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[Come On You Irons]

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[Nutsin]

What you scared of Nutsin son? It’s just a bet.

 

I’ve already won, you’re the one who needs a bet to save face on what is obviously desperate conjecture.

Im gonna continue to count the Trump wins one by one if you don’t mind and I’ll be sure to let you and your liberal friends know all about them.

Winners win.

It’s official last USA hostage has been released! 

I wonder how much the Saudi’s, Qatar and UAE are gonna invest in the USA? 

MAGA!

[goose]

What you scared of Nutsin son? It’s just a bet.
 

[Nutsin]

Really? So not about bringing back manufacturing from other countries to the US? Because that’s what he said.

The US consumer will be paying higher prices, and you won’t be making iPhones.

I’ll have a bet with you now that the US balance of trade barely moves.

You forgot to add Amen at the end.

I mean that was a prayer right?

Bringing back manufacturing jobs is happening and is one of the benefits. Not the only one got it?

I phones are now being made in India for the time being we will see if that changes, It’s a nothing burger.

Increased competition means there is a chance that manufacturers will eat the costs to remain competitive.

The blanket 10% Tariffs will add to the treasury Coffers good eh! Maybe we can pay down our debt, you know what that means, that’s right a stronger dollar, you know what a stronger dollar means, that’s right lower inflation
by definition.

Dont forget the lower energy costs and lower taxes too.
Id say the US consumer will be ok with Trumps Tariffs at the end of the day especially when wage increases kick in due to all the new manufacturing jobs.


Floundering?

Not brave enough to take the bet then? Shall we add sovereign debt reduction to that bet as well?
as per previous, manufacturing jobs have gone down.

you think manufacturing of one of the biggest selling products globally is a ‘nothing burger’ but selling pickups in a market declining 45% is a golden opportunity??  

Lower taxes we will see if it passes, because these things need to be funded but they cannot agree how.

Floundering!

[goose]

Egg prices are down, I live here remember.

 Fucking hell, You still haven’t figured out that Trumps initial Tariffs were to bring countries to the negotiating table? 
Are you really that stupid?

Let me help you out, don’t be surprised to learn that the all initialTariffs are all lowered with many that were levied against the USA being removed. Also don’t be surprised if trade barriers are removed and markets open up to US companies and manufacturers and farmers. Also expect more balanced trade, not  the big deficits that the US has been subject to, so more US exports.
Why would this happen,  because the US consumer is the grand prize that they all want a piece of, just like I’ve been telling you. Trump understood this which is why he will come out ahead in these trade agreements.

Got it now silly nuts?

Just took a look at my retirement account, it’s flashing green!!!!! Cha Ching!

Really? So not about bringing back manufacturing from other countries to the US? Because that’s what he said.

The US consumer will be paying higher prices, and you won’t be making iPhones.

I’ll have a bet with you now that the US balance of trade barely moves.

You forgot to add Amen at the end.

I mean that was a prayer right?

Bringing back manufacturing jobs is happening and is one of the benefits. Not the only one got it?

I phones are now being made in India for the time being we will see if that changes, It’s a nothing burger.

Increased competition means there is a chance that manufacturers will eat the costs to remain competitive.

The blanket 10% Tariffs will add to the treasury Coffers good eh! Maybe we can pay down our debt, you know what that means, that’s right a stronger dollar, you know what a stronger dollar means, that’s right lower inflation
by definition.

Dont forget the lower energy costs and lower taxes too.
Id say the US consumer will be ok with Trumps Tariffs at the end of the day especially when wage increases kick in due to all the new manufacturing jobs.


Floundering?

Not brave enough to take the bet then? Shall we add sovereign debt reduction to that bet as well?
as per previous, manufacturing jobs have gone down.

you think manufacturing of one of the biggest selling products globally is a ‘nothing burger’ but selling pickups in a market declining 45% is a golden opportunity??  

Lower taxes we will see if it passes, because these things need to be funded but they cannot agree how.

[Nutsin]

Are you having another episode?

Let’s talk about facts:
- latest set of data, US manufacturing lost about 1,000 jobs. That’s a fact.
- cost of goods on anything imported is now more expensive than before Trump took office because of tariffs.
- before Trump, US business could export goods to China tariff free. Now they can’t.
- when the tariffs were announced the markets shut themselves.
- now those tariffs have been reduced the markets have gone the other way, because tariffs are being reduced or removed.
- global sea shipments dropped off significantly after the tariffs were announced, including the US. They will now pick up.
- eggs retail prices aren’t down since Trump took office, in fact they’ve gone up.

