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goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 22:21

 

 

 

Yes and if you read through it those are not actual costs they are predictions based on low skilled workers earning half the uk average.

However, migrants earning the average UK wage actually generate a bigger surplus than people born here, mainly because they have not incurred costs for education or healthcare in childhood. 

Completely ignoring the fact that their dependents will incur cost of education & healthcare before the wage earners have contributed anything.

Low skilled migrants are net consumers of tax resources. That’s a fact. The numbers have grown massively, that’s also a fact.

 

 

 

Yes and if you read through it those are not actual costs they are predictions based on low skilled workers earning half the uk average.

However, migrants earning the average UK wage actually generate a bigger surplus than people born here, mainly because they have not incurred costs for education or healthcare in 

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 22:03

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 21:56

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 21:17

Firstly, mega lolz @ the last paragraph. Did you actually read it before posting?

secondly, more recent data from the OBR paints a different story which reflects the wave of low skilled migrants who are bringing in multiple dependents. For every £1 they contribute they take out £1.86.

“Post Brexit the cost of the public services and welfare they consume, representing a net fiscal cost of £8,200 for every UK household”

 

Ha ha ... Yes I thought that might wind you up!!!!

Hmmm Is that really from the OBR I googled it and found that statement in the CPS report which is in no way impartial its the Tory think tank and probably not based on any facts I also found it in a report from the Centre for Migration Control a right wing think tank whose name sums them up.

Id say it was scare mongering and Ill stick to the stuff I posted thanks! But nice try!

Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/0 ... nerations/

The Times

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/ar ... -252gxprv6

both are quite clear that the U.K. since 2020 has imported largely low skilled migrants and their dependents.

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 21:56

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 21:17

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 21:06

And where can you see the cost of immigration in the tax burden brain of Britain?

Answer : you cant!

And for your information migrants tend to be of working age and are net contributors to the economy!

With your tactical switch from asylum seekers to general immigration you have shot your argument square in the face. Well done you!

Read and weep.. oh but I suspect you’ll change back to blaming asylum seekers for increased tax again... carry on!

3. Statistics Showing the Impact of Immigrants on the UK Economy and Society

 

The economic and societal impacts of immigration in the UK are significant.

 

According to the Office for National Statistics, migrants contribute approximately £83 billion to the UK’s economic output annually.

 

Research also shows that migrant workers play a crucial role in sectors like healthcare, STEM industries, and finance. For instance, as of 2020, 13.8% of the UK’s healthcare workforce were non-British nationals.

 

Foreign-born nationals are also disproportionately likely to start businesses in the UK. A report by the Migration Policy Institute noted that migrants in the UK are about 7% more likely to start businesses than UK-born individuals.

 

Finally, cultural festivals, culinary diversity, and artistic contributions by migrants have substantially enriched British cultural life, promoting greater understanding and cohesion among different communities.

Firstly, mega lolz @ the last paragraph. Did you actually read it before posting?

secondly, more recent data from the OBR paints a different story which reflects the wave of low skilled migrants who are bringing in multiple dependents. For every £1 they contribute they take out £1.86.

“Post Brexit the cost of the public services and welfare they consume, representing a net fiscal cost of £8,200 for every UK household”

 

Ha ha ... Yes I thought that might wind you up!!!!

Hmmm Is that really from the OBR I googled it and found that statement in the CPS report which is in no way impartial its the Tory think tank and probably not based on any facts I also found it in a report from the Centre for Migration Control a right wing think tank whose name sums them up.

Id say it was scare mongering and Ill stick to the stuff I posted thanks! But nice try!

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 21:17

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 21:06

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 20:44

Yeh you’re so fine that you’ve spent the last day trying to prove how fine you are, and that your tax bill hasn’t gone up since 2000 (it has).

Where did I associate population growth with illegal immigration? Nowhere.
I’ve linked it very clearly to immigration though, because that’s exactly what has happened. And guess what? The tax burden has gone up alongside it.

I’ve not compared to the US or run the country down in any way. I’ve given you facts proving the rise in tax burden linked to population growth, which you chose to ignore. 

And where can you see the cost of immigration in the tax burden brain of Britain?

Answer : you cant!

