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Moyes Out ( Released )

Posted: 18 Sep 2022, 18:18
by Keep dreaming
"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 16:57
by Willtell
That's a really good set of posts there guys. Well said....

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 15:21
by Takashi Miike
"Fauxstralian 12:09 Fri Mar 1 we're still second in PL2, despite the three best attacking players either being out on loan or sat on the bench for the past two months. also through to the semis of the international cup (no idea of the draw yet. PSV, Palace & Everton also through)"

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 15:06
by Hammer and Pickle
"This no doubt in my mind that Moyes is not cooperating with Steidten rather than the other way around. And there is no doubt that his behaviour in this respect has nothing to do with the interests of the club, players and the sport."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 14:40
by Russ of the BML
"Good posts ED and Manuel. I also feel that there is a little bit of a starry eyed view of Steidten from the fans. He's proved he's got an eye for a player and that he is capable of getting a deal done. But ultimately his job is to bring success on the pitch using a whole wealth of different skills and techniques. Until that happens he cannot be viewed as a success. One thing stands in his way. Moyes. And for me, that is why Moyes has to go. By bringing Tim in, and now subsequently his brother, the club are clearly steering the ship in a new direction. However, Moyes stands on the bridge trying to steer it back n the same direction. So why Moyes is still here, only Sullivan can explain. I hope Moyes doesn't win the battle. because if he outlasts Tim and Bro then we are genuinely fucked. Even Sullivan may as well turn of his PC and go home. If, however, Moyes is removed and the ship is directed where the club want, and they employ a coach that will collaborate with Tim and engage in his methods, then I do genuinely see us progressing to the next level and being successful."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 13:42
by Manuel
"No I totally agree, I'm pleased Steidten is here too as it means the club is at least trying to go in the right direction and yes he has a good rep in the game and we have every right to be optimistic, but he still needs to prove himself, the same as anyone joining a new company in any industry, past reputations can count for nothing if you don't deliver. Let's be honest many are creaming themselves over him just because he isn't Moyes and he may be the man who ultimately gets Moyes out, is European and wears nice scarfs. Yea, prove will be in the pudding, but fingers crossed he will take us in the right direction. I would file O'Neil under the same category as Silva and Emery, ie modern day coach, lives and breathes the game, fine attention to detail etc. Got a feeling he could go onto big things, he won't come here though, apart from anything else we don't go for in-work coaches."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 13:31
by Eerie Descent
"Manuel 11:44 Fri Mar 1 I didn't want to elaborate on that point, as I'd bored everyone enough, but since you've asked, I'll explain. I'm not being starry eyed over Steinden, he's proven nothing with us so far and the proof will be in the pudding long term. But we have brought him in to take the club in a direction, and personally I'd rather the man who has his reputation, interviews with Chelsea, nicknamed the pearl diver etc, making the big football decisions. He's the one who will have an extensive data and knowledge of European football, I'm not saying it would guarantee success, but I'd be happy if he had identified someone specific to work with going forward. As much as some will laugh as I've been one of the early Moyes out'ers, but I actually get right behind any new appointment we make, try to see the positives and hope it works out, I would do if we got Potter in, I'd still get on board and give him a chance. But that doesn't mean I won't change my mind if I don't like what I'm seeing over a decent enough amount of time. I do like Gary O'Neill, and would be on board with that, but wouldn't be my top choice. And any gimp suggesting he plays the same way as Moyes is an idiot. I'd have him and Howe just below Slot & Silva, just personal preference, but would be happy with any of them."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 12:09
by Fauxstralian
Said earlier that when Paqueta was understandably rested after 75mins at 4-1 it was the perfect opportunity to give Scarles and Earthy 15mins on the pitch Saw the interview with the kid Danns who scored twice for Liverpool in the cup match and he was like every Christmas had come at once ...greatest day of his life he said That opportunity energises him and every other youth player at the club. Plus probably rubs off on the senior players to see such enthusiasm If we do progress in Europe trying to flog every 1st team player by playing them every week and NOT rotating them with youngsters will ruin any small chance we have

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 11:48
by Takashi Miike
"watching liverpool recently and how klopp integrates his young players, it just strengthens my wish for the jock twat to disappear as soon as possible. he's admitted he has no interest in one of the best group of youngsters in the country and there's no future for anyone outside his favourites clique while he's picking the team"