Egg prices are down, I live here remember.

 Fucking hell, You still haven’t figured out that Trumps initial Tariffs were to bring countries to the negotiating table? 
Are you really that stupid?

Let me help you out, don’t be surprised to learn that the all initialTariffs are all lowered with many that were levied against the USA being removed. Also don’t be surprised if trade barriers are removed and markets open up to US companies and manufacturers and farmers. Also expect more balanced trade, not  the big deficits that the US has been subject to, so more US exports.
Why would this happen,  because the US consumer is the grand prize that they all want a piece of, just like I’ve been telling you. Trump understood this which is why he will come out ahead in these trade agreements.

Got it now silly nuts?

Just took a look at my retirement account, it’s flashing green!!!!! Cha Ching!

Really? So not about bringing back manufacturing from other countries to the US? Because that’s what he said.

The US consumer will be paying higher prices, and you won’t be making iPhones.

I’ll have a bet with you now that the US balance of trade barely moves.

You forgot to add Amen at the end.

I mean that was a prayer right?

Bringing back manufacturing jobs is happening and is one of the benefits. Not the only one got it?

I phones are now being made in India for the time being we will see if that changes, It’s a nothing burger.

Increased competition means there is a chance that manufacturers will eat the costs to remain competitive.

The blanket 10% Tariffs will add to the treasury Coffers good eh! Maybe we can pay down our debt, you know what that means, that’s right a stronger dollar, you know what a stronger dollar means, that’s right lower inflation
by definition.

Dont forget the lower energy costs and lower taxes too.
Id say the US consumer will be ok with Trumps Tariffs at the end of the day especially when wage increases kick in due to all the new manufacturing jobs.


Floundering?

[goose]

Who said US cars would take over the UK market? Are you making shit up again? I said they will sell more than what they already do.

“None of the manufacturing are are coming back to the US”, really? It’s already happening numbnuts. If the US exports more that will also mean more jobs.

All petty silly little points that mean very little in the grand scheme of things.

So I take it the sky isn’t falling, the stock and bond market isn’t gonna collapse and tariffs aren’t so bad after all.

Looks like another big win for Trump too. Let that sink in! 

hostages released, peace talks with Russia and Ukraine, end of DEI in the USA, borders are secure, streets are safer, inflation is down, energy prices are down, egg prices are down, Resetting global trade, with a possible end to China’s neo mercantilism, Houthis put in their place, $10 trillion in new investments into the US and counting, creating new manufacturing jobs. Thanks to Tariffs, cheaper pharmaceutical drug prices and an American pope.

what you gonna be spouting bollox about  a month from now when even more trade deals are announced OR when Trumps tax cuts are approved?

My guess it will be something silly, as usual.

Fact is you were dead wrong and I was dead right!

And don’t be surprised if all this inflation talk of yours turns out to be a nothing burger.

Oops!

Are you having another episode?

Let’s talk about facts:
- latest set of data, US manufacturing lost about 1,000 jobs. That’s a fact.
- cost of goods on anything imported is now more expensive than before Trump took office because of tariffs.
- before Trump, US business could export goods to China tariff free. Now they can’t.
- when the tariffs were announced the markets shut themselves.
- now those tariffs have been reduced the markets have gone the other way, because tariffs are being reduced or removed.
- global sea shipments dropped off significantly after the tariffs were announced, including the US. They will now pick up.
- eggs retail prices aren’t down since Trump took office, in fact they’ve gone up.

Egg prices are down, I live here remember.

 Fucking hell, You still haven’t figured out that Trumps initial Tariffs were to bring countries to the negotiating table? 
Are you really that stupid?

Let me help you out, don’t be surprised to learn that the all initialTariffs are all lowered with many that were levied against the USA being removed. Also don’t be surprised if trade barriers are removed and markets open up to US companies and manufacturers and farmers. Also expect more balanced trade, not  the big deficits that the US has been subject to, so more US exports.
Why would this happen,  because the US consumer is the grand prize that they all want a piece of, just like I’ve been telling you. Trump understood this which is why he will come out ahead in these trade agreements.