And for your information migrants tend to be of working age and are net contributors to the economy!

With your tactical switch from asylum seekers to general immigration you have shot your argument square in the face. Well done you!

Read and weep.. oh but I suspect you’ll change back to blaming asylum seekers for increased tax again... carry on!

3. Statistics Showing the Impact of Immigrants on the UK Economy and Society

 

The economic and societal impacts of immigration in the UK are significant.

 

According to the Office for National Statistics, migrants contribute approximately £83 billion to the UK’s economic output annually.

 

Research also shows that migrant workers play a crucial role in sectors like healthcare, STEM industries, and finance. For instance, as of 2020, 13.8% of the UK’s healthcare workforce were non-British nationals.

 

Foreign-born nationals are also disproportionately likely to start businesses in the UK. A report by the Migration Policy Institute noted that migrants in the UK are about 7% more likely to start businesses than UK-born individuals.

 

Finally, cultural festivals, culinary diversity, and artistic contributions by migrants have substantially enriched British cultural life, promoting greater understanding and cohesion among different communities.

Firstly, mega lolz @ the last paragraph. Did you actually read it before posting?

secondly, more recent data from the OBR paints a different story which reflects the wave of low skilled migrants who are bringing in multiple dependents. For every £1 they contribute they take out £1.86.

“Post Brexit the cost of the public services and welfare they consume, representing a net fiscal cost of £8,200 for every UK household”

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 21:06

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 20:44

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 20:27

 

No you have bashed on about asylum seekers just as much as I have. Making out their rising numbers are costing me in higher taxes which they are not and you have consistently failed to prove that they ard a direct cause. Bonzo brought them up in response to me glibly saying to Nutsack that the UK is fine. I was comparing it to the shitshow that is the US right now.

You seem to think population growth is a bad thing and costs the country more in tax per capita. But thats because you associate it with undocumented immigrants somehow sitting on the dole but as I aleady told you the vast majority of immigration is made up of workers with visas and students. Who are both paying taxes and contributing to this country.

You all get your knickers in a twist about nothing. Why are you all so bothered about something Im not bothered about! Get on with your lives and stop worrying about me I'm fine If its so shit in the UK fuck off to the states like noncey nutsack!

Its people like you that keep running this country down giving a voice to the likes of Trumps new lapdog Farage! We'll end up like Germany and France but I guess thats what you want a far right government to expel all the immigrants.

Yeh you’re so fine that you’ve spent the last day trying to prove how fine you are, and that your tax bill hasn’t gone up since 2000 (it has).

Where did I associate population growth with illegal immigration? Nowhere.
I’ve linked it very clearly to immigration though, because that’s exactly what has happened. And guess what? The tax burden has gone up alongside it.

I’ve not compared to the US or run the country down in any way. I’ve given you facts proving the rise in tax burden linked to population growth, which you chose to ignore. 

And where can you see the cost of immigration in the tax burden brain of Britain?

Answer : you cant!

And for your information migrants tend to be of working age and are net contributors to the economy!

With your tactical switch from asylum seekers to general immigration you have shot your argument square in the face. Well done you!

Read and weep.. oh but I suspect you’ll change back to blaming asylum seekers for increased tax again... carry on!

3. Statistics Showing the Impact of Immigrants on the UK Economy and Society

 

The economic and societal impacts of immigration in the UK are significant.

 

According to the Office for National Statistics, migrants contribute approximately £83 billion to the UK’s economic output annually.

 

Research also shows that migrant workers play a crucial role in sectors like healthcare, STEM industries, and finance. For instance, as of 2020, 13.8% of the UK’s healthcare workforce were non-British nationals.

 

Foreign-born nationals are also disproportionately likely to start businesses in the UK. A report by the Migration Policy Institute noted that migrants in the UK are about 7% more likely to start businesses than UK-born individuals.

 

Finally, cultural festivals, culinary diversity, and artistic contributions by migrants have substantially enriched British cultural life, promoting greater understanding and cohesion among different communities.

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 20:44

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 20:27

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 17:29

I’ve referenced population growth about ten times to you billy son - it’s part of immigration which you said has no impact on your life. 
tell me how the population is growing, because it certainly isn’t through the birth rate.

