Steidten Out

[Massive Attack]

I want this costly clueless conniving cսnt gone. We have suffered persistent injuries to expensive key signings this season, as well as others who just don't cut it against Premier League opposition, or have suspect temperaments/injury records previously known and they're all his picks. He clearly doesn't do his due diligence well enough as one of the stories of the season has been us suffering injuries to key new signings..

Fullkrug £27M - Suspect Injury History 

Todibo £34M (if avoid relegation) - Suspect Injury History/Suspect attitude problems at Barcelona 

Mavropanos £19M - Just utter dogshit (and ironically probably now out injured as well due to concussion for 10 days like Fabianski)

Alvarez £35M - Nowhere near good enough for the money we spent on him looking lost and slow as arseholes against Premier League opposition 

Kudus is just about the only costly signing that's come off that's genuine quality, although even he now has suspect temperament issues when getting himself a 5 match ban for fighting an entire Spurs Team in front of everyone. So fuck knows what he's also like behind the scenes..

Just sick of the persistent injuries to key players that has derailed our season and continues to do so on tonights evidence with Fullcrock, as well as all the unsettling bollocks behind the scenes. There's no smoke without fire and I now make that not 1 but 2 Managers in quick succession that allegedly told him to stay away from the Training Ground. It makes me wonder whether he is our Club Mole all along who has persistently leaked things out to the Media from either within the Dressing Room/Snaps with managers behind another managers back that then coincidentally get leaked at just the right time? A manager who was humiliated in the media for taking at least 2 Training sessions and possibly a 3rd on the last day he eventually got sacked and the whole thing was handled terribly which again points to Steidten and his breakdown in his 2nd relationship with a manager. And he's supposed to work with them, not against them!

On the radio yesterday when discussing Steidten someone mentioned how odd they thought it was to see him down by the players tunnel/dressing room area as well as doing interviews with TNT during the Chelsea loss earlier in the season and they thought good Technical Directors aren't seen front and centre as much as this one always appears to be. He's certainly got an impressive holiday snap collection he leaks to the media as soon as he takes them. 

The longer this season has panned out the more and more I've thought something just doesn't sit right at the Club and I genuinely think he has been at the heart of a lot of our issues. I suppose that's why it's now been known his position is under review and they're already on to him, hence why Potter swerved the Steidten question possibly knowing something we don't about him. 

Or does anyone still believe he's the right man to guide our Club making such big decisions within it?

 

[southbankbornnbred]

In all seriousness, I really don't think the club will miss him one iota.

Fell out with two managers, and the chairman at times, too. Regardless of what anybody thinks of Moyes, Lopetegui and Sullivan - they're all more important to the club (in terms of the roles they occupied) than Steidten.

As Trundle has said many times, he was not the pearl diver some made him out to be - more misses than hits in the transfer market, I'm afraid. Some good choices, if we're to be fair to him. But too many poor and unsuitable choices/moves, too.

Flying Mavrapanos into London on a private jet will look a bit OTT in the cold light of day - the guy is better suited to the 25 bus to Romford.

Steidten appeared to love the limelight a little too much, for my liking. In that role, you're better off just getting your head down and working closely with the manager to deliver the players the main coach (manager) wants to improve his team. The disconnect between Steidten and two managers (both of whom were also not great) was an obvious and problematic chasm at the club.

And with Sullivan overseeing his element of it all - pulling in a third direction - it means we have wasted a shitload of money on some bang-average players eating up a big chunk of our FSR etc.

He'll have his explanations, I'm sure. As will Moyes/Lope and Sullivan. But the Steidten era will go down as a disjointed period in which his own fanfare often resonated louder than any successes he delivered.

I like the idea of Potter and Macaulay working how they did at Brighton. It "should" be more collegiate and better co-ordinated, once we can offload some the mistakes of the late-Moyes, J-Lo, Steidten period.

[stubbo]

He fell out with the 2 previous managers.

That might have something to do with him leaving.

I just can't see that. He fell out with Moyes by virtue of their juxtaposition. They simply couldn't happily coexist.

Lopetegui though seemed to fall out with everyone. Noble was apparently calling for him to be got rid in November. And then Steidten was charged with looking for someone to replace him as early as early December. They from that point again had differing objectives.

It's a lazy narrative really. Steidten had to go...he was a bit of an egotist which Sullivan would hate, he wasn't given the authority or tools to make his job work. If he was we wouldn't have Potter and we'd never have had Lopetegui. 

The reality is West Ham (Sullivan) just isn't ready to adopt a model where the Chairman is non-football focussed, and someone else runs the whole football operation.

One day maybe...but not yet.  

[Iron Duke]

I liked the way he got his business done. There was no messing about. This window we were back to low balling, phantom bids and the scattergun approach without any logic.

The problem was firstly his strategic wasn’t aligned with dithering Dave Moyes and then we hired the wrong manager who fell out with half the team. And also our lovely chairman couldn’t keep his nose out.

[Mex Martillo]

Disappointed. I liked some Steidten signs and agreed with the stats thing. Oh well the show goes on.

