West Ham United vs Spurs (Away) | 19.10.24 | Match Thread

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West Ham: 11/2
Draw: 9/2
Spurs: 1/2

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[Pub Bigot]

With what we have got I think this team would do better
Areola
Wan-Bissaka Mav Todibo Kilman Emerson
Rodriguez Alvarez
Bowen Antonio/Fullkrug Kudus

We have a good team, and I'd like to see Summerville and Soler play more, which would mean Bowen or Kudus move up front, and Paqueta dropped for Soler. 

Paqueta is a passenger, probably because he has the case against him lingering in the back of his mind. 

[SUM A DING WONG]

I can see how Lopetegui is trying to get us to play.

He’s asking us to play out from the back, have more possession.

We then try to get the ball out wide with the full backs pushed on, playing triangles to then cut the ball back from the byline into the box. 

Of course, against stronger opposition like Tottenham, we had less of the ball. 

We weren’t competing in the middle of the park , to have much possession.

Rodriguez was excellent (even though he’s not the quickest). Paqueta and Soucek, were non existent.

Having said that, while Tottenham did have a lot of possession, and a lot of corners, they weren’t really getting in behind us. We were defending well enough.

One of  our biggest problems was the distribution of Areola.

I think because of this, we put ourselves under more trouble than was necessary. 

I like Areola, but he can’t play the sweeper keeper role. You can just about get away with that with Moyes ball, not in a more possession based, who are trying to play out from the back.

For me, Antonio wasn’t too bad, 1st half - he was generally putting himself about more and helping the team out (Peter Crouch was massively singing his praises during the game). 

Problem is, he can only do it for half a game, here and there. He also doesn’t look like much of a goal threat, anymore.

All that said, I mainly enjoyed the 1st half. When we did have possession, at times, we were knocking it about and playing some attractive football. 

We needed to be faster with our passes, though, as they were being intercepted quite a lot due to them being telegraphed. I think that’s due to the lack of confidence in what we’re doing.

I missed the first 10 mins of the 2nd half, then it’s 3-1 to them cunts ( the third goal was fucking jammy, to be fair). Game over.

I read that Tottenham made the change at the start of the 2nd half and then they just blew us away. 

Lopetegui tried to make the changes, at 2-1,  but didn’t do it quick enough.

As I said at the start, I can see what we’re trying to do - we’re just not generally, executing it. 

Lack of pace in the middle, lack of confidence in what we’re trying to do, and lack of a proper striker - is killing us, at the moment( against the better teams, at least). 

If we manage to keep picking up the points against the mid to bottom teams, I think we’ll be ok. 

That should then buy us time to get to the transfer windows and hopefully, rectify the problems.

Worse case scenario,If we don’t keep on picking up points against the ‘lesser’ sides, then we’ll have to consider  looking at other options, to Lopetegui*.




*that doesn’t mean getting Moyes back, or a carbon copy of him.       

[CanningTownWA]

With what we have got I think this team would do better
Areola
Wan-Bissaka Mav Todibo Kilman Emerson
Rodriguez Alvarez
Bowen Antonio/Fullkrug Kudus

[Rossal]

Thought first 30 we looked ok, then we just crumbled. There's no backbone or leadership in the team. Bowen tries to lead by example, but is not a leader of a group. 

Rodriguez i thought was superb first 30 mins. But anyone playing alongside Soucek has a very tough task. I said this the other week and on sat it was evident again. The gaps between our midfielders is so fucking big its unbelievable. Rodriguez is deep, Soucek fucks off up front.....Paqueta is god knows where. We are shit on the ball as the midfield are so disjointed. 

The ball then goes back to the CB's or the keeper and then it gets pumped up top and lost. Then when the other team gain posession we are so out of shape that its impossible to get any kind of press as a team going 

On playing out from the back what has happened to Areola? So so bad with the ball at his feet. 7 mins in on sat and he had kicked it to them 3 times. He is better off running to the edge of the box and throwing it. Worst game i've seen him have. 

Watch the 2nd goal build up and Antonio......doesn't even jog once to press the defenders on the ball. The press leads from the front and he just walks around, its so so so bad to watch. 

We have no style of play, no tactics. Name one player better this season than last? 

The players look lost and we are a mess, sack him today please 

[Ladysmith]

I also think that we should have continued with Moyes as he knew how to get the best out of our squad.

That said, I think we were by far the better team today and we should have been 2-0 up at one point, it may have been a different outcome.

Not our day today and well done to Spurs!