Got it now silly nuts?

Just took a look at my retirement account, it’s flashing green!!!!! Cha Ching!

Really? So not about bringing back manufacturing from other countries to the US? Because that’s what he said.

Let’s be clear about this - Trump was forced to climb down in his tariffs. 

The US consumer will be paying higher prices, and you won’t be making iPhones.

I’ll have a bet with you now that the US balance of trade barely moves.

[goose]

Major Power outage on London Underground.


London Underground users are reporting being evacuated from the Elizabeth Line and Embankment Tube station. There are currently no services between Paddington and Abbey Wood due to a power outage.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

The US have just agreed a trade deal with China.





 

"The talks were productive" is not a deal! Sounds like far away from a deal. Lets see what they say tomorrow!   

U.S. Trade Representative Ambassador Jamieson Greer: “This was, as the Secretary pointed out, a very constructive two days. It’s important to understand how quickly we were able to come to agreement, which reflects that perhaps the differences were not so large as maybe thought. That being said, there was a lot of groundwork that went into these two days. Just remember why we’re here in the first place — the United States has a massive $1.2 trillion trade deficit, so the President declared a national emergency and imposed tariffs, and we’re confident that the deal we struck with our Chinese partners will help us to work toward resolving that national emergency.”

And still no deal!

[Nutsin]

Let me know when those US cars start taking over the U.K. market.
Maybe you should open a dealership to flog those pickups which are a ‘golden opportunity’ declining 45% YoY.

meanwhile Chinese imports have been made more expensive,  and none of those manufacturing jobs are coming back to the US.

maybe see if you can buy one of those American made iPhones that Trump promised you.

Who said US cars would take over the UK market? Are you making shit up again? I said they will sell more than what they already do.

“None of the manufacturing are are coming back to the US”, really? It’s already happening numbnuts. If the US exports more that will also mean more jobs.

All petty silly little points that mean very little in the grand scheme of things.

So I take it the sky isn’t falling, the stock and bond market isn’t gonna collapse and tariffs aren’t so bad after all.

Looks like another big win for Trump too. Let that sink in! 

hostages released, peace talks with Russia and Ukraine, end of DEI in the USA, borders are secure, streets are safer, inflation is down, energy prices are down, egg prices are down, Resetting global trade, with a possible end to China’s neo mercantilism, Houthis put in their place, $10 trillion in new investments into the US and counting, creating new manufacturing jobs. Thanks to Tariffs, cheaper pharmaceutical drug prices and an American pope.

what you gonna be spouting bollox about  a month from now when even more trade deals are announced OR when Trumps tax cuts are approved?

My guess it will be something silly, as usual.

Fact is you were dead wrong and I was dead right!

And don’t be surprised if all this inflation talk of yours turns out to be a nothing burger.

Oops!

Are you having another episode?

Let’s talk about facts:
- latest set of data, US manufacturing lost about 1,000 jobs. That’s a fact.
- cost of goods on anything imported is now more expensive than before Trump took office because of tariffs.
- before Trump, US business could export goods to China tariff free. Now they can’t.
- when the tariffs were announced the markets shut themselves.
- now those tariffs have been reduced the markets have gone the other way, because tariffs are being reduced or removed.
- global sea shipments dropped off significantly after the tariffs were announced, including the US. They will now pick up.
- eggs retail prices aren’t down since Trump took office, in fact they’ve gone up.

Egg prices are down, I live here remember.

 Fucking hell, You still haven’t figured out that Trumps initial Tariffs were to bring countries to the negotiating table? 
Are you really that stupid?

Let me help you out, don’t be surprised to learn that the all initialTariffs are all lowered with many that were levied against the USA being removed. Also don’t be surprised if trade barriers are removed and markets open up to US companies and manufacturers and farmers. Also expect more balanced trade, not  the big deficits that the US has been subject to, so more US exports.
Why would this happen,  because the US consumer is the grand prize that they all want a piece of, just like I’ve been telling you. Trump understood this which is why he will come out ahead in these trade agreements.

Got it now silly nuts?

Just took a look at my retirement account, it’s flashing green!!!!! Cha Ching!

[goose]

Let me know when those US cars start taking over the U.K. market.
Maybe you should open a dealership to flog those pickups which are a ‘golden opportunity’ declining 45% YoY.

meanwhile Chinese imports have been made more expensive,  and none of those manufacturing jobs are coming back to the US.

maybe see if you can buy one of those American made iPhones that Trump promised you.