You’re desperate to focus solely on asylum seekers in some last ditch attempt for a credible argument.

 

No you have bashed on about asylum seekers just as much as I have. Making out their rising numbers are costing me in higher taxes which they are not and you have consistently failed to prove that they ard a direct cause. Bonzo brought them up in response to me glibly saying to Nutsack that the UK is fine. I was comparing it to the shitshow that is the US right now.

You seem to think population growth is a bad thing and costs the country more in tax per capita. But thats because you associate it with undocumented immigrants somehow sitting on the dole but as I aleady told you the vast majority of immigration is made up of workers with visas and students. Who are both paying taxes and contributing to this country.

You all get your knickers in a twist about nothing. Why are you all so bothered about something Im not bothered about! Get on with your lives and stop worrying about me I'm fine If its so shit in the UK fuck off to the states like noncey nutsack!

Its people like you that keep running this country down giving a voice to the likes of Trumps new lapdog Farage! We'll end up like Germany and France but I guess thats what you want a far right government to expel all the immigrants.

Yeh you’re so fine that you’ve spent the last day trying to prove how fine you are, and that your tax bill hasn’t gone up since 2000 (it has).

Where did I associate population growth with illegal immigration? Nowhere.
I’ve linked it very clearly to immigration though, because that’s exactly what has happened. And guess what? The tax burden has gone up alongside it.

I’ve not compared to the US or run the country down in any way. I’ve given you facts proving the rise in tax burden linked to population growth, which you chose to ignore. 

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 20:27

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 17:29

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 17:09

Oh so now its not about asylum seekers its population growth in general that causes increased taxes. So why doesnt taxation rise every year again because the population rises every year but not just because of asylum seekers.

Public services are crap Ill grant you, but really are they crap because of asylum seekers?! 

I think you just have a problem with asylum seekers lets face it!

I’ve referenced population growth about ten times to you billy son - it’s part of immigration which you said has no impact on your life. 
tell me how the population is growing, because it certainly isn’t through the birth rate.

You’re desperate to focus solely on asylum seekers in some last ditch attempt for a credible argument.

 

No you have bashed on about asylum seekers just as much as I have. Making out their rising numbers are costing me in higher taxes which they are not and you have consistently failed to prove that they ard a direct cause. Bonzo brought them up in response to me glibly saying to Nutsack that the UK is fine. I was comparing it to the shitshow that is the US right now.

You seem to think population growth is a bad thing and costs the country more in tax per capita. But thats because you associate it with undocumented immigrants somehow sitting on the dole but as I aleady told you the vast majority of immigration is made up of workers with visas and students. Who are both paying taxes and contributing to this country.

You all get your knickers in a twist about nothing. Why are you all so bothered about something Im not bothered about! Get on with your lives and stop worrying about me I'm fine If its so shit in the UK fuck off to the states like noncey nutsack!

Its people like you that keep running this country down giving a voice to the likes of Trumps new lapdog Farage! We'll end up like Germany and France but I guess thats what you want a far right government to expel all the immigrants.

wils wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 20:07

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 17:09

I think you just have a problem with asylum seekers lets face it!

What's wrong with having a problem with asylum seekers? I have a huge problem with them whether they increase the tax burden or increase crime or not (both of which they manifestly do!) 

I want the overwhelmingly majority of people living in the country to be culturally invested in it. While we can be accepting and welcoming to outsiders, if we want to be a nation and a people we need to be bound together. We need a sense of shared heritage and a cultural language which defines who we are and who we are not. We need the things that define us as a group to be sharply distinct so we can see that we belong to something, as a sense of belonging is something that every human craves. 

Our asylum policy is just an open door, the consequence of which is a substantial weakening those ties that create unity and cohesion. There may well be some genuine asylum seekers but most are cynically abusing the good intention, aided by radical leftist NGOs. If you think generous asylum policies are no threat and only enrich their western host countries here are some statistics from Germany:

Non-Germans are ‘six times more likely to be the assailant than Germans.
In 2023, foreigners committed 41 percent of all violent crimes in Germany.
About two-thirds of suspects in gang crimes are non-German.
Since 2019, asylum seekers, mostly from Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq, have sexually assaulted more than 52,000 females.
In 2023, Germany saw 761 group rapes. Half the suspects were foreign nationals; others were of immigrant parentage.
In the state of Nordrhein Westfalen, almost three-quarters of group rapists are non-German or of immigrant parentage.’