 

I know this is you BG.
cunning ...but not quite cunning enough

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[Monsieur merde de cheval]

I also think that we should have continued with Moyes as he knew how to get the best out of our squad.

That said, I think we were by far the better team today and we should have been 2-0 up at one point, it may have been a different outcome.

Not our day today and well done to Spurs!


 

I know this is you BG.
cunning ...but not quite cunning enough

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

I really hope the three spurs players who fell to the ground clutching body parts and screaming, feel good about themselves today. The melee was little more than a pushing match which used to be described as 'handbags,' and their antics were the worst possible advert for the game. I've seen many fights in pubs and on the streets, where it is very rare for one of the combattants to hit the deck. That of course is when men fight. These players are not men. Ah! but they were being professional you may say in gaining an advantage. Nothing professional about it just lowly cheats. Of course they are following a Tottenham tradition with the likes of Kane, Deli Ali and their odious captain Son cheating week in week out. I am not sayig that Kudus should not have been red carded, but this whole incident leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

Dave McKay would have lifted Richarlison by the scruff of the neck, the diving prick.

The media reaction towards kudus red card is synonymous with the modern over reaction to EVERYTHING.
JULIAN PLAYED LIKE THIS EVERY WEEK
RIcharlison and the other yid cսnt were both pathetic.
Fair do's ..kudus deserved a card for kicking out at the Edam cսnt...
But it was pathetic how the yids played up from that point...
fuck em ...

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

 

This has been a problem for a long time, we don't and haven't had for a while someone who can tackle and pass the ball and get up and down the pitch.  Give me a Steve Lomas or Scott Parker over Paqueta every time.


Would Potts, Downes, Earthy or Orford be any worse?


 

 

At least Potts, Downes, Earthy and Orford would put in shifts week in, week out. Paqueta is the worst type of snidey, flaky foreign player who obviously doesn't give a shit. He is clesrly taking the piss under a weak loser of a manager.

Any manager with balls would drop him.

I agree with the sentiment...all 4 would have at least tried a leg.
NONE of them are the answer right now , but they would at least give their all and some for the shirt.
Dropping paquata indefinitely has to be done, but we have fuck all to step up.
​​​​​Soler looks unsuited to the premier league from what I've seen of him so far...one of those players that excels at nothing and will be streamrollered in the premier league

honestly, I have the strong feeling of 'it ain't happening' under this geezer..

No leaders ..spineless...

[F 129 Row66]

Now that cսnt Mike Dean want Kudus to have an exrended ban for this incident. cսnt

[Far Cough UKunt]

I really hope the three spurs players who fell to the ground clutching body parts and screaming, feel good about themselves today. The melee was little more than a pushing match which used to be described as 'handbags,' and their antics were the worst possible advert for the game. I've seen many fights in pubs and on the streets, where it is very rare for one of the combattants to hit the deck. That of course is when men fight. These players are not men. Ah! but they were being professional you may say in gaining an advantage. Nothing professional about it just lowly cheats. Of course they are following a Tottenham tradition with the likes of Kane, Deli Ali and their odious captain Son cheating week in week out. I am not sayig that Kudus should not have been red carded, but this whole incident leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

Dave McKay would have lifted Richarlison by the scruff of the neck, the diving prick.

[Iron Duke]

This sort of behaviour has become normalised by the media I’m afraid. The horse has bolted and we will never get the game back the way it was.

I’m pretty sure it was onky two players. Van der Ven got kicked when he was on the floor - no problem, he was up and pushing his hands against Kudus. Felt a few fingers brush his face - falls to the ground clutching his face. Richarlison, who had no place being there, felt the wind and fell to the ground clutching his face. Sarr, to his credit, stayed on his feet.

As much as I love Bowen, he proved himself to be no captain.

[F 129 Row66]

I really hope the three spurs players who fell to the ground clutching body parts and screaming, feel good about themselves today. The melee was little more than a pushing match which used to be described as 'handbags,' and their antics were the worst possible advert for the game. I've seen many fights in pubs and on the streets, where it is very rare for one of the combattants to hit the deck. That of course is when men fight. These players are not men. Ah! but they were being professional you may say in gaining an advantage. Nothing professional about it just lowly cheats. Of course they are following a Tottenham tradition with the likes of Kane, Deli Ali and their odious captain Son cheating week in week out. I am not sayig that Kudus should not have been red carded, but this whole incident leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

[threesixty]

 

These defeats are not just defeats they are humiliations and regular ones at that. It predates Lop to be fair to him as even Fulham have done it to us under Moyes last year. The lack of a midfield which many people are pointing out as the cause has been especially noticeable under Lop but has its roots in Rice's departure. We never adapted.

