as well as having to put up with shocking Transfer windows since moving.

Absolute joke we fired him and he deserved so much better. 

[Russ of the BML]

Didnt like the way bilic left the club as a player, i dont really consider him 'west ham', and he was shocking in the run up to his sacking.

But Cock Piss and jlop has made us look at all these people through rose tinteds. I wonder what Paul 'Pissed' Ince is up to now . . . .

Liam Rosenior, another interesting name to add to the list of people who dont want the job
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Bilic was an excellent player when with us. I remember fondly watching his composed and powerful performances. But he played one season for us. I have never considered him to be 'proper West Ham' and I don't consider him a legend, as I have seen others state. 

As for him as our manager again.... I think it would be a disaster. Bilic is a plodder. A nomad that goes from club to club getting work where he can. A bang average coach and manager. As if we need another average plodder right now. 

[simons]

The cup game against Spurs at wembley was a special night under Bilic. Was that his last game? Then we had that shocking bore fest against the Arse at the emirates in the next round, which was a taste of what was to come under Moyes.
 

[honky cat]

Didnt like the way bilic left the club as a player, i dont really consider him 'west ham', and he was shocking in the run up to his sacking.

But Cock Piss and jlop has made us look at all these people through rose tinteds. I wonder what Paul 'Pissed' Ince is up to now . . . .

Liam Rosenior, another interesting name to add to the list of people who dont want the job
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[southbankbornnbred]

I like Bilic as a person - a lot.

Interviewed him when he was at Everton in 1998 and all we talked about was West Ham!

Top bloke, bright and funny. But he would seriously need to rethink his coaching staff if he came back. Much as I loved Julian, not sure he was a great coach, and the assistant (Jelavic?) seemed a bit old skool even for 2015.

Terzic somehow emerged out of that group, though. Maybe offer him and Bilic the role. The way we fell off a cliff in the first season at the athletics bowl was shocking though. Some of those signings were mind-bogglingly bad.

[southbankbornnbred]

No no no no

I like billic, but no

Remember how much if a soft touch we were at the back?
Remember how unfit the players were?

No

Why cant we appoint a competent coach

Didn’t we have a 345-year-old “fitness coach” who looked like he smoked 60-a-day? Probably gave the players a beer as an energy drink!

Bring that back. We’ll lose just as often, but at least it’ll be fecking funny.

[XKhammer]

I'd take Nuno for sure.
Sullivan won't.

But his system is very similar to Moyes but with young pacy players which we ain't got

[zebthecat]

I'd take Nuno for sure.
Sullivan won't.

[Mike Oxsaw]

End of the season is so far beyond long term in Sullivan's mind he'd expect to see it as the next episode of Star Trek.

[Ron Eff]

Gary O’wall being touted as high on the list by the independent. Did well at Wolves to keep them up afterthey  sold their good players and the football was decent iirc? He struggled the next season early doors after a couple of key players sold ? without a win in first 10 famed but then picked up with 3 wins but then sacked ? and got replaced by current mamager Perriera.  Also kept Bournemouth up and was sacked next season despite a good start but becsuse tgey had identified Iraola.  Not the worst record, better than Potter and some other candidates since he never really had a budget to work with.  

Ticks a few boxes for Sully, out of work, kept Wolves and Bournemouth up with little to no money, ex player?  

Dunno, it would be a perfect Sully appointment and that means it will likely end in tears 

If at first you don’t succeed with the appointment of an average ex Wolves manager, try again with one who is even more average. 

Anyway, it’s clear gormless is a goner. These stories breaking is a classic board move to test the waters for fan reaction. Clearly they are consulting their trusted old rolodex for options when the bloke they sacked 8 years ago appears at the top of the list. I’m not anti it if it is a straight choice between Bilic or gormless, but fucking hell, show some ambition. It should be a til the end of the season contract with a view to them looking for a long term choice if they aren’t going to throw the kitchen sink at it now. 

[Massive Attack]

Get the fuck on with it Sullivan ffs..