So yes, I have a problem with asylum seekers. A big problem. Even if there was economic benefit - which there isn't!

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 17:29

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 17:09

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 14:47

I listed examples of the taxes that have gone up alongside population growth. Unless you wanna claim the two aren’t related?

your reference point is a NI sweetener you’ve had for 6 months, which has now been thrown over to employers and you’ll pay for eventually through retail prices.

we’ve not even started on the impact to public services.

Oh so now its not about asylum seekers its population growth in general that causes increased taxes. So why doesnt taxation rise every year again because the population rises every year but not just because of asylum seekers.

Public services are crap Ill grant you, but really are they crap because of asylum seekers?! 

I think you just have a problem with asylum seekers lets face it!

I’ve referenced population growth about ten times to you billy son - it’s part of immigration which you said has no impact on your life. 
tell me how the population is growing, because it certainly isn’t through the birth rate.

You’re desperate to focus solely on asylum seekers in some last ditch attempt for a credible argument.

No you have bashed on about asylum seekers just as much as I have. Making out their rising numbers are costing me in higher taxes which they are not and you have consistently failed to prove that they ard a direct cause. Bonzo brought them up in response to me glibly saying to Nutsack that the UK is fine. I was comparing it to the shitshow that is the US right now.

You seem to think population growth is a bad thing and costs the country more in tax per capita. But thats because you associate it with undocumented immigrants somehow sitting on the dole but as I aleady told you the vast majority of immigration is made up of workers with visas and students. Who are both paying taxes and contributing to this country.

You all get your knickers in a twist about nothing. Why are you all so bothered about something Im not bothered about! Get on with your lives and stop worrying about me I'm fine If its so shit in the UK fuck off to the states like noncey nutsack!

Its people like you that keep running this country down giving a voice to the likes of Trumps new lapdog Farage! We'll end up like Germany and France but I guess thats what you want a far right government to expel all the immigrants.

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 17:09

I think you just have a problem with asylum seekers lets face it!

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 19:12

MaryMillingtonsGhost wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 19:09

only1billybonds wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 18:28 Nutsin.

I'm not sure Pickle would know who Billy Jennings is.

 

Im not sure Nutsack knows where Poland is!

MaryMillingtonsGhost wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 19:09

only1billybonds wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 18:28 Nutsin.

I'm not sure Pickle would know who Billy Jennings is.

 

only1billybonds wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 18:28 Nutsin.

I'm not sure Pickle would know who Billy Jennings is.

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 17:29

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 17:09

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 14:47

I listed examples of the taxes that have gone up alongside population growth. Unless you wanna claim the two aren’t related?

your reference point is a NI sweetener you’ve had for 6 months, which has now been thrown over to employers and you’ll pay for eventually through retail prices.

we’ve not even started on the impact to public services.

Oh so now its not about asylum seekers its population growth in general that causes increased taxes. So why doesnt taxation rise every year again because the population rises every year but not just because of asylum seekers.

Public services are crap Ill grant you, but really are they crap because of asylum seekers?! 

I think you just have a problem with asylum seekers lets face it!

I’ve referenced population growth about ten times to you billy son - it’s part of immigration which you said has no impact on your life. 
tell me how the population is growing, because it certainly isn’t through the birth rate.

You’re desperate to focus solely on asylum seekers in some last ditch attempt for a credible argument.

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 17:09

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 14:47

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 14:10

Nope. I am not affected on a daily basis by asylum numbers rising. If I were my tax would have to go up each year at least but it doesnt. I think you are overthinking this. Its really simple. 

If year on year Im not taxed more how can I feel like I have been. Its about perception. I personally do not feel like I am taxed more directly due to rising asylum seeker numbers especially when one of the taxes falls significantly. Just like I dont feel like Im taxed more because of the support we have given to Ukraine which is far greater. Well did you feel like you were taxed more last year and do you blame asylum seekers or the invasion of Ukraine by Putin?