To be fair we didnt really have a proper midfield even when Rice was here.
I think under Moyes the plan was sacrifice actually controlling games with mid field possession in favour of a solid defence with counter attacking abilities on the wings and set pieces.

I dont remember us ever bossing the midfield against a decent side. We won games with the lowest possession rates in the league. All counter attack and set pieces, or some wonderful individual skill.

Sadly the midfield problem affects how well our strikers do and how well our defence does. Against Spurs we defended way too much in the 1st half. So although it looked like we were in the game, we were getting battered in reality. They had like 10 corners to our 1 in about 20 minutes! All because our midfield isnt really there. It's like for show but not functional.

I also think it's the source of Kudus' frustration as maybe he doesnt trust the midfield much so he's just running through it without passing? No midfield is definitely making any striker West Ham use fail. Only Antonio has ever worked because he's prepared to run his arse off (well he used to be) and goal scoring is sort of a secondary function for him.

The sad thing is he should have seen all this in mid season. All this crap about he;s being watching West Ham for months. How can he? He hasn't really addressed our playing style apart from asked us to play further up the pitch, but that isnt the only problem.

[Nutsin]

Leavemyarcelona,

Billy is a bit special, try and ignore the spastic.

[Leavemyarcelona]

I take it all back... this is the stupidest thing Ive heard on here... Sorry dont know where to start... you ladysmith do not have a scooby!

Why because she has a different view?

No because its obvious to even a dunce like you that everything Ladysmith said is bollocks... Moyes got the best out of the squad... Wrong based on his last 2 seasons! We were the better team today... Wrong we were humiliated by Spurs... Maybe cut him some slack on the shouldve been 2 nil up and it couldve been different... there fair enough for you?!
But Well done to Spurs! Made me sick in my mouth.... Sort of camp thing Nutstain would say...!

Oh and i suppose everything you say is correct  sit down clown

[wils]

Give me a Steve Lomas or Scott Parker over Paqueta every time.

 

 

Paqueta is clearly not at his best, but he has always had this problem of losing possession. I remember commenting on it before and some posters arguing that it comes with the package with creative flair players like him. What's changed is with this new playing style the consequences of losing possession upfield are more severe to the point that Paqueta has become such a liability he shouldn't be starting.

These defeats are not just defeats they are humiliations and regular ones at that. It predates Lop to be fair to him as even Fulham have done it to us under Moyes last year. The lack of a midfield which many people are pointing out as the cause has been especially noticeable under Lop but has its roots in Rice's departure. We never adapted.

[Hammer and Pickle]

My post-match 3-penny's worth

The Result - less said the better; we were lucky it wasn't a lot worse

The Performace - I felt this was actually good when it was clear early on what everyone was supposed to be doing in a Moyes-style low block. The constant stream of half chances and corners was being dealt with efficiently and the counters allowed Bowen, Kudus and AWB to fashion opportunities from which we went on to score. The problems started when our midfield was exposed as they hung back to close the exposed Paqueta down further up the pitch. Once running at our defense in acres of space, they were always the more likely to score unless we changed personnel. This did not happen until far too late when the game was already lost.

The Manager - He doesn't seem to realise who we were playing and what the stakes are in these games. And post-match talk about "improving mentality" confirms he's simply not present. When fans can tell you the selection is wrong for a high-press an hour before the game and they are right, you know your days are numbered in a job like this. 

Lessons Learnt - when you don't learn it the first time, you have to pay the painful price. The delay in making changes once players are actually ready to come on is comical and tragic. Anyway, the right players need to be selected for every phase of the game so we simply cannot be persisting with Antonio and Soucek. Also, Paqueta has to make way if he cannot work together with Alvarez's support of Guilherme's pace. Kudus must work on his discipline - like Paqueta, he is a marked man; winding him up will be on top of every opposition's game plan list. Areola needs to delegate distribution to Tobido or Kilman as at the moment it's a real liability.

Next Game - we'll pretty much know whether to bother as soon as the team is announced. No Kudus and I hate the way Man U will be looking forward to playing us. 

