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Does anyone think we will get anything? By anything, I mean any points. I'll go for 1, which would be OK with Sheffield Utd and more winnable games to follow, to hopefully keep us in the top 6.

Gotta show up against Citeh and get at least a draw if we want to win the league!

Be getting the oil out and having a tug if we got 2

Iron Duke 11:13 Sun Sep 10

Iron Duke 11:13 Sun Sep 10 Glad we agree on this

I don’t expect anything and would be happy with more than zero to be honest. The performance in both games is more important.

More than one point and I'll be absolutely delighted. Realistically though, these are probably two out of the five or so hardest fixtures for the season. Even if we come away with nothing we've still made an impressive start to the season.

I fancy us to draw v Liverpool. I can't see us getting anything v Man City but I think it'll be a close run thing.

God knows what the outcome will be, but rest assured, expect 20% with the ball, 10 players defending, counterattacks and set pieces if they happen. Yawn at 2 points as Moyesball goes on

Regardless if we lose both just have a bloody go at them especially Liverpool who are not the team of recent seasons

I would just love to see us have a right go at them both, regardless of points.

these are games we should be happy not to lose, although given our start it could be any result. We may have the element of surprise if Kudus is anything like as good as we hope hw will be. I'll go for a draw in both.

I think we’ll cause an upset against Man City.

Liverpool are eminently beatable on any given day, City not so much

Take anything we can get from these two.

Nil points as we will set up to defend and defend and lose both games.

Zero, just hoping we don’t get thrashed and give it a go.

Moyes will of course emulate wins over Man City & Liverpool like Bilić did in that last season at UP although it will be the double over both to really show he’s the true winner in PL results….

Moyes will of course emulate wins over Man City & Liverpool like Bilić did in that last season at UP although it will be the double over both to really show he’s the true winner in PL results….

It's really hard to predict anything other than a loss at our number one bogey ground Anfield. Now is a decent time to play them but seemingly by hook or by crook they manage to win against us just about every time. Man City are flying. Not trying to be pessemistic but i cannot see us getting anything out of either game. If Liverpool were a home game I'd fancy our chances quietly in that one.

I'm with Banjo on this one. Both games this time round are more winnable...OK, less guaranteed losses/drubbings... than in recent times. I think we'll only manage to win one of them though, and I'd prefer it by a country mile if it was the Liverpool one. Imagine for a few seconds though, the TV pundit meltdown if we come away from these games with 6 points... ...OK, fantasy time over, back on your heads.

My prediction is that Moyes will try like buggery to defend the 0-0 and fail, twice.

I'll predict they'll get three points each..

Every single team will lose at least a few times in any given season. With this in mind I am going for one win and one loss totalling 3 points out of a possible six. I just don't know which game we will win out of the two.

Two games where performance quality is going to have a massive say in at least the first half of the season. No points with a despondent, defensive set-up and play may see us in a relegation struggle by the end of the year. Meanwhile, no points and a positive battling performance still keeps us in contention for a top-six season. All depends on the approach - two points and two clean sheets please.

We’re already around 6 points up on where most people thought we’d be at this stage. So just see what happens. If we’re losing - go for it. If we’re winning - hold on.