[threesixty]

He fell out with the 2 previous managers.

That might have something to do with him leaving.

 

 

I do think it’s more a personality clash thing rather than poor signings. 
Interesting for the club to say Potter has brought in his own head of recruitment, indicating that Tim was never a DOF and the previous managers did not report to Tim, more like the other way around if anything. 

perception….

[southbankbornnbred]

Mavrapanos arriving into London on a private jet is like being presented with some broken Hula Hoops wrapped in a Tiffany's box.

[Lee Trundle]

He fell out with the 2 previous managers.

That might have something to do with him leaving.

[North Bank]

Lee good post that, the excitement on the faces of Kudus and his agent always amused me.

Steidten was a victim of the shambolic way that Sullivan runs West Ham, he made mistakes but that's to be expected in that role as not every purchase is going to work out. 

Sullivan obviously missed playing his real life game of football manager, so Tim had to go

[Sir Alf]

Fitted up by Sullivan to deflect blame.  He was not without fault but the root of the bad summer business was the appointment of Lopeyegui by Sullivan and overuling Steidten and Noble and other directors. That shaped our transfer business with Lop wanting Kilman at 40 million, Rodruiguez and Soler. The spread of transfer picks also meant Steidten was more a scout than DOF.  

Steidten has been framed by Sullivan

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

I bet it's no coincidence that his departure gets announced the day after deadline day. Makes it look as if he's the one to blame for our dismal lack of effort in the transfer window as well as everything before that. 
 

[Lee Trundle]

Some of the highlights of his time with us:

[Manuel]

[Lee Trundle]

THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES

[Fauxstralian]

The scarf has left the building

[El Scorchio]

No one with intelligence and the courage of their convictions ( independent thinker ) can be successful under a narcissistic, egomaniac like Sullivan.

I want Potter to be here a while, build something that can be sustained but realistically see it as impossible while Sullivan controls everything.  

Yup. Sooner or later there’s going to be a difference of opinion or conflict. And there is only going to be one winner from that. I genuinely think Sullivan would rather cut his nose off to spite his face and sabotage a reasonably successful manager and his club than have them make him look bad publicly or expose his meddling in football matters etc. 

[nychammer]

No one with intelligence and the courage of their convictions ( independent thinker ) can be successful under a narcissistic, egomaniac like Sullivan.

I want Potter to be here a while, build something that can be sustained but realistically see it as impossible while Sullivan controls everything.  

Sullivan is at the root of all our problems and until he goes we are doomed to underwhelm. 

[Sir Alf]

No one with intelligence and the courage of their convictions ( independent thinker ) can be successful under a narcissistic, egomaniac like Sullivan.

I want Potter to be here a while, build something that can be sustained but realistically see it as impossible while Sullivan controls everything.  

[El Scorchio]

As to the future, it may be naive of me but I have to take some comfort from the fact that we have appointed Macaulay who, in turn, must have impressed enough to have been the only member of Potter's staff at Chelsea who wasn't thrown out with him. 

Well, he wasn't the only one. The goalkeeping coach Potter brought in from Brighton is still there. 

As for Macauley impressing, he got shuffled over from recruitment to analysis after Potter left, so it's hard to judge, especially as when he was in recruitment there were several people above him, including Winstanley his previous boss at Brighton. Only signing I've heard that he was apparently the main instigator of was that of David Fofana, a £10m+ signing who's failed to set the world alight so far, but still only 22.

When he brought him to Chelsea, Potter apparently saw his use mainly as a conduit between himself and senior management. "He is a good link between the coach and the club in terms of recruitment. In terms of the hours and depths of conversations you have to have around recruitment, it's easier to have with Kyle than with me. I'm on the pitch working with the players." I expect him to perform the same function here, basically being Potter's mouthpiece to explain to the board why he wants this or that player.

Apart from that I'm sure he's decent on the data analysis side of things, which can't be a bad thing.

I give it two windows until people start turning on him for not having signed the next Van dijk, Rodri and Haaland already. 

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

As to the future, it may be naive of me but I have to take some comfort from the fact that we have appointed Macaulay who, in turn, must have impressed enough to have been the only member of Potter's staff at Chelsea who wasn't thrown out with him. 

Well, he wasn't the only one. The goalkeeping coach Potter brought in from Brighton is still there. 

As for Macauley impressing, he got shuffled over from recruitment to analysis after Potter left, so it's hard to judge, especially as when he was in recruitment there were several people above him, including Winstanley his previous boss at Brighton. Only signing I've heard that he was apparently the main instigator of was that of David Fofana, a £10m+ signing who's failed to set the world alight so far, but still only 22.

When he brought him to Chelsea, Potter apparently saw his use mainly as a conduit between himself and senior management. "He is a good link between the coach and the club in terms of recruitment. In terms of the hours and depths of conversations you have to have around recruitment, it's easier to have with Kyle than with me. I'm on the pitch working with the players." I expect him to perform the same function here, basically being Potter's mouthpiece to explain to the board why he wants this or that player.