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 11:44
by Manuel
"ED - Good post that, enjoyed reading it and couldn't disagree with anything, except until possibly your last paragraph. Now it's probably me just being cynical, surely not, and Steidten may well be some footballing genius as everyone on here has assumed he is, but personally I find it all a bit cringe and will judge his work over a couple of years rather than hero worship the bloke after only being here for 5 minutes. You say you will be onboard with whoever he brings in, very sweet that, but that will only last until he starts losing a load of games, right? What about O'Neil (O'Wall)?"

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 11:42
by Willtell
"The biggest problem over the choice of managers is Sullivan. We have lurched from inexperienced Zola who I thought did OK on a nothing budget for 2 seasons. No Sullivan wanted success so appointed CL finalist Grant who promptly relegated us. Boring old Sam Allardyce got us back to PL and frustrated the hell out of fans. Four seasons and in comes popular Bilic and a 7th place followed by relegation troubles brought a safety first manager in David Moyes for a 6 month stint to avoid relegation. It was close so Sullivan returned to an ambitious signing by appointing PL & twice FL Cup winning Manuel Pellegrini. After spending big the relegation threats returned in Pellegrini's second season. So back to a known safe pair of hands in David Moyes whose record is 6th, 7th and 14th places; 3 years of European football; a semi-final and a final win with a trophy for the bare cabinet. Currently 8th place and still in Europe with all the extra revenue that brings... It's easy to see why Sullivan is currently shitting a brick. He's about to let the most successful manager he's ever had go and replace him with who?"

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 11:28
by Eerie Descent
"Potter's football flatters to deceive for me, and he comes across as a bit flakey, hearing about him talk about how he suffered when he left Chelsea, affecting his mental health whilst on £9mil a year, and yes I get the argument about that sort of stuff, but he was only a manager of a football club, if you can't handle that pressure whilst on that money, then maybe go and stack shelves for £9 an hour. Lopetegui a big no from me, Wolves seemed boring to me, and we need someone younger on the up. I've seen Van Nistelrooy mentioned, why exactly? Tuchel is another one I just don't think would be a good fit, I get that he's managed top clubs, but he seems like an excuse maker to me when things aren't going his way, which seems to happy often, blaming everything but himself publicly, and I can't stomach another one of them. We could've got Alonso, if we would have sacked Moyes when we should have in November 2022, or in the summer, but that ship has sailed. We also won't get the Lisbon manager. I don't watch Dutch football, but everything I've read about Arne Slot he seems very impressive. Has a bit of arrogance that I think you need with managing us, but not arrogant in that he'll think he's doing us a favour, and I think we get him if we want. He'd be the one I'd be most on board with. I've always want us to go for Marco Silva in the past, I like the way his teams play, I like the man as well how he comes across, one of them that takes it all on his own shoulders, and hearing soundbites from players, he's one of those that lives and breathes the job, of the Emery ilk. I reckon with decent dough to spend and a club like ours, he'd take us up a few notches. Would also be a safe pair of hands for those 'be careful what you wish for' cunts. In saying that, if it was Steiden picking, then I'd be on board with whoever he wants. I'm not bothered whether he chose Alonso or not, but he's clearly a bloke that knows European football better than anyone else at the club, and if he's identified someone and we get him, that's good enough for me."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 09:45
by Nagel
"Yeah, would be surprised if Howe keep his job at the end of the season, which could be good news for us. Newcastle have had injuries all over the team but they were doing reasonably well despite that, until the goalkeeper got injured. Both of their backups have been awful when I've seen them. We're talking Roberto levels of bad. Since Pope got injured they've won 3 league games in 12, conceding 31! Before that they'd conceded 14 in 14."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 03:43
by Manuel
"RBshorty 7:22 Thu Feb 29 Not so sure, I did hear it somewhere that Ratcliffe is in charge of all football related matters/decisions, but who knows."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 02:50
by Chairman Alf
I see that the Geordies are already questioning Howe and claiming that he can't take them to the next level. The fickleness of some fans!