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... placements


Whoever it's going to be just put the silly sap out of his misery, as it's turning in to yet another worst kept secret with a number of reports coming out now of a change.

Sick of all this ONE MORE GAME bollocks.

[Sir Alf]

Gary O’wall being touted as high on the list by the independent. Did well at Wolves to keep them up afterthey  sold their good players and the football was decent iirc? He struggled the next season early doors after a couple of key players sold ? without a win in first 10 famed but then picked up with 3 wins but then sacked ? and got replaced by current mamager Perriera.  Also kept Bournemouth up and was sacked next season despite a good start but becsuse tgey had identified Iraola.  Not the worst record, better than Potter and some other candidates since he never really had a budget to work with.  

Ticks a few boxes for Sully, out of work, kept Wolves and Bournemouth up with little to no money, ex player?  

Dunno, it would be a perfect Sully appointment and that means it will likely end in tears 

[violator]

Who’s the manager of Club Brugge?
they’re a very good side.

And their skipper...oh hang on, we already tried that 

[goose]

Who’s the manager of Club Brugge?
they’re a very good side.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Perhaps Sullivan is waiting to see if comet 3I/ATLAS will bring someone unaware of the way he operates, yet gagging to get the team playing.

100 days or so to wait and see if we get a little green manager working for our little gormless dwarf.

[stubbo-admin]

Bilic would be classic Sullivan...as he was last time when he 'listened to the fans'.  The heats on, so do something that will be almost universally loved.  It's cheap, a guy who 'needs this' and so would see the Club as an opportunity not a poisoned chalice, and lets him state he's 'listening and doing something the fans like'.

In fairness to Bilic, I loved the time he was manager despite the poor ending.  He's clearly a smart guy who has genuine affection for the club.  But so much of what was good was down to him having Payet...in fairness he wasn't well supported beyond that first window when we wanted Lanzini and Payet, although did get backed with Zabaleta, Arnautovic and Chicharito...but of course didn't get the final piece of his 'puzzle' in Carvalho.

If you offered me Bilic over Potter...all day long (and blah blah blah).  Do I think he guarantees we stay up....nope.  But I'd like to see him back, we have a decent squad to play 'his way' and he is a move towards a team philosophy that empowers mavericks to 'do their thing' which is the kind of football I like to see.

He generally favours a fairly simple 4-2-3-1, with 3 flair players behind the striker and two deep laying mids who offer protection and some playmaking.

Basically, I suspect we'd see the formation and team the fans would like to see:

Fabianski/Areola

Wan Bissaka  Mavropanos   Kilman   Diouf

Magassa  Fernandes

Bowen            Paqueta           Summerville

Fullkrug

So whilst he's not likely to take us to the promised land...I'd still welcome him back, and doubt he could do worse than the incumbent.  Would like to think he might select a slightly less motley crue of support acts next time though to come with him.

Potter could have most of us satisfied, if not happy, just by doing that now. Crazy that we would need to fire and hire to make it happen.

I know, but he's another one of these over-thinker analyst system managers who doesn't realise it can be a pretty simple game.

The game HAS moved on tactically, and out of possession you definitely need to be more switched on (and think about the game as in possession and put of possession, which was largely Moyes problem in his last season and a half against a box midfield), but in possession, it's still pretty simple IMO....get it to the guys with the flair, get them combining, and have more than one avenue of chance creation.

Potter however has NEVER been good at having his teams create chances because he's so wedded to deep possession and prefers to recycle to risk...which destroys what flair players are good at. 

Just my view of course, but he's too 'system'.  

To those saying Bilic was more than just Payet....we basically only won two games with him out of the side. He was incredible and it's understandable we built the team around him, but he was so far above the rest of the side he hid a myriad of faults. We don't have that superstar now, but have a more talented squad overall on balance IMO.

[stubbo-admin]

As bonkers as it is Potter playing 4 cms and no ST.

remember Bilic being insistent on Antonio being a RB. 