Apart from that I'm sure he's decent on the data analysis side of things, which can't be a bad thing.

[honky cat]

Of all the players that are supposedly his signings, the only one I have doubts over is fulkrug, prob overpaid due to age. If he'd had a full preseason and started from game one it might have been a different story. Who knows? But then the idiot jlop was around.

Alvarez, Mavro can prob be sold for close to what we paid if they don't improve under potter. Todibo is a loan anyway? 
​​Kudus will sell at a decent profit. Guilherme needs to be loaned out this month if there's still time.
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​​​​Maybe there is nothing strange or sinister with steidten, he became high profile because some of our fans put him there. Potter wants his own people around him  - McCauley, so maybe it's all just reached it's natural end.

[GBHammer63]

It’s impossible to tell whether Steidten was any good or not when he’s working under Sullivans dictatorship. Calling him out for being shit is letting Sullivan off the hook.

Im not saying he’s been good, but has certainly been made to look worse by doing as Sullivan tells him. Ultimately it’s not Steidten who was at fault for not getting the Duran deal done it was Sullivan who couldn’t even sign a player who was giving us the hammers and alienating his own club.

Mavro is a liability, but only Sullivan truly knows who was behind that deal. Guilherme was always for the future and hasn’t been getting minutes but Sullivan sanctioned it. Sullivan wanted a shit manager who players couldn’t take notice of or understand.

Whether Steidten was good or bad, he got signings done.

[onsideman]

People see these things too much in black and white. Steidten was never the hero some people made him out to be in his first year here. Nor is he the pantomime villain that the idiots and Sullivan cronies are painting him as either. The truth, as always, lies somewhere in between.

The best thing about his appointment was not him as an individual (personally I thought he was a bit underqualified and all that pearl diver shit was nonsense) but that the club seemed to finally be moving into the 21st century, away from knee jerk appointments and Sully specials and maybe looking toward long term succession planning (for players and coaching staff). Of course, he never really had much control anyway as it turned out, but surely things are only going to get worse as we've gone full blown back to the old system and that isn't something to celebrate.

I'm not suggesting he is/was a pantomime villain, just not very good, so of course I agree that he was never the hero that some made out.

As to the future, it may be naive of me but I have to take some comfort from the fact that we have appointed Macaulay who, in turn, must have impressed enough to have been the only member of Potter's staff at Chelsea who wasn't thrown out with him. 

And yes, I do realise that their roles aren't exactly the same - however, if Sullivan is signing off on the deals anyway, perhaps we are better off having someone who can identify the targets and a manager who is articulate enough to sell them the dream?

[Jean-Luc Paul Goddard]

People see these things too much in black and white. Steidten was never the hero some people made him out to be in his first year here. Nor is he the pantomime villain that the idiots and Sullivan cronies are painting him as either. The truth, as always, lies somewhere in between.

The best thing about his appointment was not him as an individual (personally I thought he was a bit underqualified and all that pearl diver shit was nonsense) but that the club seemed to finally be moving into the 21st century, away from knee jerk appointments and Sully specials and maybe looking toward long term succession planning (for players and coaching staff). Of course, he never really had much control anyway as it turned out, but surely things are only going to get worse as we've gone full blown back to the old system and that isn't something to celebrate.

[El Scorchio]

Don't come to my conclusions based on mouthpieces, it's been made clear on SSN he was told to stay away from 2 managers and I've seen what he has brought to the Club and how he's gone about spending a lot of that money badly. Can't speak for others if they hang on these talking heads every word. I much prefer the days of yesteryear when none of the attention seeking divs were heard of. More fool those that lap up everything they say. 

I’m not. That’s the whole point of what I’m saying.
Most of the Bile felt toward all three of them by any of us was propagated by Sullivan. Again ‘told to keep away from two managers’ is simplifying the situation. Obviously he was employed to basically find Moyes successor as well as new players not aligned with Moyes philosophy so Moyes would have obviously banned any person in that position. That’s nothing to do with TS as a person at all. Thanks to Sullivan TS and Lop were never going to see eye to eye and with Sullivan telling TS to find his replacement he was always going to be banned again. I don’t blame either Lop or TS for that. Again that’s a reflection on his position and what he was tasked with doing rather than him as a person. Drop anyone in that role and and they’d have been banned from the training ground by both managers. 

I don’t believe any of the three were as bad as they’ve been made out to be. All of them have something in common that Sullivan put all of them in situations where it was almost impossible to do their jobs to the best of their ability without interference or a culture clash between them. I reckon Sullivan RELISHED that for some fucking twisted reason. All of them will do better in their next roles.

[Massive Attack]

Don't come to my conclusions based on mouthpieces, it's been made clear on SSN he was told to stay away from 2 managers and I've seen what he has brought to the Club and how he's gone about spending a lot of that money badly. Can't speak for others if they hang on these talking heads every word. I much prefer the days of yesteryear when none of the attention seeking divs were heard of. More fool those that lap up everything they say.