Who said US cars would take over the UK market? Are you making shit up again? I said they will sell more than what they already do.

“None of the manufacturing are are coming back to the US”, really? It’s already happening numbnuts. If the US exports more that will also mean more jobs.

All petty silly little points that mean very little in the grand scheme of things.

So I take it the sky isn’t falling, the stock and bond market isn’t gonna collapse and tariffs aren’t so bad after all.

Looks like another big win for Trump too. Let that sink in! 

hostages released, peace talks with Russia and Ukraine, end of DEI in the USA, borders are secure, streets are safer, inflation is down, energy prices are down, egg prices are down, Resetting global trade, with a possible end to China’s neo mercantilism, Houthis put in their place, $10 trillion in new investments into the US and counting, creating new manufacturing jobs. Thanks to Tariffs, cheaper pharmaceutical drug prices and an American pope.

what you gonna be spouting bollox about  a month from now when even more trade deals are announced OR when Trumps tax cuts are approved?

My guess it will be something silly, as usual.

Fact is you were dead wrong and I was dead right!

And don’t be surprised if all this inflation talk of yours turns out to be a nothing burger.

Oops!

Are you having another episode?

Let’s talk about facts:
- latest set of data, US manufacturing lost about 1,000 jobs. That’s a fact.
- cost of goods on anything imported is now more expensive than before Trump took office because of tariffs.
- before Trump, US business could export goods to China tariff free. Now they can’t.
- when the tariffs were announced the markets shut themselves.
- now those tariffs have been reduced the markets have gone the other way, because tariffs are being reduced or removed.
- global sea shipments dropped off significantly after the tariffs were announced, including the US. They will now pick up.
- eggs retail prices aren’t down since Trump took office, in fact they’ve gone up.

[Nutsin]

Let me know when those US cars start taking over the U.K. market.
Maybe you should open a dealership to flog those pickups which are a ‘golden opportunity’ declining 45% YoY.

meanwhile Chinese imports have been made more expensive,  and none of those manufacturing jobs are coming back to the US.

maybe see if you can buy one of those American made iPhones that Trump promised you.

Who said US cars would take over the UK market? Are you making shit up again? I said they will sell more than what they already do.

“None of the manufacturing are are coming back to the US”, really? It’s already happening numbnuts. If the US exports more that will also mean more jobs.

All petty silly little points that mean very little in the grand scheme of things.

So I take it the sky isn’t falling, the stock and bond market isn’t gonna collapse and tariffs aren’t so bad after all.

Looks like another big win for Trump too. Let that sink in! 

hostages released, peace talks with Russia and Ukraine, end of DEI in the USA, borders are secure, streets are safer, inflation is down, energy prices are down, egg prices are down, Resetting global trade, with a possible end to China’s neo mercantilism, Houthis put in their place, $10 trillion in new investments into the US and counting, creating new manufacturing jobs. Thanks to Tariffs, cheaper pharmaceutical drug prices and an American pope.

what you gonna be spouting bollox about  a month from now when even more trade deals are announced OR when Trumps tax cuts are approved?

My guess it will be something silly, as usual.

Fact is you were dead wrong and I was dead right!

And don’t be surprised if all this inflation talk of yours turns out to be a nothing burger.

Oops!

[goose]

Let me know when those US cars start taking over the U.K. market.
Maybe you should open a dealership to flog those pickups which are a ‘golden opportunity’ declining 45% YoY.

meanwhile Chinese imports have been made more expensive,  and none of those manufacturing jobs are coming back to the US.

maybe see if you can buy one of those American made iPhones that Trump promised you.

[Nutsin]

Mixed messages about whether an agreement has been made.
Sounds like something between 20-30% tariffs.
Lets see how the US consumer feels about taking on that cost inflation.

Still floundering.
Poor Goose.

[goose]

Mixed messages about whether an agreement has been made.
Sounds like something between 20-30% tariffs.
Lets see how the US consumer feels about taking on that cost inflation.

[goose]

Actually he used the phrase ‘trading partner’, and yes the EU is a trading partner. The UK does a deal with the EU, those terms cover the EU.

The UKs own government describes them as a trading partner. 