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 01 Mar 2024, 00:50
by Massive Attack
"I'm open to a few potential new managers but I'm not quite feeling the Potter option. I like him and respect what he dine before Chelsea but I did feel like he ballsed that right up. Yes mitigating circumstances with regards to Chelseas new ownership but I still wasn't convinced by him even taking that in to account. I want to see him do well at another Club before deciding if he's what we're ultimately looking for. It's the De Zerbis, Howes, Fonseca, Silvas, Tuchels of the world that really interest me as our next possible manager, depending on how things pan out with availability and what not. That list ain't exhaustive either."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 29 Feb 2024, 21:32
by stubbo
"Potter's problem at Brighton was largely they played great football but couldn't score any goals, the change in fortune under De Zerbi directly attributable to the change in fortune in front of goal. Potter also couldn't get his team to score goals at Chelsea either. Whether he got them playing nice football, I'm not sure. But it seems like maybe he's good at playing nice possession football, but without output (which would not go down well here). For me he's not the answer. Someone like Arne Slot is exactly the kind of guy we should be taking a punt on...much more a Postecoglu style appointment. That Sullivan doesn't fancy Potter means it's unlikely to happen anyway. The irony he thinks Potter is a bang average manager who relies on his recruitment, but then witnesses our hopelessness without Paqueta but can't as a result see the same thing in Moyes."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 29 Feb 2024, 20:42
by Nagel
"To be fair, his successor at Brighton hasn't made Potter's achievements there look too great at all. In De Zerbi's first season they finished 6th, 3 places higher and scoring 30 more goals than the previous season and were FA cup semi-finalists as well, and this season they look like qualifying for Europe again. That's a pretty huge step up from where Potter had them, although perhaps he may well have achieved similar if he'd stayed."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 29 Feb 2024, 19:29
by RBshorty
What sounds more logical is Sullivan (Who will have the final say.) Not fancying Potter. Because he believed all the success he enjoyed at Brighton. Was down to their computer. And not Potter.!

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 29 Feb 2024, 19:22
by RBshorty
Lee. Doesn't matter how much wedge Sir Jim got. The Glazer's still have the final say. (Bit like our own Kretinsky.)

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 29 Feb 2024, 19:20
by Jasnik
"What again frustrated me about Moyes, we are 4 -1 up with 70 mins to go and he still wont try out any of the youth. Then brings Johnson on in the 94th min, what is the point."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 29 Feb 2024, 19:18
by Manuel
Oh OK. So we should scrub Potter off as a possibility based on Man Utd possibly wanting him. Sound logic :-)

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 29 Feb 2024, 19:12
by RBshorty
And I'm saying. Both ManU and Sir Jim ain't exactly great. You may agree. Or not.? But I wouldn't sweat it. Not until we make the change.

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 29 Feb 2024, 19:09
by Nagel
"Arne Slot does sound perfect for us, or at least those of us who want pretty much the opposite of what we get from Moyes' team on the field. Apparently, Slot likes high intensity, to attack and keep possession or always press when without the ball, and he likes younger players with high levels of fitness and energy. He's not that experienced but done well in his 5 seasons so far. AZ: 1st season - joint top of league with 9 games left when season cancelled due to COVID. 2nd season - undefeated in 10 games then sacked when it became known that Feyenoord had agreed for him to take over in the summer. Overall, highest points per game of any coach in the club's history. Feyenoord: 1st season - finished 3rd (2 places and 12 points better than the previous season). Beaten by Roma in Conference League final. Dutch Manager of the Year. 2nd season - finished 1st (only Feyenoord's 2nd league title this century), after having had to change half the first team who were sold off to richer clubs. Dutch Manager of the Year. 3rd season - Currently 2nd. Finished 3rd in Champs League to Atletico Madrid & Lazio, then lost on penalties to Roma in Europa League playoff."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 29 Feb 2024, 19:06
by Lee Trundle
"I'd quite happily follow the footsteps of Ratcliffe, seeing as he's worth $16.4 billion."

Re: Moyes Out

Posted: 29 Feb 2024, 19:02
by Manuel
"Shorty - Wtf you going on about? Someone mentioned Potter as a possible replacement for Moyes and I mentioned that Jim Ratcliffe is a fan of him, hence he may end up there. That was it."