Was it not because Jenkinson suffered an injury whilst on Loan from Arsenal as our specialist Right Back and he filled in for a short spell because of it due to lack of other options as Byram coming in January was raw and struggling to make a real impact himself? Not that it badly hampered our season in any case. He didn't want to ideally play him there as the following seasons in the Olympic Stadium proved.

 

From what I remember, he did a job there against Liverpool in the game we won, and he showed pace, power and commitment.  Bilic was of the view he would be a. Average winger, but if he could adapt to the defensive side of things with his carrying power and physique he could become a world class right back.  He didn't account for the fact Antonio was a blunt instrument battering ram who had no interest in adapting, and didn't have the intelligence for such a switch.

But in that one game against Liverpool he was fantastic, tried his guts out, and you could see where Bilic was coming from.

[factory seconds]

As bonkers as it is Potter playing 4 cms and no ST.

remember Bilic being insistent on Antonio being a RB. 

old slav was a bit of a trailblazer in that regard. basically had him as a wingback and antonio actually had his best numbers for goals and assists playing there until moyes reinvented him as a 9. the logic was that antonio would perform his usual winger duties of flying down the line and bullying his way around the outside while some modern diminiutive wrongfooted wooftah winger would do all the twinkle toes bollocks on the inside of him. 

that he couldn't and indeed didn't want to defend was a chicxulub crater sized hole in that plan.

[Massive Attack]

As bonkers as it is Potter playing 4 cms and no ST.

remember Bilic being insistent on Antonio being a RB. 

Was it not because Jenkinson suffered an injury whilst on Loan from Arsenal as our specialist Right Back and he filled in for a short spell because of it due to lack of other options as Byram coming in January was raw and struggling to make a real impact himself? Not that it badly hampered our season in any case. He didn't want to ideally play him there as the following seasons in the Olympic Stadium proved.

[dealcanvey]

As bonkers as it is Potter playing 4 cms and no ST.

remember Bilic being insistent on Antonio being a RB. 

[Nick QQQ2]

The issue is only the desperate will work with us.   Look at our last 4 managers, it’s not like clubs were queuing up for them.  Moyes came back because he couldn’t get a job, Loppi walked out on wolves and couldn’t get a job and Potter was unemployed for 2 years, we can clearly see why that’s the case (other clubs do their due diligence).   The. You have the crop who Sullivan wouldn’t dare employ.  Jose would call a spade a spade and Nuno just lost his job because he spoke out on the chairman.
so were left with the likes of Dyche, Bilic etc.  given the turmoil I genuinely wouldn’t rule BFS out of the running 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Given the global reach of Brand PL, of which West Ham are an integral part, there can't be a single, even half-competent, manager on the planet who feels that they can get a tune out of the current West Ham squad with Sullivan sticking his oar in and having a say over the footballing side of the club (it's core business).

He needs to butt the fuck out and just buy the players his manager/coach say they need in order to move on.

[threesixty]

Nah it will 100% be Nuno if he's still out of work if/when Potter goes. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Sullivan has already said to him 'Just hold on until Sunday.'

 

Bilic eh? Sullivan strikes again lol! 

 

I really can't see it- just purely from the way it ended last time. I think Sullivan is chucking it out there like he does with feelers for signing players and to just try and placate people. I'd be shocked if Bilic rocks up again. Both got burnt by the other first time round. Bilic got sacked for insubordination as much as anything else. Seems that embarrassing Sullivan is a far worse crime than losing football matches.

 

 

The thing is he can’t help himself. 
when you look at the situation properly it’s a bit mad. He is basically the Director of Football at the club now. But yet he doesn’t really know anything about the job. He’s not scrolling through stats of the best upcoming European managers. He knows less than most people on this site about what the club actually needs. 

So given his limited knowledge of candidates, add to his almost superstitious reluctance to poach anyone either and his mistrust of anyone that’s spending “his” money., it’s alway going to lead to someone like Bilic. 

Also, maybe Nuno doesn’t want or need another toxic chairman. He had that in Saudi and now again here. Maybe Nuno is just an honest guy and can’t be arsed with it. Sullivan repels decent people generally. That’s the really big problem West Ham has in terms of recruiting anyone decent.