[Come On You Irons]

I can't get over how shit we are in the middle of the park, shocking recruitment there, or lack of. Even the biggest backers of Paqueta must surely admit at this point that it's over for the bloke, you might as well put a bloke in the stands in his place and he wouldn't do any worse, Soucek is only useful if he scores, and Rodriguez and Soler are not the answer, the type of players that should be at Leicester, or the like. Alvarez can be OK, but he's hardly Roy Keane, is he. Even if a new manager comes in it's still going to be a big issue.

Season looking a write of already, it's gonna be painful in the bowl.

 

This has been a problem for a long time, we don't and haven't had for a while someone who can tackle and pass the ball and get up and down the pitch.  Give me a Steve Lomas or Scott Parker over Paqueta every time.


Would Potts, Downes, Earthy or Orford be any worse?

 

 

At least Potts, Downes, Earthy and Orford would put in shifts week in, week out. Paqueta is the worst type of snidey, flaky foreign player who obviously doesn't give a shit. He is clesrly taking the piss under a weak loser of a manager.

Any manager with balls would drop him.

[Manuel]

I can't get over how shit we are in the middle of the park, shocking recruitment there, or lack of. Even the biggest backers of Paqueta must surely admit at this point that it's over for the bloke, you might as well put a bloke in the stands in his place and he wouldn't do any worse, Soucek is only useful if he scores, and Rodriguez and Soler are not the answer, the type of players that should be at Leicester, or the like. Alvarez can be OK, but he's hardly Roy Keane, is he. Even if a new manager comes in it's still going to be a big issue.

Season looking a write of already, it's gonna be painful in the bowl.

 

This has been a problem for a long time, we don't and haven't had for a while someone who can tackle and pass the ball and get up and down the pitch.  Give me a Steve Lomas or Scott Parker over Paqueta every time.


Would Potts, Downes, Earthy or Orford be any worse?
 

 

[Tomshardware]

I can't get over how shit we are in the middle of the park, shocking recruitment there, or lack of. Even the biggest backers of Paqueta must surely admit at this point that it's over for the bloke, you might as well put a bloke in the stands in his place and he wouldn't do any worse, Soucek is only useful if he scores, and Rodriguez and Soler are not the answer, the type of players that should be at Leicester, or the like. Alvarez can be OK, but he's hardly Roy Keane, is he. Even if a new manager comes in it's still going to be a big issue.

Season looking a write of already, it's gonna be painful in the bowl.

 

This has been a problem for a long time, we don't and haven't had for a while someone who can tackle and pass the ball and get up and down the pitch.  Give me a Steve Lomas or Scott Parker over Paqueta every time.

[Manuel]

Bit apathetic to the loss TBH, Fuck knows what's going on at the club, playing well then all of a sudden it all turns to custard and the players look like rabbits in the headlights.

The team was not "playing well" at all. They were extremely lucky to go in level at half time. Tottenham were by far the better team in the first half and carved out numerous opportunities.

Can't disagree, but there was maybe a 10 min spell after we scored, when Bowen was getting down the right, where I thought we might get another and be in a strong position, the crowd had started to get restless too, with last weeks collapse still fresh in the memory, but predictably we couldn't force it home and when they scored we may as well have packed up and gone home, which by the way has been a feature all season, get a setback, heads go down and that's it.

[Come On You Irons]

Bit apathetic to the loss TBH, Fuck knows what's going on at the club, playing well then all of a sudden it all turns to custard and the players look like rabbits in the headlights.

The team was not "playing well" at all. They were extremely lucky to go in level at half time. Tottenham were by far the better team in the first half and carved out numerous opportunities.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Poor old Billy is all over the place. What a desperate mess he is!

says Camp Nutsack... ah diddums did no one agree with anything you said... best pop over to the spuds forum theyll love you there as you are clearly not a West Ham fan... 

[Fauxstralian]

Perhaps ironic that Postecoglou changed the game by bringing on Sarr a big fast athletic aggressive midfielder …. exactly the sort of player we need.
So many times we were bullied off the ball & were left wide open with no protection at the back
They could have had another 2 or 3 goals
Worryingly for someone who was at Wolves Loppy looks like someone who has never seen a Premier league game & has no understanding of the physical requirements to succeed

Man U next then Forest away & Everton at home
Think everyone’s minds will be made up by then 

[,]

We were battered and rightfully so. Sadly there is, eight games into this season, no positive sign yet that jalopy  can improve our defending.

it has been said that Jalopy did his homework on us before joining but to me it looks like his dog ate it before he could hand it in. Moyes left us with a team that defended inadequately and it is  obvious that it’s the number one priority to address.