Yes. I have no doubt that arch-Remainer TTK, who is trying to stealth his way back in, mischaracterises the EU as a trading partner.

Arch-remainer trying to stealth his way back in?
wtf are you talking about?

[goose]

Floundering!

Floundering by describing the U.K. biggest trading partner as its biggest trading partner?

The same way the U.K. government does? Righto.

It’s obviously by country numbnuts. Do you really need it spelt out to you? 

And there you were thinking you were being clever when all you were doing was showing your lack of common sense.

We are talking trade agreements. Does the uk have an agreement with the EU or the individual countries?

I’ll give you some time to work it out.

[Nutsin]

And there’s even more, Trump has announced that Pharmaceutical drugs prices will be reduced by 30-80% effective immediately. 

Wow!

Got anything negative to say about this Goose?

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Actually he used the phrase ‘trading partner’, and yes the EU is a trading partner. The UK does a deal with the EU, those terms cover the EU.

The UKs own government describes them as a trading partner. 

Yes. I have no doubt that arch-Remainer TTK, who is trying to stealth his way back in, mischaracterises the EU as a trading partner.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

The US have just agreed a trade deal with China.




 

"The talks were productive" is not a deal! Sounds like far away from a deal. Lets see what they say tomorrow!   

U.S. Trade Representative Ambassador Jamieson Greer: “This was, as the Secretary pointed out, a very constructive two days. It’s important to understand how quickly we were able to come to agreement, which reflects that perhaps the differences were not so large as maybe thought. That being said, there was a lot of groundwork that went into these two days. Just remember why we’re here in the first place — the United States has a massive $1.2 trillion trade deficit, so the President declared a national emergency and imposed tariffs, and we’re confident that the deal we struck with our Chinese partners will help us to work toward resolving that national emergency.”

[Nutsin]

Actually he used the phrase ‘trading partner’, and yes the EU is a trading partner. The UK does a deal with the EU, those terms cover the EU.

The UKs own government describes them as a trading partner. 

Floundering!

Floundering by describing the U.K. biggest trading partner as its biggest trading partner?

The same way the U.K. government does? Righto.

It’s obviously by country numbnuts. Do you really need it spelt out to you? 

And there you were thinking you were being clever when all you were doing was showing your lack of common sense.

[goose]

Actually he used the phrase ‘trading partner’, and yes the EU is a trading partner. The UK does a deal with the EU, those terms cover the EU.

The UKs own government describes them as a trading partner. 

Floundering!

Floundering by describing the U.K. biggest trading partner as its biggest trading partner?

The same way the U.K. government does? Righto.

[Nutsin]

Actually he used the phrase ‘trading partner’, and yes the EU is a trading partner. The UK does a deal with the EU, those terms cover the EU.

The UKs own government describes them as a trading partner. 

Floundering!

[goose]

Actually he used the phrase ‘trading partner’, and yes the EU is a trading partner. The UK does a deal with the EU, those terms cover the EU.

The UKs own government describes them as a trading partner. 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Yeah, but Nutsin wasn't. And the EU is NOT a trading partner. We don't do any trade at all with the EU. It's a supra-national organisation that negotiates on behalf of a bunch of our trading partners.

[Nutsin]

Someone tell Goose that the EU isn't a country.

And it's a fag-paper under 41% and falling, not 42%.UK trade in numbers (web version) - GOV.UK . And that includes the ever popular Rotterdam effect (about 5% probably, maybe a bit more).

So we've amazing gone from a frightening, 'nearly half' to a less daunting, 'just about a third'.

Remainers gonna Remainer...

I said trading partner not trading country. The U.K. is currently doing a deal with the EU. They’re not doing a deal with France and a deal with Germany and a deal with Italy……….

 

 

Goose Take it up with AI and Gov.UK statistic bureau you massive bore.

Looks like Hamas are expected to release the last American hostage, all this winning it’s too much!

Mineral deal with Ukraine ….check
Trade deal with UK….. check
stop Houthi’s attacking ships threatening passageway through the Suez Canal….Check

Watch this space……..for

USA framework of new trade with China details expected for release tomorrow
ceasefire with Russia/Ukraine being negotiated thanks to Trump
New trade agreements with Saudi Arabia during next weeks visit

Other trade agreements with other trade partners expected any time.

All exciting stuff! He has only been in office for a little over 100 days ffs.

MAGA……Winners win!