And in a year when my tax does go up. I personally do not jump to the conclusion that it’sdue to aslyum seeker numbers rising, especially as the cost of asylum seekers is small when compared to defence or education or the NHS.

I listed examples of the taxes that have gone up alongside population growth. Unless you wanna claim the two aren’t related?

your reference point is a NI sweetener you’ve had for 6 months, which has now been thrown over to employers and you’ll pay for eventually through retail prices.

we’ve not even started on the impact to public services.

Oh so now its not about asylum seekers its population growth in general that causes increased taxes. So why doesnt taxation rise every year again because the population rises every year but not just because of asylum seekers.

Public services are crap Ill grant you, but really are they crap because of asylum seekers?! 

I think you just have a problem with asylum seekers lets face it!

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 14:47

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 14:10

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 13:25

It can be identified as an exponential growth in cost over the exact timeline that the population has grown.
As pointed out to you, you don’t get an itemised tax contribution bill - but it only takes a small amount of common sense to see the two are intrinsically linked.

your original post stated that “I am not affected in a daily basis by immigration number”. Which you’ve shown yourself to be completely false.

Nope. I am not affected on a daily basis by asylum numbers rising. If I were my tax would have to go up each year at least but it doesnt. I think you are overthinking this. Its really simple. 

If year on year Im not taxed more how can I feel like I have been. Its about perception. I personally do not feel like I am taxed more directly due to rising asylum seeker numbers especially when one of the taxes falls significantly. Just like I dont feel like Im taxed more because of the support we have given to Ukraine which is far greater. Well did you feel like you were taxed more last year and do you blame asylum seekers or the invasion of Ukraine by Putin?

And in a year when my tax does go up. I personally do not jump to the conclusion that it’sdue to aslyum seeker numbers rising, especially as the cost of asylum seekers is small when compared to defence or education or the NHS.

I listed examples of the taxes that have gone up alongside population growth. Unless you wanna claim the two aren’t related?

your reference point is a NI sweetener you’ve had for 6 months, which has now been thrown over to employers and you’ll pay for eventually through retail prices.

we’ve not even started on the impact to public services.

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 14:10

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 13:25

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 13:12

And you can confidently attribute those rises to the increase in asylum seekers can you?

It can be identified as an exponential growth in cost over the exact timeline that the population has grown.
As pointed out to you, you don’t get an itemised tax contribution bill - but it only takes a small amount of common sense to see the two are intrinsically linked.

your original post stated that “I am not affected in a daily basis by immigration number”. Which you’ve shown yourself to be completely false.

Nope. I am not affected on a daily basis by asylum numbers rising. If I were my tax would have to go up each year at least but it doesnt. I think you are overthinking this. Its really simple. 

If year on year Im not taxed more how can I feel like I have been. Its about perception. I personally do not feel like I am taxed more directly due to rising asylum seeker numbers especially when one of the taxes falls significantly. Just like I dont feel like Im taxed more because of the support we have given to Ukraine which is far greater. Well did you feel like you were taxed more last year and do you blame asylum seekers or the invasion of Ukraine by Putin?

And in a year when my tax does go up. I personally do not jump to the conclusion that it’sdue to aslyum seeker numbers rising, especially as the cost of asylum seekers is small when compared to defence or education or the NHS.

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 14:10 BillyJenningsBoots

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 13:25

BillyJenningsBoots wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 13:12

goose wrote: ↑24 Feb 2025, 12:56

of course the tax burden is a burden for the general public, otherwise where do you think it’s coming from?

Why 5 years? The population has grown by 7m since 2000.

in that time my tax rate has increased (2010), my council tax has gone up massively, dividends tax has been introduced, capital gains went up, the main rate of NI contribution has been higher right up until April 2024.

that’s without talking about freezing the threshold for tax rates while wages have increased.

And you can confidently attribute those rises to the increase in asylum seekers can you?

It can be identified as an exponential growth in cost over the exact timeline that the population has grown.
As pointed out to you, you don’t get an itemised tax contribution bill - but it only takes a small amount of common sense to see the two are intrinsically linked.

your original post stated that “I am not affected in a daily basis by immigration number”. Which you’ve shown yourself to be completely false.