Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Ironically, Tuchel is probably best suited to going to Man Utd if they decide to move on from ten Hag. But he would need time, which you don't generally get at that deluded place. Besides, I'm never in the business of assisting Man Utd, so they can appoint Avram Grant - and his pint-peeing wife - as far as I'm concerned!"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Willtell - I'm not just having a pop at you: others, too. Everybody has their own opinion about the managers and players they want - that's football. And I won't knock any West Ham fans, personally, for what they say or want because we've all had enough shite thrown at us down the years (often by the club or people attached to the club). We're all West Ham and we've all suffered enough! I just think people generally begin to stretch credulity when they warn against massively upgrading (which is what it would be) Tuchel for Moyes. More realistically, however, Tuchel is unlikely to come here. He will most likely get an offer from a Champions League club after the management merry-go-round initiated by Klopp and him departing."

[Sir Alf]

"David L 4:10 Fri Feb 23 You may be onto something there. If you consider his tactics, team selections, results and player motivation it would appear it was a health regime both he and his players followed because they all looked like theyd been on the piss during matches i watched"

[Willtell]

"LJC "" So you only want a manager that have managed at clubs worse than us? How strange""ù ""î""î""î""î""î""î""î Well that's your interpretation based on being a smart arse but not what I said at all."

[LJC]

Isn't he all about possession? Which is a major difference to Moyes.

[David L]

"Talking of managers, did I read once that Avram Grant used to drink his wife's urine?"

[Iron Duke]

"I'm basing my opinion mainly from his time at Chelsea. On the plus side, he would be a massive upgrade."

[Lee Trundle]

"I wasn't too aware that he played boring football. So I googled it, and it's GABBY Agbonlahor who's said that. I'll keep an open mind on that. It did bring up that he's got the record for points per game in Ligue 1, and was defensively sound (the complete opposite of us under Moyes)."

[Iron Duke]

"I find it amazing that people are crying Moyes Out because of his boring, negative football, and want to replace him with Thomas Tuchel, who plays boring, negative football despite having unlimited funds at the biggest clubs in Europe."

[Pickle Rick]

"Fauxstralian 2:58 Fri Feb 23 They'll go for Tuchel in that situation, and I doubt he'll turn the job down."

[LJC]

"Willtell 2:18 Fri Feb 23 Re: Moyes Out ""My point is that Tuchel is not the right type of manager as we need someone on the way up rather than the way down. It shows how deluded some have become when they think that after Paris St Germain, Chelsea and Bayern Munich, WHU is not on the way down...""ù So you only want a manager that have managed at clubs worse than us? How strange."

[Fauxstralian]

Not heard anyone but Alonso mentioned for the Liverpool job and their fans having a good old wank over him. Would love it if he decided that Bayern was right for him right now ... another of his former clubs of course ... or even that he needs longer at Leverkusen and the Scousers are left PINING

[Lee Trundle]

"southbankbornnbred 1:05 Fri Feb 23 ""...you know it has reached peak levels of delusion when some of our fans start turning their noses up at Thomas Tuchel!"" I said pretty much exactly the same thing a few days ago when he was first linked to us. It's nuts."

[Willtell]

"southbankbornnbred 1:05 I'm sorry that you interpreted my post as ""turning my nose up at Thomas Tuchel"". I'd prefer most managers if it gets rid of Moyes including Tuchel. I still think you're wrong to back Tuchel for the WH job though. My point is that Tuchel is not the right type of manager as we need someone on the way up rather than the way down. It shows how deluded some have become when they think that after Paris St Germain, Chelsea and Bayern Munich, WHU is not on the way down... The next WH manager has to be someone that can build a whole new team with Steidten's help. That means anyone used to walking into a squad of top players and just doing the fine tuning is not what is likely to work at what is almost certainly going to be a mid-table West Ham come summer.."

[Massive Attack]

"So when he was suggesting the fans should stick with Moyes I'm thinking well you didn't! Suspect he is careful with his words because he is still friends with Moyes but clearly he didn't like Moyes approach as well as the fans. Indeed, Zico. That's how I read in to it an all, he's being very diplomatic and respectful to Moyes his old mate, so think you've got to read between the lines a bit there. Remember listening to a really good interview with one of the West Ham nerds in the summer online somewhere. Similar line about basically don't agree with approach, so did the honourable thing and fucked off before it soured. If only Moyes followed his lead..."

[goose]

it's going to be a very busy summer for managers moving. Munich job Liverpool job Barcelona job Likely the Leverkusen job i'd be shock if Juve don't make a change Possible chlesea/man united Which is why i think it would make sense to move now. If there is no new contract for Moyes then be proactive for a change.

[Takashi Miike]

Thomas the Tank Engine would be an improvement on the jock twat

[zico]

"Watched the No Tippy Tappy Football podcast on You Tube guesting Mark Warburton last night. Didn't really know much about him but an interesting life he has led, working in the city before entering football. Was quite enjoying it until he started on the old ""be careful what you wish for"" regarding Moyes, which was a bit contradictory considering he is quite clear on why he left, which is that he and Moyes are total opposites on their philosophy, Warburton favours an attacking approach and Moyes, well obviously defensive. So when he was suggesting the fans should stick with Moyes I'm thinking well you didn't! Suspect he is careful with his words because he is still friends with Moyes but clearly he didn't like Moyes approach as well as the fans. I might be wrong but there was certainly a suggestion that Moyes didn't buy/want certain players like Paqueta and Kudus because they don't fit in with his philosophy. Was surprised that even Tim Sherwood seemed to have sympathy with many fans view when he suggested the likes of Paqueta are typical West Ham players but their strengths are not being played to. There was a strong vibe between both Sherwood and Warburton that Moyes may walk at the end of the season. Tuchel was mentioned as a possible replacement and Gary O'Neill was also a suggestion."

[southbankbornnbred]

"While I agree with the broad theme of this thread, you know it has reached peak levels of delusion when some of our fans start turning their noses up at Thomas Tuchel! He's one of the best coaches in world football. Who says so? Guardiola, Klopp and other unquestionably top-level coaches. He has failed to fully ignite Bayern because that side gradually got worse together after too many years in which winning the Bundesliga became too easy and key players got old, moved on or retired. Any problems in Munich are a little more deep-rooted than just a change of manager. And, all that considered, he has achieved an average level of points per game higher than the previous two seasons - when they won the title. It's just that Alonso's side have caught fire and are winning relentlessly right now. Tuchel has also won a lot more than some would like you to think, admittedly by managing big clubs with big budgets - and his timing has been fortunate. Chelsea is a basket case under Boehly, as everybody can see. They should never have offed him. But -stripping away all the nonsense - when Klopp and Pep rate you highly, and are wary of your coaching ability, then you're doing something right. With all due respect, they don't feel that way about the likes of Moyes, Potter or others. I'd bite your arm off for Tuchel at West Ham. Most rational football fans would. But he's probably going to a Champions League side in May. There's even talk in Germany that he might take over at Leverkusen if Alonso quits for Bayern, Liverpool or Madrid."

[Massive Attack]

"Pellegrini wasn't the wrong choice, he just wasn't afforded more than 18 months to sort it all out. As for Tuchel on the way down, he's only 50! Good to hear regarding, Johnson. Should have sorted hus contract out long ago, never agreed with getting rid of such a handy versatile player."

[Lee Trundle]

"I'd keep Johnson. Because of the total mismanagement of the squad, we're going to have hardly any homegrown players in the squad next season. He's a useful utility player, just to have in and around the squad as well."

[LJC]

I've just read that Tim wants to keep Johnson.

[Willtell]

"Thomas Tuchel might seem a good choice but not for me. He's used to managing at the very top and we need someone on the way up not the way down. Pellegrini and Avram Grant showed us the wrong way to pick managers surely? Think of all the 3 cup finals Tuchel lost at Chelsea. And he doesn't actually win much although his reputation has been built on winning CL a few years ago. He currently seems to be missing out again at Bayern Munich who won the German league the previous 11 seasons. He isn't a magician and misses out a lot but more importantly, we need a manager with the patience to build an entirely new team and managing a team of top players is an entirely different skill set.. I think we need to rely on Tim Steidten to find a manager on the way up that he can work with to build a team from several astute signings and the best of our youth teams."

[aldgate]

If we keep moyes he'll be all over the clear-out at Man Utd and fill our squad with their dead wood.That coupled with Sullivan and Silkman's chuckle brothers transfer double act would be a disaster

[Russ of the BML]

"Sir Alf 12:50 Fri Feb 23 Good post. Sullivan's intentions. Who know's. He and Gold (RIP) probably thought when taking over that they could come in, drive through the move, and with initial investment, make us a stable PL club that ticked along allowing them to make money using a balance of investment and profit. I think what they under-estimated was the supporters and our expectations after the move to the LS. They sold us the dream through their puppet Brady and we held them to it. I think they thought we would be content with mid-table to euro qualifying positions and a few good cup runs. But expectation has made their investment / profit plan more difficult to make money. This led to the high interest loan issue which created a rift that they never really recovered from. I agree with all your other points. Moyes does need to go. But Sullivan won't jump because he doesn't value Euro qualification over PL status. We are safe. But next season there will be no Euro football. Sullivan is ok with this as it relaxes his transfer expectations. Steidten's brother coming in may be Sullivan's polite way of saying to Moyes that he is now empowering the German. For some reason Sullivan has a soft spot for Moyes and doesn't appear to be able to act robustly against him. This ties in with Sullivan alluding to it being Gold that sacked Moyes first time around and not him. Unfortunately you are right with the investment. Under Moyes and Sulli we look like someone who owns a Ferrari but has driven it into the ground and not had it serviced or MOT'd. It looks lovely on the front drive but underneath the bonnet there is a shit load going wrong. Moyes and Sullivan clearly do not plan ahead and squad management is probably their worst issue. Everything is done too late and in a rush. There's no specific style that we recruit for and we seem to buy players if they are available rather than if they are needed. This lack of long term planning, inability to complete transfers efficiently and mis-direction of investment has now come home to roost, and as you say, with a squad like Swiss cheese. I am afraid that our only way to undergo the squad development from this point is to sell another star. Paqueta will go in the summer. Like Rice before him. The squad mis-management has led to us still being a selling club rather than being able to build teams around these players. And, once again, rather than progression, we see ANOTHER missed opportunity."